Chapter Discussion Oda yet again strips underling Zolo fans of all dignity and reminds us who the real MC of the story is

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

The Head > The Wings


No one has said it yet but this chapter confirms Roger was the clear number 1 dismantling any retarded Luffy = Zoro arguments. A sense of rivalry and relativism has been mentioned between Rayleigh and Gaban multiple times. This chapter reinstates that there was a strength related rivalry so while the number 2 is ahead, it will always be an extreme diff fight. No rivalry in strength has ever been mentioned between Rayleigh/Roger. That's not the dynamic a captain and the number 2 share. Roger is a tier above Rayleigh and Luffy is a tier above Zolo

EOS Luffy will mid-high diff EOS Zolo who will fight to extreme diff with EOS Sanji

Sorry ZoLobros, the captain will forever be ahead of the underling

It's fine though ZoLo will atleast always be ahead of a cook that never trains by a small margin

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[Orojackson Refugee]

shoulder to shoulder
they are equal, sorry for the harsh truth

 

[Kurozumi mugiwara44]

The cope was over a long time ago. Zoro > Goofy, and it's not even close

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

shoulder to shoulder
they are equal, sorry for the harsh truth

With hindsight, this is just a testament to their status lmao. No sense of rivalry mentioned like Ray/Gaban confirmed to be rivals in strength. Cry

 

[warsame zaylai]

The Head > The Wings


No one has said it yet but this chapter confirms Roger was the clear number 1 dismantling any retarded Luffy = Zoro arguments. A sense of rivalry and relativism has been mentioned between Rayleigh and Gaban multiple times. This chapter reinstates that there was a strength related rivalry so while the number 2 is ahead, it will always be an extreme diff fight. No rivalry in strength has ever been mentioned between Rayleigh/Roger. That's not the dynamic a captain and the number 2 share. Roger is a tier above Rayleigh and Luffy is a tier above Zolo

EOS Luffy will mid-high diff EOS Zolo who will fight to extreme diff with EOS Sanji

Sorry ZoLobros, the captain will forever be ahead of the underling

It's fine though ZoLo will atleast always be ahead of a cook that never trains by a small margin

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Not really cuz

1)roger rival put him in the same bracket or level as someone who is stronger or tiny bit weaker then roger.

2)even tho i got shanks>roger and ray. Oda deadass compared ray coc to someone who I have stronger then roger himself

3)his clout deadass made Blackbeard shit his pants and leave the island when ray himself was the disadvantage cuz bb could've killed boa

roger and ray is extreme diff fight so i dont get your arguement
why use luffy for roger when joyboy is his true parallel
roger doesnt have Nike or wasnt the chosen ones that was joyboy.

So if you're using roger and ray arguement then luffy wont be a tier above zoro cuz roger wasnt a tier above ray

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

1)roger rival put him in the same bracket or level as someone who is stronger or tiny bit weaker then roger.

I don't understand why people think this proves Rayleigh is relative to Whitebeard. They're both legends and that's what Garp is suggesting not a sense of relativism. If WB was alone on an island then the marines would never let him chill. Look what they're doing to Whitebeard's alleged son

2)even tho i got shanks>roger and ray. Oda deadass compared ray coc to someone who I have stronger then roger himself

This just shows both Shanks and Ray can knockout every fishman in the plaza. Shanks stomps Ray CoC wise in terms of feats and portrayal

3)his clout deadass made Blackbeard shit his pants and leave the island when ray himself was the disadvantage cuz bb could've killed boa

Well, Ray is HIM. No one's denying it. He just ain't Roger.

roger and ray is extreme diff fight so i dont get your arguement

It's high diff or maybe high-extreme but it will not be the same diff Roger vs WB/Garp was. Underlings are always weaker than their captains by a fair amount

why use luffy for roger when joyboy is his true parallel

You can have multiple parallels. Roger/Ray/Gaban dynamic parallels the monster trio dynamic

So if you're using roger and ray arguement then luffy wont be a tier above zoro cuz roger wasnt

This is even worse with Joyboy/Ryuma cause both are portrayed to be relative lmao.

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

Bro is way too scared of Mihawk and Zoro potential lol.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Two different things imo.

Ray at least pushes Roger to high diff if not lower end of extreme. They are pretty close nonetheless.

Eos luffy is different thing altogether. God tier character who will be much above PK level. On top of having strongest Haki , he has busted DF.

