Biggest 2025 expectation?

  • Nami cutting her hair

    Votes: 29 13.9%
  • Shanks not having a twin

    Votes: 13 6.2%
  • Finding One Piece

    Votes: 11 5.3%
  • Imu face reveal

    Votes: 132 63.2%
  • Vegaskunk finally dying

    Votes: 24 11.5%

  • Total voters
    209
Oden was never above Prime Kaido, that's where we differ.
We disagree on Kaido getting stronger in the past twenty years. Kaido was 39 years old at the time, and oda never made any effort to say he grew in strength. Instead current Kaido was actively talking about how Oden would still be able to kill him and shit like that.
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A Kaido that was a rival to prime Moria who I don't think was ever top 1
Moria said that in the fight with Kaido he got destroyed and his crew murdered. I don’t think we were ever meant to believe Moriah rivaled him or was close in power at all.
 
We disagree on Kaido getting stronger in the past twenty years. Kaido was 39 years old at the time, and oda never made any effort to say he grew in strength. Instead current Kaido was actively talking about how Oden would still be able to kill him and shit like that.
Sengoku saying Big Mom and Kaido are much stronger now than they used to be?
Oden last words to Kaido telling him to grow much stronger for what will happen in the future?
Oden has the AP to kill Kaido like high tier Zoro had the AP to scar Kaido, don't mean he'll be able to triumph over his prime self assuming Kaido doesn't get PTSDs crisis .
There's absolutely no narrative reason for Luffy (Joy Boy) to come out of Wano weaker than Oden (which would be the case if Oden > Kaido since many have Luffy still inferior to Kaido)
 
Sengoku saying Big Mom and Kaido are much stronger now than they used to be?
Oden last words to Kaido telling him to grow much stronger for what will happen in the future?
Oden has the AP to kill Kaido like high tier Zoro had the AP to scar Kaido, don't mean he'll be able to triumph over his prime self assuming Kaido doesn't get PTSDs crisis .
There's absolutely no narrative reason for Luffy (Joy Boy) to come out of Wano weaker than Oden (which would be the case if Oden > Kaido since many have Luffy still inferior to Kaido)
He said that in regards to God Valley. A fight that took place 18 years before the Oden and Kaido fight. (Back when Kaido was 21)

And Kaido took that to mean grow his army. After this he began trading with Doflamingo and amassing weaponry, growing his strength this way. However, Kaido himself never mentions growing stronger since his fight with the oden.

And look, we agreed that the only thing oda is ever consistent power scaling wise is that characters will always match the strength they’re portrayed to be regardless of feats.

And oden was continuously portrayed to be comparable to current Kaido. Kaido himself treated oden as such. I don’t like oden, he’s one of my least favorite characters, but I’m not going to ignore how much Kaido still sucked this man off just because I don’t like him.
 
Alright, I’m going to try piecing things together. WORSTGENHQ says there’s something going on and shared a gif of Luffy using Ryou. Redon also shared a gif of Luffy, and the text in the gif says: “Alright, now I get it.”

Luffy has learned or realized something. I’m betting my money on this: my guess is that he figured out how to overcome immortality.

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