Versus Battle Kanmei vs Kochou

#4
Is it as simple as that with 80k each side?
Maybe it would have been a problem if his opponent was a 6GG-level strategist. But that is not the case here.

Kanmei was a great general in Chu which happens to be a superstate known for huge armies. It's almost certain he has experience in commanding 100k+ forces.
 
#5
Pointless match up
Kanmei tears through this bum
Put him against some of those Ex GG's like Sento un or something for a decent matchup
 
#7
Put him against some of those Ex GG's like Sento un or something for a decent matchup
Quite the opposite. I think Kouchou could put up a better fight against Kanmei than the Juuko guys (not Manu).

Kouchou would lose of course, but if we include each side's subordinates, Kouchou having more experience, effectively being the head of Zhao's military in Riboku's absence, being able to hold back Qin for a few years and so on, then I'd lean more towards him than Sento Un.
 

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#13
Kanmei with his immense strength, would undoubtedly be leading a frontal charge with his men behind him, mowing down any opponents that lay his path. He also has (or had) the giant soldier cavalry, and those men should be far superior to the standard infantry and officers on the battlefield.

Ko Chou possesses better leadership skills and greater intellect. Considering that the only way Kanmei's army was defeated was by Moubu directly charging at Kanmei himself though (literally smashing through his giant cavalry during the middle of the Coalition Arc), I doubt conventional military strategies would work well against someone capable of swinging a solid ball on a chain the height of a man, disintegrating soldiers around him, and then hurling that massive weapon tens of meters to mow down even more troops in his path.

"Disintegrating" is a bit of an exaggeration here since I meant to say men's upper halves being blown off.

Even if Kanmei and his core group of men run into a trap where they are cornered and outnumbered, it's going to be extremely difficult to defeat him in a direct battle. Ko Chou definitely wouldn't be the person to cleave Kanmei in half directly either.
 
#15
After SBS tore through Ousen's army like butter in a single day, I'm pretty sure Kanmei can do the same thing to an inferior opponent on the plains, though may take longer against 80k.
Would the fact that Kochou knows what he is up against be a factor here? Part of why SBS destroyed Ousen is because the latter met him head on, thinking he could handle the head on clash.
 
#16
Would the fact that Kochou knows what he is up against be a factor here? Part of why SBS destroyed Ousen is because the latter met him head on, thinking he could handle the head on clash.
Ousen's the most cautious general around, and he had plenty of time to react when he heard SBS was charging straight for him. So if he still couldn't do anything about it, then I doubt Kochou can either.

It'll take some strategy to open the way forward for Kanmei, but that's what his strategists are for.
 
#17
Ousen's the most cautious general around, and he had plenty of time to react when he heard SBS was charging straight for him. So if he still couldn't do anything about it, then I doubt Kochou can either.

It'll take some strategy to open the way forward for Kanmei, but that's what his strategists are for.
I don’t actually disagree with your prediction but I disagree a bit here. Ousen continued to think he had what it takes to handle SBS’ might and that’s why he stuck at it. He straight up said himself that both sides underestimated the other but his side would prove to be superior. It wasn’t until after SBS proved him wrong - at the cost of his commanders and most of his army - that Ousen realised but it was too late.

Before the war started, Riboku prophesized what would happen and that the lack of knowledge on the true ‘might of Seika’ would mean Zhao wins. He went in depth to explain how not knowing your opponents abilities is potentially lethal.

I think with Kanmei, this situation is different because the world knows all about him. He’s a legend. The factors to why Riboku said Ousen would not handle SBS, are not present here.
 
#18
I don’t actually disagree with your prediction but I disagree a bit here. Ousen continued to think he had what it takes to handle SBS’ might and that’s why he stuck at it. He straight up said himself that both sides underestimated the other but his side would prove to be superior. It wasn’t until after SBS proved him wrong - at the cost of his commanders and most of his army - that Ousen realised but it was too late.

Before the war started, Riboku prophesized what would happen and that the lack of knowledge on the true ‘might of Seika’ would mean Zhao wins. He went in depth to explain how not knowing your opponents abilities is potentially lethal.

I think with Kanmei, this situation is different because the world knows all about him. He’s a legend. The factors to why Riboku said Ousen would not handle SBS, are not present here.
I agree if Ousen had knowledge of SBS's strength ahead of time, he would've fared better. Maybe he pulls Shin and Ouhon back to protect him. But it still eventually ends the same way IMO. I think this was Hara's way of showing us how impressive raw strength can be by showing that even one of the smartest and most cautious generals can fall victim to it on the plains.

Kochou isn't as smart as Ousen, Kanmei is at least on par with SBS (probably) and Kochou doesn't have a Shin or Ouhon to bail him out if things go bad.

And I checked and there's actually less troops in this scenario than when SBS beat Ousen, so Kanmei will reach him even faster here.
 
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