Controversial General Political Discussion

[Finalbeta]

You guys overestimate China tbh , they don’t want to burn themselves in Middle East they will observe things from outside and supply weapons . They still want to be business partner with US .

Chinese people are pragmatic, they are logical people who take the right steps at the right moment.

This is a critical moment in the modern geopolitical history, so I'm quite confident they are cooking.

I'm sure they understand that the US is more corrupted than the Eastern powers that don't support the West lol.

That doesn't mean they want to oppose the West firmly like Russia is doing of course... but they are smart enough not to let Western hegemony over the Middle East increase.

Not by chance the Middle East is a huge oil source for China, but making deals with the US is less ideal.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

You mean NE Indians? they're brainwashed by their colonial western missionaries.

I’ve mostly seen it from hindutva bros who see Israel as it’s allies against a common Islamic enemy.

 

[Finalbeta]

I’ve mostly seen it from hindutva bros who see Israel as it’s allies against a common Islamic enemy.

Yep a lot of them are brainwashed by the same Western supremacist ideology that makes them see Pakistan as an inferior country that India must rule over.

 

[Okamakama]

Europe was just like this less than 100 years ago lol

Chill. I was not saying there was something endemically wrong with the Middle-East and its people. Additionally, in no way have I stated that Europe never has, or has had issues.

I was asking a rhetorical question, as we all know why it happens. There are so many vested interests, both external and internal, that causes the Middle-East to become a hotbed of problems.

It uses stereotypical music as a starting point to further explore the middle east's misrepresentation by Hollywood and the west in general. It's an entertaining and funny video too and no dry uni lecture.

Cheers. I'll give this a watch when I have time.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

The main issue with Zionism is that it's based on and funded by Western supremacist ideology. The Palestinians and other Arabs in the Middle East who are firmly opposed to it are considered Amalek by Zionists.

Most Zionists consider Palestinians human animals and they care about the few hostages left in the hands of Hamas more than the entire Gaza population.

A way to fight Zionism is by keeping expose the Gaza genocide and land grab in the West Bank so that more and more Western citizens can open their eyes so that the Western support for Israel is slowly weakened.

The problem is that this way is too slow.

The other is true brute strenght, but apart from a 12 days war Iran fought (and was imposed on) Eastern powers do not care enough to go to war with Israel and the US.

If I was China I would pressure Iran to build nukes so that they don't need to contain themselves when they fight Israel in fear of a nuclear strike.

The US attack on nuclear facilities was an insuccess so they have the ability to build them in months if they wished so.

The thing is, Zionism isn’t a unique ‘evil’ ideology. It’s merely Jewish nationalism.

Iran isnt that different. It’s merely a Shia Islamic nationalist nation.

Whereas Zionist dehumanize Palestinians, desiring to take their land. Their is a similar, albeit different, dehumanization on the Islamic nationalist side. Where Palestinians are basically seen as pawns/martyrs to be used against Israel.

Which is why Palestinians are stateless. Israel doesn’t want them, but similarly, neither are the surrounding countries willing to accept them. They will cry about a genocide, but will refuse to give citizenship/asylum to the very victims of the purported genocide.

basically leading to a perpetual conflict

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Really you need a successor to the Ottoman Empire to bring peace to the Middle East. A force powerful enough to conquer every other country in the region, and unify them under one rule.

Frankly I don’t think Israel or Iran is capable of this.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

What? Aladdin's flying carpet?

LOL

If you ever feel up to it, do a deep dive into Gilgamesh's tomb. Super interesting stuff.

That's the only funny part of the "Iraq has WMDs" bullshit. Nukes? Nah.

But ancient weapons of mass destruction hidden in ancient archeology?

Bingo bongo.

I should pull some sources together... the excavation of the Arcs is also a reason. Long story short this is technology with serious Electromagnetic properties that when handled badly can lead to a lot of people experiencing unhappy zappy zappy death death.

As much as I detest the US Government, I can at least understand why they feared Middle Eastern governments fucking around with the ancient tech.

The oil was always a cover to seduce criminal rich types into supporting the war. The real players? The "top minds"?

They want what was buried under ancient natural disasters, ie floods (some water, some mud floods). The Pyramids are just the surface remnants of that ancient civilization. There's plenty more of it buried underneath our feet.

Are you aware of the US's use of DUMBS, Deep Underground Military Bases?

That's why. They're excavating the ancient tech to weaponize it. The "arms race" isn't just about advancing science; it's about stealing science from the past.

