Speculations Sanji s not gonna get CoC,PoL is his way to hurt HK

[PuckTheGreat]

The same way Kinemon could cut fire, and Zoro could cut fire and water.

What does this even mean though?
Kinemon is able to cut fire as a result of his "fire fox style" which I'm guessing Zoro also learnt as he expressed interest in it when he first saw it iirc, yet Zoro did not even attempt to cut King's laser so they are not the same ting. When Zoro cuts a laser we can have a conversation about him being able to do it. Not to mention that Sanji isn't even a swordman in the first place.

It's just bizzare to me that you're trying to playing this off as a joke or attribute PoL to Kinemon and Zoro?
I don't really get it lol. Is this another form of Sanji downplay that I'm not yet privy to

 

[langitbarat]

If he didn't get CoC, he will have VoAT, because it fits the Lady Radar & Obs Haki.

 

[Jailer]

No

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

What does this even mean though?
Kinemon is able to cut fire as a result of his "fire fox style" which I'm guessing Zoro also learnt as he expressed interest in it when he first saw it iirc, yet Zoro did not even attempt to cut King's laser so they are not the same ting. When Zoro cuts a laser we can have a conversation about him being able to do it. Not to mention that Sanji isn't even a swordman in the first place.

It's just bizzare to me that you're trying to playing this off as a joke or attribute PoL to Kinemon and Zoro?
I don't really get it lol. Is this another form of Sanji downplay that I'm not yet privy to

Let's get something straight here.
I do not downplay Sanji. At all.
Read my other comments here, I've admitted two things that most other Zoro fans (or even Sanji fans) here wouldn't proudly admit:
One: Sanji WILL get CoC AND ACoC, likely in this arc.
Two: Sanji will probably fight Majin Brogy, while Zoro fights Majin Dorry, since they're typically relative and Brogy and Dorry are also relative in power.
These are two takes that a handful of Zoro fans aren't willing to admit because they don't want Sanji to look good. They're scared he could look just as good as Zoro could. I, however, am not. I even constantly argued against OTHER SANJI FANS who were trying to argue that Sanji is dead equal to Zoro and not below or above him because of the whole "shoulder to shoulder" thing and what not. They ridiculed me for saying that Sanji is slightly below Zoro but they're still typically relative in power even if Zoro would win against him in a fight. Guess what happened a week after? Hajrudin outright says that Rayleigh was likely the second strongest of Roger's crew while Gaban is third (which, coupled with things like Rayleigh being named after the medal you get for landing second place in a race, and Gaban third place, has a very obvious connotation to it). Oda vindicated me completely and left the others looking like fools, which also happened again when I said Power of Love isn't the counter to regen- Haki likely is.
Do you understand me now? I'm not out to hurt Sanji or his fans in anyway, I love Sanji and he'd be possibly my favorite character if not for the pervert gags. And often times when I say something about him it turns out to be true.
The reason I object to Power of Love being a real power up is because it's a coping mechanism from extremist Sanji fans, and it's also just not likely to be a real thing.
It's a coping mechanism because extreme Sanji fans don't want to admit that CoC and ACoC are just as great and powerful as Zoro fans have been saying for a while now, so they invent a whole new power up or him to have and try to make it a magic solution to everything (i.e saying it can counter regen) while also being a big amp to his strength. Law fans also kind of leech onto it for the same reasons. This is clear because they often excuse it by saying "Oh, you're just trying to ruin the fun, we only want for there to be a more unique and diverse power system!", while wanting a character to get stronger.. Through love...
I don't think I need to explain why such a trope isn't at all unique or diverse, and is in fact just as bland and overdone as Haki/willpower being a power system.
I also just don't believe it'd be real at this point in the story, Oda seems to be going really hard with Haki right now and I don't see him introducing a whole new power system especially if he's already going to add magic into it somehow (given that Imu's grimoire exists, plus those portals the HKs and Gorosei use, and even the Baroque Works agent that could use paint to put status effects on people).

 

[Jackteo]

The PoL vs CoC nonsense is here to stay, isn't it?

Garp, Hancock and Gaban are CoC users, why would Sanji be any different?

 

[chacharealsmooth]

Or maybe, it is time to accept he will never fight or defeat Holy Knights, Gorosei or Admirals and will cap at the level of a high VA at best? I think Oda makes it extremely clear Gorosei are reserved for Rooftop 5 and Sanji should be grateful if he reaches the level of Momonga by the end of the series!!

