Questions & Mysteries So who will be Elbaph's villain?

Jailer

Jailer

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We still do not have a clear idea on who Elbaph's main villain will be. Loki's chances are dropping eith passing chapters, with him taking months to recover even if he recovers partially we aren't going to get a nerfed main villain.

And if he recovers fully by some stupid magic mink medicine Chopper brought, the plot would become retarded, why would you recover fully a guy only to be antsgonistic and a danger to everyone shortly after anyway, Luffy may be dumb but this would make him retarded in a different way.

We have the holy knights, even if they have awakening (from the looks of it) their aura doesn't give "main villain" energy without Shamrock, and now he isn't even here. Killingham and Sommers give off Zoro and Sanji opponents type of aura or some shit, but even then 3 don't feel enough tho Killingham's dream army could serve as the fighting force for the HK to keep others occupied.

Even then it needs more ompf for a main villain, especially if Loki partially recovers he should be more than enough to be trouble for those guys given his hype displayed.

Will Warcury or Garling descent on Elbaph with some other aid to become Elbaph's threat, so Luffy can develop a haki skill to bypass their immortality like Joyboy, and in Warcury's case a defense that goes beyond Kaido even?

Who do you think will be this arc's villain and why?

So far Elbaph's side is stacked:


Straw Hats
Elbaph Giants
Loki (if he isn't a villain, even a partially recovered Loki should be big trouble with the aid of the above)
Gaban
Kuma (if he's able to function), Bonney

Together as a force the guys above are stacked they managed to escape the 5 elders and marine blockade all in tact.

World Gov team:
Killingham
Sommez
Gunko
Killingham's dream monsters
Children hostage situation possibly (to take out Gaban and maybe some giants)
Loki (if he's a villain, but given the reasons above it would be beyond dumb to be a villain)

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Dragon777

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As far as I am concerned, Loki is clearly the villain of the saga.

I'll try to make a global reasoning.



1) The first element is contextual: the character's "roots"

Loki is the prince of Erbaf, born in Erbaf, who has an history entirely tied to the island where we are. This connects him with all the other previous enemies of sagas set in "kingdoms": Alabasta, Skypea, DR, Wano. All the enemies had been there for a long time, they were the royals/powerful of the place and had ousted or were trying to oust the legitimate sovereigns.

This applies perfectly to Loki.

The Knights, on the contrary, have no real roots in Erbaf. They would be enemies of pure passage who would be there without any real connection with the saga.

Not to mention that the Government was the enemy of the last saga, EH, and so having it again here would be a repetition.

2) The "Nika" clash

Loki has eaten a legendary fruit and believes he is the new Nika; this puts him in direct opposition to Luffy. Above all, we discovered that there are two versions of Nika: one destroyer and the other liberator:


Coincidentally, this distinction perfectly reflects the Loki-Luffy dichotomy:

- Loki, who wants to destroy the world:


- Luffy, who wants to be free:



3) Loki is clearly portrayed as a villain/not positive character

He surely has some mitigating circumstances and is not bad to the core like the bidimensional Kaido or the CDs, but still, he is clearly not a positive character.

- has a past that speaks for itself, between provoked fires and bullying freely:


- there is the little detail that, you know, wants to destroy the world.



4) has the strength to be the enemy of the saga



- legendary fruit;

- the entire Yggdrasil trembles despite him being chained with the seastone;

- Luffy clearly perceives his strength;

- it took all the giants of Erbaf to stop him and, in ways yet to be understood, Shanks;

- Ragnir, even in that extreme situation, showed a flabbergasting power.

Etc.

Much more than anyone else could boast to date.

5) Loki's power, the most dangerous for Erbaf

We have recently learned that Erbaf suffers from a critical weakness: lightning, which in turn brings fire; obviously deadly for Adam.



We know that Loki, in what is clearly a reference to Thor/Mjolnir, possesses that very power:



Not only that, but Loki is absolutely aware of this, since he reiterates it himself:



As you can seen, not exactly the good guy with a tender heart that some have imagined.

All this, in my opinion, screams countdown of the arc. Why insert something like this, and give Loki exactly that power, if not to realize what punctually happens in all the arcs, which is the countdown to the end of the saga?

It seems very likely to me that it will be the fight with Loki, who holds the power of lightning, to bring Erbaf to the brink of destruction, as the fall of Onigashima on the capital was to Wano, as the Cage was to DR, as the bomb was to Alabasta and so on.

6) Shamrock, the only other possible serious fight in the saga, seems to have gone away as he said he would

There is not much to say here, except that in this chapter we see the 3 knights all together and Shamorock is not there, a sign that he has returned to Marijoa. What's the point of his being cllaed back just to come to Erbaf again? Or what's the pount of having the Holy Roppo comining if a Gorosei was meant to come anyway?

All these things, for me, confirm the previous clues: Loki will be the main fight of this saga. A Katakuri-like enemy probably, but still the main obstacle.
 