 

[Finalbeta]

The thing is, Zionism isn’t a unique ‘evil’ ideology. It’s merely Jewish nationalism.

Iran isnt that different. It’s merely a Shia Islamic nationalist nation.

Whereas Zionist dehumanize Palestinians, desiring to take their land. Their is a similar, albeit different, dehumanization on the Islamic nationalist side. Where Palestinians are basically seen as pawns/martyrs to be used against Israel.

Which is why Palestinians are stateless. Israel doesn’t want them, but similarly, neither are the surrounding countries willing to accept them. They will cry about a genocide, but will refuse to give citizenship/asylum to the very victims of the purported genocide.

basically leading to a perpetual conflict

Zionism goes well beyond the desire of Jewish people to have a piece of land. Unfortunately it is a tool for Western regimes to exert their power and influence over a sensitive portion of the world which is the Middle East.

There are lots of people in Israel who are not even Jewish and Orthodox Jews in Israel oppose Zionism.

Zionism has done a lot of damage in the bodies and minds of people all across the world, not just the Middle East.

 

[Okamakama]

LOL

If you ever feel up to it, do a deep dive into Gilgamesh's tomb. Super interesting stuff.

That's the only funny part of the "Iraq has WMDs" bullshit. Nukes? Nah.

But ancient weapons of mass destruction hidden in ancient archeology?

Bingo bongo.

I should pull some sources together... the excavation of the Arcs is also a reason. Long story short this is technology with serious Electromagnetic properties that when handled badly can lead to a lot of people experiencing unhappy zappy zappy death death.

As much as I detest the US Government, I can at least understand why they feared Middle Eastern governments fucking around with the ancient tech.

The oil was always a cover to seduce criminal rich types into supporting the war. The real players? The "top minds"?

They want what was buried under ancient natural disasters, ie floods (some water, some mud floods). The Pyramids are just the surface remnants of that ancient civilization. There's plenty more of it buried underneath our feet.

Are you aware of the US's use of DUMBS, Deep Underground Military Bases?

That's why. They're excavating the ancient tech to weaponize it. The "arms race" isn't just about advancing science; it's about stealing science from the past.

*Squints*

I am uncertain this is true, but for the sake of wonderment and mystery in this world I am going to believe it nonetheless.

Consider me intrigued, Madam/Sir Clown.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

*Squints*

I am uncertain this is true, but for the sake of wonderment and mystery in this world I am going to believe it nonetheless.

Consider me intrigued, Madam/Sir Clown.

Our true history is much more wild, terrible, and wonderful than we've been led to believe.

The Indian religious texts describe the tech they were using, it just sounds so batshit insane that most people assume it's impossible.

But, look at the tech we're creating: magic was always just advanced science/spirituality.

The elements that rule our societies are remnants of these ancient civilizations, who hid their tech/knowledge, then used it to regain power once life began to rebuild post war. The Flood that wiped out the civilizations was the Younger Dryas around 12,000 years ago; the war that used a lot of nukes was 7,500 years ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/1lhv5ge
That's why these creepy losers are in power: thanks to the knowledge they got from ancient civilizations, they have a very high level understanding of how the world works.

This is also why there are so many ancient libraries they won't let plebians into: Tibetan stuff, the Vatican's catacombs, the Egyptian tombs, etc.

Our ancestors understood how the world worked, but chose war over peace, blew the shit out of each other and the planet, and we're still suffering from the aftershocks.

In some ways, that war never really ended.

Authors/guides like Oda use stories to encourage people to uncover/research this history. Robin/Vegapunk serve to get us to research our history that has been stolen from us.

They are allusions to the many scholars and scientists who have been murdered/silenced for trying to uncover the truth and throwing mud on ridiculous official narratives that make no sense.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Zionism goes well beyond the desire of Jewish people to have a piece of land. Unfortunately it is a tool for Western regimes to exert their power and influence over a sensitive portion of the world which is the Middle East.

Still fail to see how it’s any different from other forms of nationalism. Islamic nationalism does literally the same thing.

Orthodox Jews in Israel oppose Zionism.
.

Eh not really

most Orthodox Jews believe in something called religious Zionism. They believe Zionism is a fundamental part of Judaism.

However, there are a handful of Jews known as the haredim, the ultra orthodox, who may or may not oppose Zionism on religious grounds.

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Our true history is much more wild, terrible, and wonderful than we've been led to believe.