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Let's get something straight here.
I do not downplay Sanji. At all.
Read my other comments here, I've admitted two things that most other Zoro fans (or even Sanji fans) here wouldn't proudly admit:
One: Sanji WILL get CoC AND ACoC, likely in this arc.
Two: Sanji will probably fight Majin Brogy, while Zoro fights Majin Dorry, since they're typically relative and Brogy and Dorry are also relative in power.
These are two takes that a handful of Zoro fans aren't willing to admit because they don't want Sanji to look good. They're scared he could look just as good as Zoro could. I, however, am not. I even constantly argued against OTHER SANJI FANS who were trying to argue that Sanji is dead equal to Zoro and not below or above him because of the whole "shoulder to shoulder" thing and what not. They ridiculed me for saying that Sanji is slightly below Zoro but they're still typically relative in power even if Zoro would win against him in a fight. Guess what happened a week after? Hajrudin outright says that Rayleigh was likely the second strongest of Roger's crew while Gaban is third (which, coupled with things like Rayleigh being named after the medal you get for landing second place in a race, and Gaban third place, has a very obvious connotation to it). Oda vindicated me completely and left the others looking like fools, which also happened again when I said Power of Love isn't the counter to regen- Haki likely is.
Do you understand me now? I'm not out to hurt Sanji or his fans in anyway, I love Sanji and he'd be possibly my favorite character if not for the pervert gags. And often times when I say something about him it turns out to be true.
The reason I object to Power of Love being a real power up is because it's a coping mechanism from extremist Sanji fans, and it's also just not likely to be a real thing.
It's a coping mechanism because extreme Sanji fans don't want to admit that CoC and ACoC are just as great and powerful as Zoro fans have been saying for a while now, so they invent a whole new power up or him to have and try to make it a magic solution to everything (i.e saying it can counter regen) while also being a big amp to his strength. Law fans also kind of leech onto it for the same reasons. This is clear because they often excuse it by saying "Oh, you're just trying to ruin the fun, we only want for there to be a more unique and diverse power system!", while wanting a character to get stronger.. Through love...
I don't think I need to explain why such a trope isn't at all unique or diverse, and is in fact just as bland and overdone as Haki/willpower being a power system.
I also just don't believe it'd be real at this point in the story, Oda seems to be going really hard with Haki right now and I don't see him introducing a whole new power system especially if he's already going to add magic into it somehow (given that Imu's grimoire exists, plus those portals the HKs and Gorosei use, and even the Baroque Works agent that could use paint to put status effects on people).

Also, @PuckTheGreat, the Kinemon and Zoro examples were to show that characters just show certain abilities without there being real explanations to it.
We never get a proper explanation for Kinemon and Zoro being able to cut fire and water, they just CAN. And again, that girl from Baroque Works could induce status effects on people with her paint, which also wasn't explained.
There's a LOT of bullshit in One Piece that is NEVER explained, Sanji dispersing a laser probably isn't that different from those examples.
And if this sounds aggressive, it's not, but I'm trying my best to get my points across here because people here tend to blow most of the things I say here out of proportions and even treat me as if I'm borderline braindead for my takes.

 

[Garp the Fist]

The PoL is and always has been Haki. It’s been clear since the Ray explanation chapter that Oda is folding all abilities into Haki. Mantra is Haki, VoAT is Haki, BoAT is Haki, even Rokushiki is Haki. It’s literally introduced with Garp punching Luffy and them wondering how it hurts, obviously it’s Haki.

Sanji will get CoC because he’s obviously going to fight a Gorosei, and relatively likely to fight a HK this very arc.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

even Rokushiki is Haki.

Ehh, it does seem like he'll keep Tekkai different from Haki.
Even post timeskip, Vergo and Who's Who both used Tekkai and Haki with them being differentiated from each other.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Ehh, it does seem like he'll keep Tekkai different from Haki.
Even post timeskip, Vergo and Who's Who both used Tekkai and Haki with them being differentiated from each other.

Nah, Jinbei said that Tekkai and CoA Hardening is the same thing

 

[Malio]

You need to update your signature bro, I don't see Gaban in the duo shot.

And you never will. The signature is for AdCoC users, not CoA demons .

This is just hate post why are you guys so fixated Sanji won’t grow from here till end of series . Straw hat crew needs more CoC users in the crew , I just don’t understand what happens if Sanji obtains it .

I never said he wouldn't grow. He just has a ceiling, and unfortunately for him, said ceiling doesn't include CoC. They do, that's why Oda will have Yamato join soon enough. That's 3 users then and then he can also have someone like ussop show signs of it. Don't worry, there'll more users soon enough

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Nah, Jinbei said that Tekkai and CoA Hardening is the same thing

No, he mockingly said "So should I call this iron body, then?"
It's meant to make fun of WsW, basically saying Jinbe has something just as good as his Tekkai.
It wouldn't make sense if they were the same thing.

