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Kizaru rebelled on Egghead far more than Zoro has even come close to rebelling against Luffy. Kizaru straight up backstabbed Saturn by feeding Yonkou Luffy right under his nose. That's quite literally treason.
This was the only time Kizaru even had a problem with orders, he has no issues prior to Egghead, he happily carries out his duty. The first time he ran into a dilemma he committed treason.
This was the only time Kizaru even had a problem with orders, he has no issues prior to Egghead, he happily carries out his duty. The first time he ran into a dilemma he committed treason.
All I'm saying is, I don't think a conqueror would willingly murder their own friend just because a CD told them to.
Yeah yeah yeah, save me the yapping. I don't care. The results are what matters, and the result is him ultimately killing Vegapunk and aiding Saturn anyway.
No conqueror would do that.
Yeah yeah yeah, save me the yapping. I don't care. The results are what matters, and the result is him ultimately killing Vegapunk and aiding Saturn anyway.
No conqueror would do that.
"Researching the Void Century is a crime even I cannot defend"
Kizaru blames Vegapunk's death on Vegapunk. On an emotional level he didn't want to murder Vegapunk but don't mistake this for thinking Kizaru did it do to mere orders, he says himself he finds Vegapunk guilty and having gone too far lmfao. He does not feel guilty for killing him
Kizaru blames Vegapunk's death on Vegapunk. On an emotional level he didn't want to murder Vegapunk but don't mistake this for thinking Kizaru did it do to mere orders, he says himself he finds Vegapunk guilty and having gone too far lmfao. He does not feel guilty for killing him
That's good for Luffy then. He's lucky Kizaru held back a bit. Vegapunk is still dead though.
And why exactly is it a crime? It's because it threatens the government where the top brass go on voyages to foreign lands just to kill and rape people there.
Either way this doesn't make Kizaru look good lol, he just looks like more of a World Government boot licker.
And why exactly is it a crime? It's because it threatens the government where the top brass go on voyages to foreign lands just to kill and rape people there.
Either way this doesn't make Kizaru look good lol, he just looks like more of a World Government boot licker.
Does it matter why is it a crime?
Kizaru considers it a crime, and Vegapunk a criminal
Kizaru in cold blood killed Vegapunk as a criminal, rather than emotionally sparing him because of friendship like an emotion-following non conqueror would
He would have been absolutely fine if he failed to kill Vegapunk, maybe some reprimand but would not lose his job or some shit like that lmfao. It was his choice, his will that killed Vegapunk
Kizaru considers it a crime, and Vegapunk a criminal
Kizaru in cold blood killed Vegapunk as a criminal, rather than emotionally sparing him because of friendship like an emotion-following non conqueror would
He would have been absolutely fine if he failed to kill Vegapunk, maybe some reprimand but would not lose his job or some shit like that lmfao. It was his choice, his will that killed Vegapunk
Kizaru killing Vegapunk shows resolve. It takes a very strong will to kill your best friend, 99% of people would fold.
This is what led to Kizaru yelling at Akainu, he even got someone like Akainu who is his direct superior to apologize. That's definitely some conqueror type shit, but ultimately that doesn't matter, your criteria is irrelevant. There is no consistency to this stuff, but your points have been awful.
We have examples of completely subservient characters like Katakuri have it. And a fellow WG bootlicker like Sengoku who has it.
This is what led to Kizaru yelling at Akainu, he even got someone like Akainu who is his direct superior to apologize. That's definitely some conqueror type shit, but ultimately that doesn't matter, your criteria is irrelevant. There is no consistency to this stuff, but your points have been awful.
We have examples of completely subservient characters like Katakuri have it. And a fellow WG bootlicker like Sengoku who has it.
Yes, Buggy is clearly wrong and misinformed. First of all, Roger‘s reputation was so high because of his strength. He was already one of the strongest pirates and travelled across the globe. His infamy made people care about the One Piece — it was Roger’s treasure, and a legend like Roger hyped it up so millions of people wanted to find it for themselves.
In the modern era, finding the One Piece is now synonymous to becoming PK since it has been decades and nobody even came close to replicating the feat. It’s also the era filled with competition so if you find it then that would mean that you pulled ahead of the curve. Which is what we are seeing, you literally need to get the poneglyphs from yonko level fighters.
So yeah, Buggy’s words don’t carry weight at all. Apart from the aforementioned reasons, he’s also a gag character with the greatest luck in the series. Despite that, he himself needs powerful allies to be able to compete. You can’t think of becoming PK without even having the capacity to scrap with top-tiers. That is the bare minimum, you need a lot more than that in reality.
