Future Events Shanks& Cross Guild "Alliance" Is a More Likely Final Obstacle For OP Than Blackbeard
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I think CL²³oda has been doing a great job with BB crew storywise. Sadly they have been extremely underwhelming fighting-wise. Time and time again the titanic captains underperformed, with Kuzan and Lafitte being the sole exceptions (the latter by avoiding doing anything). A case can be made for Burgess and Shiliew but they certainly didn't shine either.
Dressrosa, Amazon Lily, Kuzan flashback and Garp attack on Hachinosu destroyed any hype to make Koby, Law's crew, Sabo, Boa Hancock and Kuzan (!?) look good. How did he even consider this a good idea is beyond me. Kuzan is the only competent and tested BB pirate as of today, which is absurd since we all know he is a good guy.
Teach becoming the new Imu and granting his crew members HK-like powers works, but it certainly isn't my favorite scenario. Such a cheap "solution". (HK Kuzan would be a sight to behold honestly
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I must say I prefer Ben Beckman even over HK Lafitte/Burgess/Picazarro as Sanji's opponent
Dressrosa, Amazon Lily, Kuzan flashback and Garp attack on Hachinosu destroyed any hype to make Koby, Law's crew, Sabo, Boa Hancock and Kuzan (!?) look good. How did he even consider this a good idea is beyond me. Kuzan is the only competent and tested BB pirate as of today, which is absurd since we all know he is a good guy.
Teach becoming the new Imu and granting his crew members HK-like powers works, but it certainly isn't my favorite scenario. Such a cheap "solution". (HK Kuzan would be a sight to behold honestly
)I must say I prefer Ben Beckman even over HK Lafitte/Burgess/Picazarro as Sanji's opponent
I don't mean a real alliance. I mean as in terms of Strawhats needing to fight both of the crews at the same time in the 3 crew battle royale for the One Piece.
This line up for the final fights to claim the one piece makes MUCH more sense
than these BUMS:
both narrative and powerscaling wise.
Shanks
Goofy beating Shanks who is just Roger 2.0 will be a heavy handed symbolism that he surpassed Roger and is worthy of being next Pirate King and their cringe promise.
Not to mention Goofy left Shanks as the last yonko he wants to beat by showing 3 fingers and closing 4th one.
Mihawk
Unironically the strongest case for this post.
Everyone with a half a brain knows that Cross Guild exists only so that Zoro could fight Mihawk. That's it. They have no other function. Oda created this crew and FORCED Mihawk to go after One Piece so that he could fight Zoro on Laugh Tale.
And Zoro has to become WSS BEFORE Goofy becomes PK, otherwise it will make Goofy look bad:
And since we know that Zoro beats his opponents faster than Goofy, Zoro will be WSS before Goofy beats Shanks and becomes PK.
Beckman
He makes sense for Sanji only due to powerscaling reasons and there's no one else strong enough left for either to fight.
Like it or not, Oda wanks Ben and gives him special treatment. Even as something as simple as him having his own solo rectangle while everyone besides Goofy and Shanks has to share:
Call him databookman, but it won't change the fact that it was said he was comparable to Shanks:
In the end making all 3 opponents for M3 similar level:
Shanks ~ Mihawk ~ Ben
Beating Ben will make Sanji stand shoulder to shoulder with Goofy and Zoro, just like Roger, Ray and Gaban did.
Fulfilling the "wings of Pirate King" shit.
Blackbeard pirates
They make no sense to be final fights for PK throne neither powerscaling wise nor narratively.
They only had chance with Kuzan, but anyone with a half a brain knows that Kuzan will leave and not fight for them in the end.
You can cope all you want about how strong BB is, but you can't gaslight me into believing bums like Shiryu and Lafitte are stronger than Mihawk and Ben Backman or even close to them. Zoro ain't gonna go from fighting Mihawk to fighting Janitoryu. Nor beating them gives anything emotionally nor narratively to Zoro, Sanji.
And obviously basic power progression means that weaker villains have to fall before stronger ones.
That's why it's only logical that after Elbaf, BB pirates are the next villains and they will fight for the 4th poneglyph.
People gaslighted this fanbase into believing BB pirates will fight Shanks and kill him because he's a mentor or some shit and that happened in other series, creating some generic "tragedy":
The ONLY way I can see BB pirates being fight after Shanks/CrossGuild and battle for the One Piece is IF they arrive to Laugh Tale after Goofy/Zoro/Sanji and everyone else finished fighting and they will use the opportunity that Goofy Zoro Sanji are half dead and exhausted.
This way powerscaling actually might make sense. Example:
Zoro being half dead and having to fight a weak but sneaky fighter like Shiryu actually evens out things. And BB can kill already defeated Shanks
End of post.