Tyki_Mikk

Tyki_Mikk

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Dragon777 said:
As far as I am concerned, Loki is clearly the villain of the saga.

I'll try to make a global reasoning.



1) The first element is contextual: the character's "roots"

Loki is the prince of Erbaf, born in Erbaf, who has an history entirely tied to the island where we are. This connects him with all the other previous enemies of sagas set in "kingdoms": Alabasta, Skypea, DR, Wano. All the enemies had been there for a long time, they were the royals/powerful of the place and had ousted or were trying to oust the legitimate sovereigns.

This applies perfectly to Loki.

The Knights, on the contrary, have no real roots in Erbaf. They would be enemies of pure passage who would be there without any real connection with the saga.

Not to mention that the Government was the enemy of the last saga, EH, and so having it again here would be a repetition.

2) The "Nika" clash

Loki has eaten a legendary fruit and believes he is the new Nika; this puts him in direct opposition to Luffy. Above all, we discovered that there are two versions of Nika: one destroyer and the other liberator:


Coincidentally, this distinction perfectly reflects the Loki-Luffy dichotomy:

- Loki, who wants to destroy the world:


- Luffy, who wants to be free:



3) Loki is clearly portrayed as a villain/not positive character

He surely has some mitigating circumstances and is not bad to the core like the bidimensional Kaido or the CDs, but still, he is clearly not a positive character.

- has a past that speaks for itself, between provoked fires and bullying freely:


- there is the little detail that, you know, wants to destroy the world.



4) has the strength to be the enemy of the saga



- legendary fruit;

- the entire Yggdrasil trembles despite him being chained with the seastone;

- Luffy clearly perceives his strength;

- it took all the giants of Erbaf to stop him and, in ways yet to be understood, Shanks;

- Ragnir, even in that extreme situation, showed a flabbergasting power.

Etc.

Much more than anyone else could boast to date.

5) Loki's power, the most dangerous for Erbaf

We have recently learned that Erbaf suffers from a critical weakness: lightning, which in turn brings fire; obviously deadly for Adam.



We know that Loki, in what is clearly a reference to Thor/Mjolnir, possesses that very power:



Not only that, but Loki is absolutely aware of this, since he reiterates it himself same:



As you can seen, not exactly the good guy with a tender heart that some have imagined.

All this, in my opinion, screams countdown of the arc. Why insert something like this, and give Loki exactly that power, if not to realize what punctually happens in all the arcs, which is the countdown to the end of the saga?

It seems very likely to me that it will be the fight with Loki, who holds the power of lightning, to bring Erbaf to the brink of destruction, as the fall of Onigashima on the capital was to Wano, as the Cage was to DR, as the bomb was to Alabasta and so on.

6) Shamrock, the only other possible serious fight in the saga, seems to have gone away as he said he would

There is not much to say here, except that in this chapter we see the 3 knights all together and Shamorock is not there, a sign that he has returned to Marijoa. What's the point of his being cllaed back just to come to Erbaf again? Or what's the pount of having the Holy Roppo comining if a Gorosei was meant to come anyway?

All these things, for me, confirm the previous clues: Loki will be the main fight of this saga. A Katakuri-like enemy probably, but still the main obstacle.
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Yeah clearly Loki is the main opponent since Shamrock is gone.
About him being nerfed, things will change once he can use his devilfruit.
Loki as opponent is set in stone.
 
Garp the Fist

Garp the Fist

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I think still Shamrock and the Holy Knights, but really Oda’s left it open for anyone really.

(Although I think it’s been clear that’s not Loki’s role to fill)

The Abyss thing means that basically any Celestial Dragon force can show up at any time. Shamrock leaving isn’t really a concern, because he can just as easily come back, with back up. Very clearly the three Holy Knights already there are horribly outgunned, so they can call for backup and any Gorosei/Holy Knight can show up as support. We can get a ten man squad of villains for a full set of one vs ones very easily thanks to that.

The Holy Knights are the main villainous group so far, so I think they are the best guess.

But the other thing Oda has done that leaves it up for debate is that we (quite surprisingly) did not get a big catchup of the rest of the world after Egghead. It was very short vignettes that didn’t really give away their immediate plans (Shanks was actually a flashback to a month earlier.) The most we got was from Blackbeard, and his plans are almost certain to change anyway when Caribou tells him about the Ancient Weapons.

Dragon did say there would be a battle for land, and there’s a very conveniently so far untouched Heaven Real, at the top of Yggdrasil that would be unaffected by a future flood.

There’s the location of the final Road Poneglyph to be discovered as well.

I would be very surprised if Shanks doesn’t show up at some point, given his links to the arc.

Could be a pretty massive battle royale ending for Elbaf, especially if Oda wants it to be the starting ground for the Final War/Raganrok.
 
