Powers & Abilities So it is no problem for these characters to have CoC, but for some reason it is a problem for these guys

DarkWitch

DarkWitch

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The suicidal crying drunk Kaido:

The Fat Childish Big Mom who got flipped over by Jinbe and rolled away by Robin:

The Deranged Oden Wannabe who can't be her own character:

Kid who got confirmed to have CoC but never once used it during the Wano arc:

Imu the supposed final villain of the series who was shaking in his shadowy boots over Joy Boy's CoC:

The idiot Oden who fell for Orochi and Kaido's trick:


So it is no problem that all those characters have CoC but when it comes to the Admirals, apparently that is going too far and they can't have it.

It is also no problem that Zoro has CoC even though he didn't find out until the Elbaf arc:

Gaban who is Sanji's parallel of the Roger Pirates also has CoC:

Both Ray and Gaban have CoC, Zoro who is Ray's parallel has CoC.

But for some reason Sanji himself isn't allowed to have CoC.


Then you have those who are fine with Usopp potentially having CoC even though he has been very lackluster for a very long time.
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Or those who have no problem with box moving Jinbe potentially having CoC.
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But again Sanji having CoC? Nah get the fuck out of here.:kuzanope:

Like what?:lawsigh:

There is always countless of excuses I see for why the Admirals and Sanji can't have CoC.:ultimoji:

The Admirals are the strongest fighting power of the World Government.

And Sanji is Luffy's Shield and along with Zoro is the wings of the future Pirate King.

I see no problem for the Admirals and Sanji having CoC.:Tou_Cheers:

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RyoQ

RyoQ

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The standards for who receives CoC fell off a while ago. Loda is trash and will give it to anyone he feels like

Anyone can get it and we should absolutely expect all 5 Admiral (top of the world position only 5 max can hold out of the billions of people in OP world) or Sanji (royal blood and PK left-hand man) to get it
 
soupongo

soupongo

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Zoro and Sanji were doing fuck all in the east blue before they met Luffy, with dreams that don't really involve conquering any countries or even challenging the government/Yonko even. There's no real reason for them to have it other then the fact that they have to become top tiers in their early 20s while you have guys training for decades.
 
kekaro

kekaro

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The reason for admirals and sanji not getting is not based on story or being mad oda for being at "rules of coc" for the 99% but on agenda
if you made 1 million post on them not getting coc and wrote haki desertation you obviosuly gonna get clowned on

This is also one of the rare agenda brainrot things that goes beyond this forum this is a point where probally most of the powerscaling fandom would take their biggest L

Remeber couple years ago people were saying YC 1 = admiral and Ling = Eos sanji :risisure:People memory holed that shit because how stupid that is
 
Guymieux

Guymieux

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soupongo said:
Zoro and Sanji were doing fuck all in the east blue before they met Luffy, with dreams that don't really involve conquering any countries or even challenging the government/Yonko even. There's no real reason for them to have it other then the fact that they have to become top tiers in their early 20s while you have guys training for decades.
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Zoro wants to be the world’s strongest in something . Are you high?
 
Cozy Sofa

Cozy Sofa

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soupongo said:
Zoro and Sanji were doing fuck all in the east blue before they met Luffy, with dreams that don't really involve conquering any countries or even challenging the government/Yonko even. There's no real reason for them to have it other then the fact that they have to become top tiers in their early 20s while you have guys training for decades.
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Zoro was actively looking for Mihawk, and even when he met him in East Blue he refused to run away. Took the slash prepared to die. Sanji cried his eyes out and lost his voice pleading with Zoro to run away and forget his pride.

Not to put Sanji down but you are talking about one of the most obvious CoC candidates vs someone with no such feats. Of course, with Gaban having it so will Sanji but it's more to do with Oda soon handing it out left and right rather than him being a true conqueror.
 
soupongo

soupongo

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Guymieux said:
Zoro wants to be the world’s strongest in something . Are you high?
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translation, he has no ambition of conquering anything
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Cozy Sofa said:
Zoro was actively looking for Mihawk, and even when he met him in East Blue he refused to run away. Took the slash prepared to die. Sanji cried his eyes out and lost his voice pleading with Zoro to run away and forget his pride.

Not to put Sanji down but you are talking about one of the most obvious CoC candidates vs someone with no such feats. Of course, with Gaban having it so will Sanji but it's more to do with Oda soon handing it out left and right rather than him being a true conqueror.
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Zoro having kings Haki would be reasonable if he wanted to take Mihawks castle,his island, his baboons and kill/imprison Mihawk, just like Doffy did to King RIku. That is the "qualities of a king"

Not fearing death would maybe be relevant if this was "soldiers haki". How is Zoro being willing to die any different from a soldier in Alabasta being willing to die in a war? How is it any different from Bellmere being willing to die?
 