This line up for the final fights to claim the one piece makes MUCH more sense
than these BUMS:
both narrative and powerscaling wise.
Shanks
Goofy beating Shanks who is just Roger 2.0 will be a heavy handed symbolism that he surpassed Roger and is worthy of being next Pirate King and their cringe promise.
Not to mention Goofy left Shanks as the last yonko he wants to beat by showing 3 fingers and closing 4th one.
Mihawk
Unironically the strongest case for this post.
Everyone with a half a brain knows that Cross Guild exists only so that Zoro could fight Mihawk. That's it. They have no other function. Oda created this crew and FORCED Mihawk to go after One Piece so that he could fight Zoro on Laugh Tale.
And Zoro has to become WSS BEFORE Goofy becomes PK, otherwise it will make Goofy look bad:
And since we know that Zoro beats his opponents faster than Goofy, Zoro will be WSS before Goofy beats Shanks and becomes PK.
Beckman
He makes sense for Sanji only due to powerscaling reasons and there's no one else strong enough left for either to fight.
Like it or not, Oda wanks Ben and gives him special treatment. Even as something as simple as him having his own solo rectangle while everyone besides Goofy and Shanks has to share:
Call him databookman, but it won't change the fact that it was said he was comparable to Shanks:
In the end making all 3 opponents for M3 similar level:
Shanks ~ Mihawk ~ Ben
Beating Ben will make Sanji stand shoulder to shoulder with Goofy and Zoro, just like Roger, Ray and Gaban did.
Fulfilling the "wings of Pirate King" shit.
Blackbeard pirates
They make no sense to be final fights for PK throne neither powerscaling wise nor narratively.
They only had chance with Kuzan, but anyone with a half a brain knows that Kuzan will leave and not fight for them in the end.
You can cope all you want about how strong BB is, but you can't gaslight me into believing bums like Shiryu and Lafitte are stronger than Mihawk and Ben Backman or even close to them. Zoro ain't gonna go from fighting Mihawk to fighting Janitoryu. Nor beating them gives anything emotionally nor narratively to Zoro, Sanji.
And obviously basic power progression means that weaker villains have to fall before stronger ones.
That's why it's only logical that after Elbaf, BB pirates are the next villains and they will fight for the 4th poneglyph.
People gaslighted this fanbase into believing BB pirates will fight Shanks and kill him because he's a mentor or some shit and that happened in other series, creating some generic "tragedy":
The ONLY way I can see BB pirates being fight after Shanks/CrossGuild and battle for the One Piece is IF they arrive to Laugh Tale after Goofy/Zoro/Sanji and everyone else finished fighting and they will use the opportunity that Goofy Zoro Sanji are half dead and exhausted.
This way powerscaling actually might make sense. Example:
Zoro being half dead and having to fight a weak but sneaky fighter like Shiryu actually evens out things. And BB can kill already defeated Shanks
End of post.
The only thing that can save the BB is Oda revealing that Teach actually taught them all how to eat two DFs and in the middle of their fights they all reveal their second dfs
or Teach has some way to automatically awaken any DF so all the BB pirates are yet to get their full powers
meh… The fight for the treasure that will save the world has to have stakes… that’s just basic writing
or Teach has some way to automatically awaken any DF so all the BB pirates are yet to get their full powers
meh… The fight for the treasure that will save the world has to have stakes… that’s just basic writing
I’ve thought about this scenario more times than I can count, I can’t deny the matchups are super convincing. When I consider the BB pirates obsession with devil fruit power and the ambiguity surrounding Kuzan it always felt hard to believe them actually toppling the RHP and Oda keeps interfering with their meeting I feel like for a reason, the Strawhats would have truly proved themselves as yonko by defeating them. The Crossguild situation as well really makes you think, 100% they were put together so Zoro can realistically run into Mihawk as an adversary without deterring the crew’s journey, as well as as getting Buggy to compete with Shanks and Luffy by connecting him to strong people, his strongest man literally used to rival Shanks. I also always used to think who’s going to be the big shot pirate for Sanji to take on and Beckman is actually a perfect idea they actually share some similarities on the surface, they smoke, they’re ladies men, they’re meant to stand shoulder to shoulder with their boss while not being people with big titles or status, and what’s interesting is normally this would be a Zoro opponent but the man doesn’t use swords. This has always been a dream scenario for me I wonder what Oda will actually do.
I don't mean a real alliance. I mean as in terms of Strawhats needing to fight both of the crews at the same time in the 3 crew battle royale for the One Piece.
This line up for the final fights to claim the one piece makes MUCH more sense
than these BUMS:
both narrative and powerscaling wise.
Shanks
Goofy beating Shanks who is just Roger 2.0 will be a heavy handed symbolism that he surpassed Roger and is worthy of being next Pirate King and their cringe promise.