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Dragon777

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Tyki_Mikk said:
Yeah clearly Loki is the main opponent since Shamrock is gone.
About him being nerfed, things will change once he can use his devilfruit.
Loki as opponent is set in stone.
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In an instant.
That scene with Hajurdin is basically made for having a reason to know Loki, not putting him in chains again and then Gerd being all surprised that Loki is up and well, possibly thanks to his devil fruit.

Even aside form the destroyer Nika - Liberator Nika dualism, I cannot understand how people can see this:







And still don't think it's this arc countdown (Onishasima falling/bird cage/Bomb, etc.). It seems totally obvious to me.
 
Tyki_Mikk

Tyki_Mikk

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Jailer said:
Chopper heals him? The plot is stupid, so they healed a villain to fight him, what for?

This is the problem I have with Loki being a villain in this setup.
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I doubt Chopper does anything.
We need to read behind the lines:
- Why Gerd says(Oda never make such statement for no reason) he need to recover months?
Because he will heal himself, by the legendary df everyone(including Oda) hyped at the very begin of the arc.

Oda is teasing around with that legendary devilfruit, to a point where even Gaban warned Luffy about it.
That legendary df will be the key and hard way to defeat Loki.

Loki said to Luffy:"you won this round" implied that they face each other again.
Oda build everything around Loki and you guys don´t understand that the whole empathy thing by Luffy is the way to show the betray and how tricky Loki will be. That is his portrayal from Norse mythology Loki, tricky and someone who trap people with his lies.

Will he be a regular villian? Nope.
But he will be something similar to Katakuri.

The fact they put him in seastones again means someone else is gonna break him out(Musa).
Loki as opponent is pretty much set in stone for me.... unless Shamrock comeback.
 
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Dragon777

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Jailer said:
@Dragon777 @Tyki_Mikk the problem with Loki becoming villain is the whole situation becomes stupid. The gisnt know what powers Loki has, they think he wont recover anytime soon, we just aren't going to get a nerfed elbaph villain.

Chopper heals him? The plot is stupid, so they healed a villain to fight him, what for?

This is the problem I have with Loki being a villain in this setup.
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I concur with @Tyki_Mikk about the DF having a role in Loki's healing.

And I think this situation is perfect for him to pull out a "Loki move". He'll manipulate Hajurind and the others until the moment he can break free.

Years have passed since Kaido and we have already had an arc without a main villain: EH. Ebraf is a main arc and there is going to be a main villain. Sure as hell Gunko or the Holy Roppo are not going to be one, not after Kaido. Shamrock could have been, but then why send him away?
Not to mention discount Shanks in an endgame player as we saw in that double spread; he wouldn't have fallen here anyway.

Loki is basically the only one, not to mention plenty hinted.

Just the Nika thing and the fire/lightning thing are very clear proofs.
 
Salah WG

Salah WG

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Main Villain is whoever gonna End up as Luffy's Main Opponent in WG War,
Shamrock or Imu or Man With Burn Scar (If not Gaban) or BB .. Etc

But I just wanna say, don't be surprised if entire Mary Geoise is Teleported to Elbaph's Heaven World or at least big chunk of it, Nothing says "Abyss" can't come in Island Size,

That wd be imo the Event that makes "Everyone" sets course to Elbaph,
The Ultimate Battle Royale or as Doffy called it "Throne War",
 
JoNdule

JoNdule

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Tyki_Mikk said:
I doubt Chopper does anything.
We need to read behind the lines:
- Why Gerd says(Oda never make such statement for no reason) he need to recover months?
Because he will heal himself, by the legendary df everyone(including Oda) hyped at the very begin of the arc.

Oda is teasing around with that legendary devilfruit, to a point where even Gaban warned Luffy about it.
That legendary df will be the key and hard way to defeat Loki.

Loki said to Luffy:"you won this round" implied that they face each other again.
Oda build everything around Loki and you guys don´t understand that the whole empathy thing by Luffy is the way to show the betray and how tricky Loki will be. That is his portrayal from Norse mythology Loki, tricky and someone who trap people with his lies.

Will he be a regular villian? Nope.
But he will be something similar to Katakuri.

The fact they put him in seastones again means someone else is gonna break him out(Musa).
Loki as opponent is pretty much set in stone for me.... unless Shamrock comeback.
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Loki is the misunderstood prince
He's not the main villain of this arc
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Loki is going to protect elnaf and Harujudin will be the king once everything is handled
 
Jailer

Jailer

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Tyki_Mikk said:
Because he will heal himself, by the legendary df everyone(including Oda) hyped at the very begin of the arc.
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It doesn't work that way because by that logic Loko shouldn't be beatable if he can heal fully, he doesn't have phoenix fruit as far as we know

Tyki_Mikk said:
Oda build everything around Loki and you guys don´t understand that the whole empathy thing by Luffy is the way to show the betray and how tricky Loki will be. That is his portrayal from Norse mythology Loki, tricky and someone who trap people with his lies.
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No it's just Luffy turning into a retard

Elbaph giants should banish him if he puts their life in danger.
 
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