I have Eos Zoro as PK tier or bit above Roger but Luffy will be 2 levels above Roger. Imu is monstrous.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Bro is way too scared of Mihawk and Zoro potential lol.

I respect Woro’s potential he will indeed be top 5 ever EoS fasho but he won’t be close to Godfy which isn’t a shame cause no one will

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Two different things imo.

Ray at least pushes Roger to high diff if not lower end of extreme. They are pretty close nonetheless.

Eos luffy is different thing altogether. God tier character who will be much above PK level. On top of having strongest Haki , he has busted DF.

I have Eos Zoro as PK tier or bit above Roger but Luffy will be 2 levels above Roger. Imu is monstrous.

EOS Zoro will be above PK tier he will be god tier but he will be below EOS Luffy, EOS Teach, Joyboy and Imu overall which is no shame. But yeah EOS LUffy will be another tier above god tier

 

[Wanderer]

Luffy is a tier above Zoro, and Zoro is a tier above Sanji. The end.

 

[Aknolagon]

So one time the manga said Gaban is equal to Roger and Rayleigh. Sanjino fans : "yessssss we are equal to Rayleigh and Roger".
Another time the manga said Gaban is one the wings of Roger. Sanjino fans "yeahhh we are equal to Rayleigh but not Roger anymore".
Now manga says Gaban is the third strongest. Sanjino fans "let's ignore it because it's Wanji time".

And now Head > Wings ... What do you guys want ? Roger or Rayleigh ?

And for Luffy >= Zoro, well let's see

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

So one time the manga said Gaban is equal to Roger and Rayleigh. Sanjino fans : "yessssss we are equal to Rayleigh and Roger".
Another time the manga said Gaban is one the wings of Roger. Sanjino fans "yeahhh we are equal to Rayleigh but not Roger anymore".
Another time manga say Gaban is the third strongest. Sanjino fans "let's ignore it because it's Wanji time".

And now Head > Wings ... What do you guys want ? Roger or Rayleigh ?

Idfc about Lanji lmfao I have always been consistent in my takes regarding this matter. First, you Zolotards said giants didn't know shit then coped by saying "atleast Luffy = Zoro too" then ran away during chapter 1149 then came back here to scale a gag when you guys are the biggest enemies of gag scaling

And once again, this chapter doesn't contradict anything before it. Rayleigh has always been >= Gaban. Ray wins all their fights but always extreme diff and I never said otherwise. This chapter reinstates a strength related rivalry between them confirming they're close but Ray is only slightly stronger. It completely destroys your headcanon dogshit of Luffy = Zoro >>>>>> Sanji as it's confirmed Ray is definitively below Roger lmao. And there's no rivalry mentioned between them so Zolo will be closer to Sanji than Godfy stop crying

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Roger is 100
Ray is 95
Gaban is 93-94

 

[Aknolagon]

Idfc about Lanji lmfao I have always been consistent in my takes regarding this matter. First, you Zolotards said giants didn't know shit then coped by saying "atleast Luffy = Zoro too" then ran away during chapter 1149 then came back here to scale a gag when you guys are the biggest enemies of gag scaling

And once again, this chapter doesn't contradict anything before it. Rayleigh has always been >= Gaban. Ray wins all their fights but always extreme diff and I never said otherwise. This chapter reinstates a strength related rivalry between them confirming they're close but Ray is only slightly stronger. It completely destroys your headcanon dogshit of Luffy = Zoro >>>>>> Sanji as it's confirmed Ray is definitively below Roger lmao. And there's no rivalry mentioned between them so Zolo will be closer to Sanji than Godfy stop crying

That's what i'm saying, you guys are doing 360° every chapters.
If you think Ray >= Gaban then we can also claim Roger >= Ray, no ? How it's wrong ? because you aren't a retard ?
And how their performances (even tho we never see them fighting properly) impact Luffy, Zoro and Sanji ? They are the new Roger, Ray, Gabban in this generation but they are NOT Roger, Ray, Gabban.
Luffy is literally the proof that he gonna surpass Roger, Zoro gonna fight a stronger opponent than Rayleigh. Gabban has no impact in the story, so Sanji ending below or above him matters only for Sanji and his fans.

So Roger, Ray or Gabban aren't the ceiling of the SHP trio (at least for Luffy and Zoro) so they can be way stronger, it's not a shame you know.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

That's what i'm saying, you guys are doing 360° for every chapters.

