Character Discussion Jack should have been defeated at the end of Zou arc

#21
Jack's fate was doomed when he struggled against opponents who were equal to clowns like Kinemon and Kanjuro who were shitting their pants at Pica.

Inu and Neko should have been apart of the Nine Red Scabbards tbh. Then Jack wouldn't be dragged down so hard either.

To make things worse, it's not even about that he got defeated by one of the Scabbards but HOW he got defeated. No named techniques. Sulong Inu and Neko treated him like a fodder. Ashura Doji easily cut through his blades in a single moment and Jack needed to be treated afterwards either.
Kinemon is weaker than the Dukes
 
#22
When the Queen and King were introduced, with Jack acknowledging them as "senior brothers" while he was sort of the little brother, I went crazy because I had Jack as this absurd monster established in my mind and if these two called him little brother with Jack being obedient to them, imagine how strong they are. lol

Especially the lunarian design was probably crazy to see
 

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#23
Jack should have been defeated right there:

The differences:
1. We only remember Jack as the unstoppable beast in Zou arc. The best Calamity. No more little puppy of Wano Jack.
2. Zou Jack ran through a gauntlet. Yet normal means couldn't defeat this mammoth. Only hax involving ancient creature like Zunisha could only take him out.
That would boost Jack's dick size into same level with Vergo and Kaido.

You either died a hero like Vergod, or live too long to become a meme like Wano Jack.

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I think Jack getting defeated, and then King coming to rescue him would have been really cool.

Zoro clashes with King and gets obliterated, building up their rivalry. King leaves without anyone even scarring him, and everyone wonders what the fuck just happened.

IMO, Jack should have also beaten both Neko and Inu, but then lost to them joining forces together, and then he had to break out the gas once it was a 2 v 1.
 
#25
When the Queen and King were introduced, with Jack acknowledging them as "senior brothers" while he was sort of the little brother, I went crazy because I had Jack as this absurd monster established in my mind and if these two called him little brother with Jack being obedient to them, imagine how strong they are. lol

I'm sure that was many fans reaction to at the time. The problem is how they were treated afterwards. At no point, post their introduction were they more threatening than Jack was in Zou.

So, Jack was ruined and they were terrible replacements. And now all the calamities are trash.
 
#26
Agreed. Would've been way better. I also could've accepted Sulong Inu and Neko washing him on the rooftop. The rest was just unnecessary and bad.
 
#27
I'm sure that was many fans reaction to at the time. The problem is how they were treated afterwards. At no point, post their introduction were they more threatening than Jack was in Zou.

So, Jack was ruined and they were terrible replacements. And now all the calamities are trash.
I'd say King was fine after what he did to Big Mom's crew, Oda thought it would be enough for him after all, while he gave Queen a mini arc in Udon.

Oda should have treated King and Queen as Jack giving the 3 a mini arc like Jack in Zou so that they finally fall into the war in Onigashima
 
#28
When the Queen and King were introduced, with Jack acknowledging them as "senior brothers" while he was sort of the little brother, I went crazy because I had Jack as this absurd monster established in my mind and if these two called him little brother with Jack being obedient to them, imagine how strong they are. lol

I mean, King sort of lived up to the hype(at least in the anime).

Queen...not so much.
 
#29
Nah Jack was fine. He was a good measuring stick to how powerful the Calamities were. Literally he himself was significantly weaker from King and Queen yet magnitudes stronger than Pero who got massive hype in WCI.
 
#30
Nah Jack was fine. He was a good measuring stick to how powerful the Calamities were. Literally he himself was significantly weaker from King and Queen yet magnitudes stronger than Pero who got massive hype in WCI.


> One was defeated by Inuarashi, one was defeated by Nekomamushi, dukes are equal, difficulty was more or less the same.
> "magnitudes stronger than Pero"
 
#39
I think Jack getting defeated, and then King coming to rescue him would have been really cool.

Zoro clashes with King and gets obliterated, building up their rivalry. King leaves without anyone even scarring him, and everyone wonders what the fuck just happened.

IMO, Jack should have also beaten both Neko and Inu, but then lost to them joining forces together, and then he had to break out the gas once it was a 2 v 1.
Agreed. Would have been win for both king and Jack.
 
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