Not to mention Goofy left Shanks as the last yonko he wants to beat by showing 3 fingers and closing 4th one.
Mihawk
Unironically the strongest case for this post.
Everyone with a half a brain knows that Cross Guild exists only so that Zoro could fight Mihawk. That's it. They have no other function. Oda created this crew and FORCED Mihawk to go after One Piece so that he could fight Zoro on Laugh Tale.
And Zoro has to become WSS BEFORE Goofy becomes PK, otherwise it will make Goofy look bad:
And since we know that Zoro beats his opponents faster than Goofy, Zoro will be WSS before Goofy beats Shanks and becomes PK.
Beckman
He makes sense for Sanji only due to powerscaling reasons and there's no one else strong enough left for either to fight.
Like it or not, Oda wanks Ben and gives him special treatment. Even as something as simple as him having his own solo rectangle while everyone besides Goofy and Shanks has to share:
Call him databookman, but it won't change the fact that it was said he was comparable to Shanks:
In the end making all 3 opponents for M3 similar level:
Shanks ~ Mihawk ~ Ben
Beating Ben will make Sanji stand shoulder to shoulder with Goofy and Zoro, just like Roger, Ray and Gaban did.
Fulfilling the "wings of Pirate King" shit.
Blackbeard pirates
They make no sense to be final fights for PK throne neither powerscaling wise nor narratively.
They only had chance with Kuzan, but anyone with a half a brain knows that Kuzan will leave and not fight for them in the end.
You can cope all you want about how strong BB is, but you can't gaslight me into believing bums like Shiryu and Lafitte are stronger than Mihawk and Ben Backman or even close to them. Zoro ain't gonna go from fighting Mihawk to fighting Janitoryu. Nor beating them gives anything emotionally nor narratively to Zoro, Sanji.
And obviously basic power progression means that weaker villains have to fall before stronger ones.
That's why it's only logical that after Elbaf, BB pirates are the next villains and they will fight for the 4th poneglyph.
People gaslighted this fanbase into believing BB pirates will fight Shanks and kill him because he's a mentor or some shit and that happened in other series, creating some generic "tragedy":
The ONLY way I can see BB pirates being fight after Shanks/CrossGuild and battle for the One Piece is IF they arrive to Laugh Tale after Goofy/Zoro/Sanji and everyone else finished fighting and they will use the opportunity that Goofy Zoro Sanji are half dead and exhausted.
This way powerscaling actually might make sense. Example:
Zoro being half dead and having to fight a weak but sneaky fighter like Shiryu actually evens out things. And BB can kill already defeated Shanks
End of post.
This line up for the final fights to claim the one piece makes MUCH more sense
than these BUMS:
both narrative and powerscaling wise.
Shanks
Goofy beating Shanks who is just Roger 2.0 will be a heavy handed symbolism that he surpassed Roger and is worthy of being next Pirate King and their cringe promise.
Not to mention Goofy left Shanks as the last yonko he wants to beat by showing 3 fingers and closing 4th one.
Mihawk
Unironically the strongest case for this post.
Everyone with a half a brain knows that Cross Guild exists only so that Zoro could fight Mihawk. That's it. They have no other function. Oda created this crew and FORCED Mihawk to go after One Piece so that he could fight Zoro on Laugh Tale.
And Zoro has to become WSS BEFORE Goofy becomes PK, otherwise it will make Goofy look bad:
And since we know that Zoro beats his opponents faster than Goofy, Zoro will be WSS before Goofy beats Shanks and becomes PK.
Beckman
He makes sense for Sanji only due to powerscaling reasons and there's no one else strong enough left for either to fight.
Like it or not, Oda wanks Ben and gives him special treatment. Even as something as simple as him having his own solo rectangle while everyone besides Goofy and Shanks has to share:
Call him databookman, but it won't change the fact that it was said he was comparable to Shanks:
In the end making all 3 opponents for M3 similar level:
Shanks ~ Mihawk ~ Ben
Beating Ben will make Sanji stand shoulder to shoulder with Goofy and Zoro, just like Roger, Ray and Gaban did.
Fulfilling the "wings of Pirate King" shit.
Blackbeard pirates
They make no sense to be final fights for PK throne neither powerscaling wise nor narratively.
They only had chance with Kuzan, but anyone with a half a brain knows that Kuzan will leave and not fight for them in the end.
You can cope all you want about how strong BB is, but you can't gaslight me into believing bums like Shiryu and Lafitte are stronger than Mihawk and Ben Backman or even close to them. Zoro ain't gonna go from fighting Mihawk to fighting Janitoryu. Nor beating them gives anything emotionally nor narratively to Zoro, Sanji.
And obviously basic power progression means that weaker villains have to fall before stronger ones.
That's why it's only logical that after Elbaf, BB pirates are the next villains and they will fight for the 4th poneglyph.