 

[HA001]

Of course sanji ain't getting acoc this arc to use against the enemy you can't just unlock the main part of acoc which is flowing haki
Flowing haki is a technique that you need to be taught like luffy and zoro were and then practice like luffy and zoro did.
The reason zoro can use acoc so quickly is because he mastered flowing his haki already since being taught by koshiro and mihawk.
Same with luffy once kaido bonked him he knew infusion with coa and just applied it to coc instead/as well

This is unarguably why sanji won't

 

[Cozy Sofa]

1: Something happens to a woman and Sanji unlocks CoC
2: Judges enhancements kick in out of the blue
3: Sanji finds a reason to become a king, at the moment he has no such ambition

Even if or rather when he gets it I don't ever see him being particularly adept at it. He simply isn't a conqueror. His dream is to find fish in All Blue, sleep with every woman there is and feed homeless poor people.

Compare that to someone like Crocodile, Enel or even Hody Jones. They actually want to rule something/stand at the top.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Let's get something straight here.
I do not downplay Sanji. At all.
Read my other comments here, I've admitted two things that most other Zoro fans (or even Sanji fans) here wouldn't proudly admit:
One: Sanji WILL get CoC AND ACoC, likely in this arc.
Two: Sanji will probably fight Majin Brogy, while Zoro fights Majin Dorry, since they're typically relative and Brogy and Dorry are also relative in power.
These are two takes that a handful of Zoro fans aren't willing to admit because they don't want Sanji to look good. They're scared he could look just as good as Zoro could. I, however, am not. I even constantly argued against OTHER SANJI FANS who were trying to argue that Sanji is dead equal to Zoro and not below or above him because of the whole "shoulder to shoulder" thing and what not. They ridiculed me for saying that Sanji is slightly below Zoro but they're still typically relative in power even if Zoro would win against him in a fight. Guess what happened a week after? Hajrudin outright says that Rayleigh was likely the second strongest of Roger's crew while Gaban is third (which, coupled with things like Rayleigh being named after the medal you get for landing second place in a race, and Gaban third place, has a very obvious connotation to it). Oda vindicated me completely and left the others looking like fools, which also happened again when I said Power of Love isn't the counter to regen- Haki likely is.
Do you understand me now? I'm not out to hurt Sanji or his fans in anyway, I love Sanji and he'd be possibly my favorite character if not for the pervert gags. And often times when I say something about him it turns out to be true.

Fair enuff 🫂
I mean I think most Sanji fans have a similar view on their dynamic as you do (I do at least), know a few that genuinely think they are equal but I think they are in the minority tbh. Regardless, can't speak for others so will stop here

The reason I object to Power of Love being a real power up is because it's a coping mechanism from extremist Sanji fans, and it's also just not likely to be a real thing.
It's a coping mechanism because extreme Sanji fans don't want to admit that CoC and ACoC are just as great and powerful as Zoro fans have been saying for a while now, so they invent a whole new power up or him to have and try to make it a magic solution to everything (i.e saying it can counter regen) while also being a big amp to his strength. Law fans also kind of leech onto it for the same reasons. This is clear because they often excuse it by saying "Oh, you're just trying to ruin the fun, we only want for there to be a more unique and diverse power system!", while wanting a character to get stronger.. Through love...
I don't think I need to explain why such a trope isn't at all unique or diverse, and is in fact just as bland and overdone as Haki/willpower being a power system.
I also just don't believe it'd be real at this point in the story, Oda seems to be going really hard with Haki right now and I don't see him introducing a whole new power system especially if he's already going to add magic into it somehow (given that Imu's grimoire exists, plus those portals the HKs and Gorosei use, and even the Baroque Works agent that could use paint to put status effects on people).

Completely disagree with your take on PoL though and I think you're making way too many assumptions.
It's not like Sanji fans invented PoL out of thin air. This is an ability that Oda had Sanji display not once but twice on Egghead and was also hinted at as being the true ability of the buccaneers. This ability quite literally destroyed Kizaru's lazer, something that completely defies the laws of physics which Kizaru commented on by the way and allowed Kuma overcome his programming so not sure what the problem is with Sanji fans getting excited about it. Saying it's cope is a bit too pompous/condensending imo, again I get it you don't acknowledge PoL as a legit powerup hence why you think it's cope but don't really get why you can say that so confidently as 1.) for the reasons I already gave above 2.) Sanji's development post-ts has been pretty unqiue so is Oda going a different route than ACoC with at this point that much of a stretch?

Also on ACoC again, I'm gonna have to disagree with you again. You can think ACoC is a great powerup without considering it the holy grail. I've made this point several times already, Kaido might say Haki supersedes all abilities and that ACoC is the bee's knees but Blackbeard will tell you it's devil fruits. It's all just subjective at the end of the day and how far you can take an ability is ultimately dependent on the individual imo. So there's nothing wrong with Sanji fans or Law fans not conceding to the whole ACoC rhetoric.

