Character Discussion It’s hilarious that Queen is Franky’s father

[Urouge D. Rouge]

wow that was some shit revelation if true

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

I mean it’s been like 30 years since they’ve seen each other, look drastically different, use aliases, and even the WG doesn’t know Scien from MADS is Queen from the BP but Franky should?

they actually never saw each other in wano. not a single time came face to face. just other people mentioning a possible connection like sanji going "franky would be interested in this rapid fire laser tech"

 

[Sir Yasheen]

they actually never saw each other in wano. not a single time came face to face. just other people mentioning a possible connection like sanji going "franky would be interested in this rapid fire laser tech"

I thought they saw each other after Franky ran over big mom but maybe not

 

[Roo]

wano was so bloated Oda couldn't even fit some lore about a crewmember

 

[Sir Yasheen]

wano was so bloated Oda couldn't even fit some lore about a crewmember

If Oda couldn’t even show Ryumas grave I’m not shocked.

 

[Roo]

If Oda couldn’t even show Ryumas grave I’m not shocked.

the 9 scabbards and it's consequences have been a disaster for the wano arc

 

[Sir Yasheen]

the 9 scabbards and it's consequences have been a disaster for the wano arc

Genuinely I feel like if you remove half of them nothing changes.

 

[Roo]

Genuinely I feel like if you remove half of them nothing changes.

Had Oda decided to kill off a few prior to the Wano arc it could've been an actual tragic story and added to the Wano arc

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Had Oda decided to kill off a few prior to the Wano arc it could've been an actual tragic story and added to the Wano arc

I mean genuinely,
Kiku and Kawamatsu added nothing
Neko and Denjiro could’ve just been combined with Inu and Ashura Doji

Making it just Kinemon, Kanjuro, Ashura Doji, Inu, and Raizo would’ve genuinely been enough then have Izo sub in for Kanjuro.

 

[Shiroyru]

I mean genuinely,
Kiku and Kawamatsu added nothing
Neko and Denjiro could’ve just been combined with Inu and Ashura Doji

Making it just Kinemon, Kanjuro, Ashura Doji, Inu, and Raizo would’ve genuinely been enough then have Izo sub in for Kanjuro.

Isn’t Denjiro more relevant than Ashura Doji?

 

[Roo]

I mean genuinely,
Kiku and Kawamatsu added nothing
Neko and Denjiro could’ve just been combined with Inu and Ashura Doji

Making it just Kinemon, Kanjuro, Ashura Doji, Inu, and Raizo would’ve genuinely been enough then have Izo sub in for Kanjuro.

I think I'm fine with the dukes being different characters. They really didn't take much away in Wano

I would've killed off every scabbard that stayed in the past. Kin, Raizo, Kanjuro and Kiku + Dukes being the last remaining scabbards.

Instead of wasting time with the denjiro panels, convicing ashura doji and kawamatsu we could learn about them from Oden's and Hiyori's flashback

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Isn’t Denjiro more relevant than Ashura Doji?

I don’t think so. Once kyoshiro was revealed as Denjiro, he really did nothing. Kyoshiro could’ve literally have just been rewritten to be Ashura Doji

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I think I'm fine with the dukes being different characters. They really didn't take much away in Wano

I would've killed off every scabbard that stayed in the past. Kin, Raizo, Kanjuro and Kiku + Dukes being the last remaining scabbards.

Instead of wasting time with the denjiro panels, convicing ashura doji and kawamatsu we could learn about them from Oden's and Hiyori's flashback

They didn’t take much, but Neko didn’t exactly add much either. Hell oda had to implement Perospero purely to give Neko a fight.

 

[Midnight Delight]

I don’t think so. Once kyoshiro was revealed as Denjiro, he really did nothing. Kyoshiro could’ve literally have just been rewritten to be Ashura Doji

He had his friendship with Sasaki
And His Relationship with Hiyori

But tbh Hiyori already had one friend in Kawa and Sasaki's friendship didn't really benefit the Plot, if anything Being Tied to a Tree harmed Sasaki's aura before doing anything

 

[Sir Yasheen]

He had his friendship with Sasaki
And His Relationship with Hiyori

But tbh Hiyori already had one friend in Kawa and Sasaki's friendship didn't really benefit the Plot, if anything Being Tied to a Tree harmed Sasaki's aura before doing anything

It really added nothing. I’d say Hiyori friendship actively hurt the arc by making Hiyori a damsel for Denjiro to save instead of giving Hiyori an actual moment as the daughter of Oden.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

King Queen and smoothie should’ve killed the heavy hitters among the Scabbards in early Onigashima. Kill two birds with one stone; Calamity hype and trimming the side character fat.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Oda's approach to non Luffy characters in a nutshell

 

[Shiroyru]

King Queen and smoothie should’ve killed the heavy hitters among the Scabbards in early Onigashima. Kill two birds with one stone; Calamity hype and trimming the side character fat.

Instead we got Izo clowning Ling

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Instead we got Izo clowning Ling

Try harder

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Queen and Franky being fatter and son

I see what you did there

OT : yeah it sucks ass but we already had a taste with Zoro and his lineage/relation to Wano and it sucked ass so it's not surprising...

 

[Sir Yasheen]

King Queen and smoothie should’ve killed the heavy hitters among the Scabbards in early Onigashima. Kill two birds with one stone; Calamity hype and trimming the side character fat.

Instead King and Queen got Big Mom as their hype tool cause oda hates her