In the modern era, finding the One Piece is now synonymous to becoming PK since it has been decades and nobody even came close to replicating the feat. It’s also the era filled with competition so if you find it then that would mean that you pulled ahead of the curve. Which is what we are seeing, you literally need to get the poneglyphs from yonko level fighters.
So yeah, Buggy’s words don’t carry weight at all. Apart from the aforementioned reasons, he’s also a gag character with the greatest luck in the series. Despite that, he himself needs powerful allies to be able to compete. You can’t think of becoming PK without even having the capacity to scrap with top-tiers. That is the bare minimum, you need a lot more than that in reality.
In theory, you can, but in practice? — not at all. You need Buggy levels of luck to ever be able to pull that off. The modern system forces you to fight the gatekeepers, you think you can steal the Poneglyphs 3-4 times in each yonko territory without needing to fight? Apart from power, you also need a powerful army and extreme luck to even get far.
Akainu is aligned with the intensity of his Fruit, but he is a slave to ideology. He shouldn’t have it.
Kizaru feels the weight of the harm he does on behalf of the WG he knows to be deeply corrupt. He shouldn’t have it.
Aokiji’s passionate nature is covered in layers and layers of ice so he can act with the cold detachment needed to serve such corruption and not lose his soul to its corrosive nature. He shouldn’t have it.
I don’t think any of the Marines should have it unless they’re inherently rebellious to an extent within the system they serve.
Kizaru feels the weight of the harm he does on behalf of the WG he knows to be deeply corrupt. He shouldn’t have it.
Aokiji’s passionate nature is covered in layers and layers of ice so he can act with the cold detachment needed to serve such corruption and not lose his soul to its corrosive nature. He shouldn’t have it.
I don’t think any of the Marines should have it unless they’re inherently rebellious to an extent within the system they serve.
Given Kuzaru wasn’t in right frame of mind when facing Luffy he still managed to hold Nika Luffy decently with his nerfed abilities .
Advanced Coc is definitely only way for Admirals to be justified for Imu to even have them in final war . Clearly Holy knights are disposable fodder but Gaban clearly states proper use of Conquerors haki is key to encounter Imu .
This is one reason I feel Holy knights won’t make much impact going forward and Admirals will play biggest role for WG .
Advance CoC is the key to final war. Top tier fighter will need this .
Advanced Coc is definitely only way for Admirals to be justified for Imu to even have them in final war . Clearly Holy knights are disposable fodder but Gaban clearly states proper use of Conquerors haki is key to encounter Imu .
This is one reason I feel Holy knights won’t make much impact going forward and Admirals will play biggest role for WG .
Advance CoC is the key to final war. Top tier fighter will need this .
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He challenged his brother-in-arms to a duel for the right to decide the future of the Marines.
He defied the WG as a whole and went AWOL, looking for the One Piece treasure.
He joined the worst pirate crew in recent history and is planning to betray them from within.
He even defied, fought with, and chose to kidnap his own mentor--all to uphold his own ideology.
If that's not a man who does what he wants on his own terms, then IDK why 99% of this series' characters should get CoC.
He defied the WG as a whole and went AWOL, looking for the One Piece treasure.
He joined the worst pirate crew in recent history and is planning to betray them from within.
He even defied, fought with, and chose to kidnap his own mentor--all to uphold his own ideology.
If that's not a man who does what he wants on his own terms, then IDK why 99% of this series' characters should get CoC.
I can very easily steelman the argument for why CoC fits Akainu he therefore should have it.
Issho is tricky.
If figures like Chinjao can have it, it's hard to make the argument none of the Admirals be able to get it, given the willpower and purpose required to not only survive, but also ascend the ranks.
Issho is tricky.
If figures like Chinjao can have it, it's hard to make the argument none of the Admirals be able to get it, given the willpower and purpose required to not only survive, but also ascend the ranks.
Gb and kizaru nah
but desk~Chan and Fuji~san definitely
Tbh I see about 5 or so more characters getting basic coq and probably 3 or less getting the advance version.
Luffy lowkey already has enough allies with coqs to take on HK or elders
Zoro luffy yamato Loki possibly momo or sanji (Kidd needs a massive upgrade)
But that’s already more than rocks pirates.
but desk~Chan and Fuji~san definitely
Tbh I see about 5 or so more characters getting basic coq and probably 3 or less getting the advance version.
Luffy lowkey already has enough allies with coqs to take on HK or elders
Zoro luffy yamato Loki possibly momo or sanji (Kidd needs a massive upgrade)
But that’s already more than rocks pirates.