Back to PoL, on one hand you're conceding that Oda's adding new shit to the series in the form grimores/magic and stuff but for some reason PoL which is relatively new (if we ignore Garp's fist of love) is a no go bcoz Oda added new shit to series? I don't get it.

Lastly with regards to PoL and immortals, given what that ability can do I wouldn't be at all surprised if it can indeed hurt immortals.
The ability quite literally contradicts "reason/logic" be it Kuma overcoming his programming or Sanji's feats on Egghead.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Fair enuff 🫂
I mean I think most Sanji fans have a similar view on their dynamic as you do (I do at least), know a few that genuinely think they are equal but I think they are in the minority tbh. Regardless, can't speak for others so will stop here



Completely disagree with your take on PoL though and I think you're making way too many assumptions.
It's not like Sanji fans invented PoL out of thin air. This is an ability that Oda had Sanji display not once but twice on Egghead and was also hinted at as being the true ability of the buccaneers. This ability quite literally destroyed Kizaru's lazer, something that completely defies the laws of physics which Kizaru commented on by the way and allowed Kuma overcome his programming so not sure what the problem is with Sanji fans getting excited about it. Saying it's cope is a bit too pompous/condensending imo, again I get it you don't acknowledge PoL as a legit powerup hence why you think it's cope but don't really get why you can say that so confidently as 1.) for the reasons I already gave above 2.) Sanji's development post-ts has been pretty unqiue so is Oda going a different route than ACoC with at this point that much of a stretch?

Also on ACoC again, I'm gonna have to disagree with you again. You can think ACoC is a great powerup without considering it the holy grail. I've made this point several times already, Kaido might say Haki supersedes all abilities and that ACoC is the bee's knees but Blackbeard will tell you it's devil fruits. It's all just subjective at the end of the day and how far you can take an ability is ultimately dependent on the individual imo. So there's nothing wrong with Sanji fans or Law fans not conceding to the whole ACoC rhetoric.

Back to PoL, on one hand you're conceding that Oda's adding new shit to the series in the form grimores/magic and stuff but for some reason PoL which is relatively new (if we ignore Garp's fist of love) is a no go bcoz Oda added new shit to series? I don't get it.

Lastly with regards to PoL and immortals, given what that ability can do I wouldn't be at all surprised if it can indeed hurt immortals.
The ability quite literally contradicts "reason/logic" be it Kuma overcoming his programming or Sanji's feats on Egghead.

Lot of stuff in this post that I mostly agree with/concede on but I don't feel like addressing it right now
I will say, though, that I'm still not really certain if it will be a real powerup, after all there's only two pieces of evidence for it so far and both can have their own separate explanations (i.e the laser thing being Haki since Luffy dispersed the light clones with Armament Haki). At the end of the day, though, this all depends on what Oda wants to do. All I'm saying is that if we look at how many power systems we already have, and how many we will have, it could get even messier if we get yet another one that's based around your emotions/will and gives you a boost in strength.

Also if I sounded toxic or condescending when I said certain Sanji and Law fans were coping. I'm not trying to be, but honestly there's a ton of people here who are ridiculously rude and defensive over their favorite OP characters, and I don't care to spare their feelings whenever I talk about them. So if I come off as toxic and weird for it, it's not my intention but at the same time I also don't intend to be nice about it. Definitely one of those things where you'd understand if you were in my shoes.

 

[Rumble]

Germa
PoL
CoC
FS

Sanji gona end up a petri dish like Ichigo.

 

[Worst]

Sanji is getting CoC whether you like it or not, right now it surely seems like there is a considerable gap between him and Luffy/Zoro, but once he will put his pride aside ( like when Zoro decided to bow to Mihawk ) and accept his germa heritage/powers he will unlock his true potential and getting up there again and finally unlocking CoC & who knows what helse

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Germa
PoL
CoC
FS

Sanji gona end up a petri dish like Ichigo.

I'm on the anti PoL train until I die tbh
It's just unnecessary, he can get everything he needs from the Germa powerups plus ACoA plus ACoC plus his flames

 

[Rumble]

I'm on the anti PoL train until I die tbh
It's just unnecessary, he can get everything he needs from the Germa powerups plus ACoA plus ACoC plus his flames

I don't exactly love it myself, but it appears to definitely be a thing, going by Oda's SBS answer on Garp's punch hurting Luffy indeed being love and not Haki, and Sanji defying the laws of physics in destroying Kizaru's laser.

I have no doubt Kuma saving Bonney was powered by PoL.

I also believe Rouge was able to carry Ace for 20 months because of PoL.

imo PoL is related to Haki, but it's not necessarily its own branch.