The Indian religious texts describe the tech they were using, it just sounds so batshit insane that most people assume it's impossible.

Maybe

Or like Oda, they could have simply been writing fiction

 

[Finalbeta]

Still fail to see how it’s any different from other forms of nationalism. Islamic nationalism does literally the same thing.



Eh not really

most Orthodox Jews believe in something called religious Zionism. They believe Zionism is a fundamental part of Judaism.

However, there are a handful of Jews known as the haredim, the ultra orthodox, who may or may not oppose Zionism on religious grounds.

Except Islamic nationalism is not based upon supremacy over other countries..

Of course not all Orthodox Jews are against Zionism, but a combination of The Three Oaths and Secular Zionism still makes a portion of them against it, and their voice is slowly growing among Jewish groups after realizing that Zionism is becoming less and less about religion and the right to have a land and more and more about political supremacism.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Except Islamic nationalism is not based upon supremacy over other countries..

all forms of nationalism involve some level of supremacist beliefs.

Especially if you want to establish a state religion or give certain religions special privileges.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Chinese people are pragmatic, they are logical people who take the right steps at the right moment.

This is a critical moment in the modern geopolitical history, so I'm quite confident they are cooking.

I'm sure they understand that the US is more corrupted than the Eastern powers that don't support the West lol.

That doesn't mean they want to oppose the West firmly like Russia is doing of course... but they are smart enough not to let Western hegemony over the Middle East increase.

Not by chance the Middle East is a huge oil source for China, but making deals with the US is less ideal.

Trump is an idiot but he knows if he enters into the business of war it will finish him this is one of the reason he was elected .

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Except Islamic nationalism is not based upon supremacy over other countries..

Of course not all Orthodox Jews are against Zionism, but a combination of The Three Oaths and Secular Zionism still makes a portion of them against it, and their voice is slowly growing among Jewish groups after realizing that Zionism is becoming less and less about religion and the right to have a land and more and more about political supremacism.

Ottoman Empire ever heard of em .

 

[Okamakama]

I recommend this video

It uses stereotypical music as a starting point to further explore the middle east's misrepresentation by Hollywood and the west in general. It's an entertaining and funny video too and no dry uni lecture.

Just got through this now. That was banging and informative. I've just experienced culture. Had no idea about orientalistic music and how dissonant it was with actual Middle-Eastern music. I also now know the name of that iconic instrument: Duduk.

Cheers for recommending it.
(Was pretty funny too).

 

[NikaInParis]

Still fail to see how it’s any different from other forms of nationalism. Islamic nationalism does literally the same thing.



Eh not really

most Orthodox Jews believe in something called religious Zionism. They believe Zionism is a fundamental part of Judaism.

However, there are a handful of Jews known as the haredim, the ultra orthodox, who may or may not oppose Zionism on religious grounds.

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Maybe

Or like Oda, they could have simply been writing fiction

Islamic nationalism would be an oxymoron - Islam isn't a nation (nor a race) while Zionism applies to Jews who are both a religious and ethnic group

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

but also, these are the same guys who think Hitler was a good guy because he was anti-Britain

I remember well how the phenomenon of Hitler loving Indians was downplayed and not taken seriously by German media 10+ years ago and were portrayed as gullible naive nation on another continent that had never hears of WWII.

All this deception for the strengtheningof ecpnomic ties with India. Like how China got a free pass for Xinjiang concentration camps and human rights abuses to protect the economic relationship.
The news are so manipulative ,the way certain events and groups are framed to influence the citizens' opinions.
Read an article in English some time ago about the Myanmar civil war with some of the key groups introduced and the framing was off the charts. Was from a 'reputable newspaper' too, I don't remember which one exactly. Civil engineering is s serious problem.

Gilgamesh

You misspelled David

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Islamic nationalism would be an oxymoron - Islam isn't a nation (nor a race) while Zionism applies to Jews who are both a religious and ethnic group

all religions have nationalist movements

why do you think there are so many countries that call themselves “Islamic republics”

 

[NikaInParis]

all religions have nationalist movements

why do you think there are so many countries that call themselves “Islamic republics”

Because the state law they apply is islamic law?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

all religions have nationalist movements

why do you think there are so many countries that call themselves “Islamic republics”

It's just this guy crawling out of the woodworks again to defend Islam, nothing new under the sun.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Because the state law they apply is islamic law?

that’s a form of religious nationalism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_nationalism