Cozy Sofa

Cozy Sofa

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soupongo said:
translation, he has no ambition of conquering anything
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Zoro having kings Haki would be reasonable if he wanted to take Mihawks castle,his island, his baboons and kill/imprison Mihawk, just like Doffy did to King RIku. That is the "qualities of a king"

Not fearing death would maybe be relevant if this was "soldiers haki". How is Zoro being willing to die any different from a soldier in Alabasta being willing to die in a war? How is it any different from Bellmere being willing to die?
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Dont take my word for it, ask the OP World. From Don Krieg to Gaban it's clear how characters view Zoro and Sanji respectively. One incites fear and respect – traits of blood lusted conquerors – the other is brushed off.

And how it differs? It's one thing being willing to die to protect. It's another willing to die to conquer.

There are very few characters with that will to fight or die. Sanji 100 % would have gone the Apoo or Hawkins route rather than Kidds route. We saw it vs Big Mom and Capone.
 
soupongo

soupongo

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Cozy Sofa said:
Dont take my word for it, ask the OP World. From Don Krieg to Gaban it's clear how characters view Zoro and Sanji respectively. One incites fear and respect – traits of blood lusted conquerors – the other is brushed off.

And how it differs? It's one thing being willing to die to protect. It's another willing to die to conquer.

There are very few characters with that will to fight or die. Sanji 100 % would have gone the Apoo or Hawkins route rather than Kidds route. We saw it vs Big Mom and Capone.
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Zoro has the strongest willpower as shown in thriller bark, above Luffys, imo he should have the strongest armament Haki because of that
Conquers Haki is about asserting your will on others, so Luffy should be the only SH with that, since he's the one who became the emperor
in the SBS way back when Sanji was supposed to have the best observation Haki, and I don't think there was too much substance for that.

This approach makes more sense IMO, giving all three COC feels wrong. A crew with multiple COC users should be like Rocks, they're constantly trying to kill eachother. I don't think it makes sense to have multiple COC users on the Roger pirates/ SHP when they're all so loyal. Plus, Killer isnt confirmed to have kings Haki, but he did fight Kaido and took the torture, so I don't know if COC is a requirement tbh
 
Cozy Sofa

Cozy Sofa

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soupongo said:
Zoro has the strongest willpower as shown in thriller bark, above Luffys, imo he should have the strongest armament Haki because of that
Conquers Haki is about asserting your will on others, so Luffy should be the only SH with that, since he's the one who became the emperor
in the SBS way back when Sanji was supposed to have the best observation Haki, and I don't think there was too much substance for that.

This approach makes more sense IMO, giving all three COC feels wrong. A crew with multiple COC users should be like Rocks, they're constantly trying to kill eachother. I don't think it makes sense to have multiple COC users on the Roger pirates/ SHP when they're all so loyal. Plus, Killer isnt confirmed to have kings Haki, but he did fight Kaido and took the torture, so I don't know if COC is a requirement tbh
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Killer as a Zoro, Oden, Beckmann parallell (i.e. partner) could very well have it. His title is different than for example King or Marco. But to me, he has yet to show real traits of a conqueror.

In my view someone like Hody Jones is a very good candidate. Never bowed down, never negotiated.

It's not about power level but rather indomitable will. These guys rarely accept to be under someone else, that is what makes someone like Rocks, Roger, Luffy or BB so special. Even CoC users can accept being under them, and I think a big part is because they grant them full freedom.

Broken conquerors could be Moriah, Crocodile. They didnt fully give up but they chose different scheming paths far from their primes. Almost all of them have to settle and build for a while anyways, at some point, even Big Mom and Kaido but those two perhaps gave up a bit more than their yonko counterparts who admittedly also got complacent.
 
Z-Saber

Z-Saber

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Its been time to drop the idea that conqueror's haki requires some grand ambition if you ask me. Clearly it isn't at all tied to what you want to do but more so if you have the will to seize it by any means necessary. Going by numerous examples, there are plenty of conqueror's haki users who have simple ambitions.
 
Terra Arseid7

Terra Arseid7

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soupongo said:
Zoro has the strongest willpower as shown in thriller bark, above Luffys, imo he should have the strongest armament Haki because of that
Conquers Haki is about asserting your will on others, so Luffy should be the only SH with that, since he's the one who became the emperor
in the SBS way back when Sanji was supposed to have the best observation Haki, and I don't think there was too much substance for that.

This approach makes more sense IMO, giving all three COC feels wrong. A crew with multiple COC users should be like Rocks, they're constantly trying to kill eachother. I don't think it makes sense to have multiple COC users on the Roger pirates/ SHP when they're all so loyal. Plus, Killer isnt confirmed to have kings Haki, but he did fight Kaido and took the torture, so I don't know if COC is a requirement tbh
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