Who is you?? I've always said Rayleigh was stronger but it was extreme diff LMFAO

If you think Ray >= Gaban then we can also claim Roger >= Ray, no ? How it's wrong ? because you aren't a retard ?

Because there's only one statement suggesting that which can easily be interpreted as them being the top dogs of the pirate crew. But there is multiple statements of Rayleigh and Gaban being rivals and a confirmation of a strength related rivalry between them. None with Roger or any of his underlings. You guys are flexing being called number 2 when it means Roger is definitively number 1 and Gaban never refuted that so clearly the rivalry is only between the wings

And how their performances (even tho we never see them fighting properly) impact Luffy, Zoro and Sanji ? They are the new Roger, Ray, Gabban in this generation for they are NOT Roger, Ray, Gabban.

Their dynamic is the same that's what parallels are lmao.

Luffy is literally the proof that he gonna surpass Roger, Zoro gonna fight a stronger opponent than Rayleigh. Gabban has no impact in the story, so Sanji ending below or above him matters only for Sanji and his fans.

Did I say otherwise? Obviously they're going to surpass them by far lmfao but the dynamic will be similar

So Roger, Ray or Gabban aren't the ceiling of the SHP trio.

Never said they are. EOS Luffy will be far above the rest. EOS Zoro will be god tier too above Roger and Sanji will be ~Roger level. But their dynamic will be the same.

I also didn't say Roger mid diffs Rayleigh. I have Roger high-extreme diffing Rayleigh who extreme diffs Gaban. Ofc the fights will be crazy close but the gap between captain and underlings will always be slightly larger than the rest

 

[[No Name]]

Facts.

 

[thisnewtechnique]

The Head > The Wings


No one has said it yet but this chapter confirms Roger was the clear number 1 dismantling any retarded Luffy = Zoro arguments. A sense of rivalry and relativism has been mentioned between Rayleigh and Gaban multiple times. This chapter reinstates that there was a strength related rivalry so while the number 2 is ahead, it will always be an extreme diff fight. No rivalry in strength has ever been mentioned between Rayleigh/Roger. That's not the dynamic a captain and the number 2 share. Roger is a tier above Rayleigh and Luffy is a tier above Zolo

EOS Luffy will mid-high diff EOS Zolo who will fight to extreme diff with EOS Sanji

Sorry ZoLobros, the captain will forever be ahead of the underling

It's fine though ZoLo will atleast always be ahead of a cook that never trains by a small margin

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[Shisui]

EoS Luffy = 100
EoS Zoro = 95
EoS Sanji = 94

 

[Roronoa-sama]

goffy's head is empty. Wing>>head empty

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

I respect Woro’s potential he will indeed be top 5 ever EoS fasho but he won’t be close to Godfy which isn’t a shame cause no one will

Giants Compares Joyboy Haki to Shanks. -> Zoro is set to Surpass Shanks regardless.

DF fruit wise and Zoro alternative is -> Three Blackblades EoS lmao.

You can push however you wanna push it.
Gap is going negligible or or smaller than zoro and Sanji lmao.

Even right now.

Zoro - CoA , CoC , CoO , AdCoA , AdCoC
Luffy - CoA , CoC , CoO , AdCoA , AdCoC , AdCoO (Luffy only has FS advantage here which zoro keeps up with Swordsmanship)

Zoro - Three Sword Style, KoH , Ashura
Luffy - Nika fruit , Gear 4 , Gear 5

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

iants Compares Joyboy Haki to Shanks. -> Zoro is set to Surpass Shanks regardless

Yes he surpasses them in the haki aspect now there’s still a god fruit awakening you have to worry about

DF fruit wise and Zoro alternative is -> Three Blackblades EoS lmao.

Black blade doesn’t offer you any superpowers lmao Zoro already possessed one. It’s already a CoA haki feat combined with a swordsman’s spirit most likely and THATS ALREADY INCLUDED in surpassing Shanks/Joyboy haki. You already accounted for this in the first half, why are you counting the same thing again? You still have a god fruit awakening to worry about

You can push however you wanna push it.
Gap is going negligible or or smaller than zoro and Sanji lmao.

I can see it being smaller than the gap between Sanji but it won’t be negligible lmao Luffy is the MC and he will be definitively stronger