People gaslighted this fanbase into believing BB pirates will fight Shanks and kill him because he's a mentor or some shit and that happened in other series, creating some generic "tragedy":
The ONLY way I can see BB pirates being fight after Shanks/CrossGuild and battle for the One Piece is IF they arrive to Laugh Tale after Goofy/Zoro/Sanji and everyone else finished fighting and they will use the opportunity that Goofy Zoro Sanji are half dead and exhausted.
This way powerscaling actually might make sense. Example:
Zoro being half dead and having to fight a weak but sneaky fighter like Shiryu actually evens out things. And BB can kill already defeated Shanks
End of post.
You still run your mouth about BB huh?
So Mihawk and Zoro can never have a serious fight?
Zoro spent far more time with Mihawk and got trained by him and lived with him.
How can they go down before laughtale?
Zoro will downgrade from fighting Mihawk to fighting janitor?
Stay coping lol
Akainu is left for last because he actually has the strongest underlings unlike Shanks with only Ben
and Bumbeard with.....fucking Shiryu lmao
Ben ~ Mihawk tho
You make no sense, you just repeated what I said....
Not really
Just like Shanks doesn't need to be there for his family defeat
Learn to read, I did not say a real alliance. Just they happen to take on top 3 members of SH
Agreed
Shirahoshi = 1.5bil yc2 Goofy = FATbeard
They don't belong in the same group as these scrubs
Zoro spent far more time with Mihawk and got trained by him and lived with him.
How can they go down before laughtale?
Zoro will downgrade from fighting Mihawk to fighting janitor?
Stay coping lol
Akainu is left for last because he actually has the strongest underlings unlike Shanks with only Ben
and Bumbeard with.....fucking Shiryu lmao
Lolda spent this whole arc insisting and establishing Zoro and the Cook as dead equals and you think Zoro will fight Mihawk in the arc where Lanji fight Benn?
You make no sense, you just repeated what I said....
Not really
Just like Shanks doesn't need to be there for his family defeat
Learn to read, I did not say a real alliance. Just they happen to take on top 3 members of SH
Do you see Shanks or Mihawk here Lurwa?
Shirahoshi = 1.5bil yc2 Goofy = FATbeard
They don't belong in the same group as these scrubs
I didn’t say Luffy and shanks can’t have a serious fight because they know each other… I said they can’t have serious fight because they are no stakes to this… The one piece is required to save the world, right? So… What will happen when Shanks gets it? Will he NOT save the world? What are the stakes of Luffy losing? The world ends? Why? Why would the world end if Luffy loses?
Zoro and Mihawk have the exact same stakes from chapter 1 to now… Zoro wants the WSS title to fulfill his promise to be the greatest… and Mihawk, we have no idea why he wants it… But that’s it… The stakes are not affected by Zoro having been trained by Mihawk… Zoro still has to fulfill his promise and losing to Mihawk would break his promise.
see what I mean? Stakes… The stakes of Zoro vs Mihawk are not the stakes of Luffy vs shanks…
Zoro and Mihawk have the exact same stakes from chapter 1 to now… Zoro wants the WSS title to fulfill his promise to be the greatest… and Mihawk, we have no idea why he wants it… But that’s it… The stakes are not affected by Zoro having been trained by Mihawk… Zoro still has to fulfill his promise and losing to Mihawk would break his promise.
see what I mean? Stakes… The stakes of Zoro vs Mihawk are not the stakes of Luffy vs shanks…
I don't mean a real alliance. I mean as in terms of Strawhats needing to fight both of the crews at the same time in the 3 crew battle royale for the One Piece.
This line up for the final fights to claim the one piece makes MUCH more sense
than these BUMS:
both narrative and powerscaling wise.
Shanks
Goofy beating Shanks who is just Roger 2.0 will be a heavy handed symbolism that he surpassed Roger and is worthy of being next Pirate King and their cringe promise.
Not to mention Goofy left Shanks as the last yonko he wants to beat by showing 3 fingers and closing 4th one.
Mihawk
Unironically the strongest case for this post.
Everyone with a half a brain knows that Cross Guild exists only so that Zoro could fight Mihawk. That's it. They have no other function. Oda created this crew and FORCED Mihawk to go after One Piece so that he could fight Zoro on Laugh Tale.
And Zoro has to become WSS BEFORE Goofy becomes PK, otherwise it will make Goofy look bad:
And since we know that Zoro beats his opponents faster than Goofy, Zoro will be WSS before Goofy beats Shanks and becomes PK.
Beckman
He makes sense for Sanji only due to powerscaling reasons and there's no one else strong enough left for either to fight.
Like it or not, Oda wanks Ben and gives him special treatment. Even as something as simple as him having his own solo rectangle while everyone besides Goofy and Shanks has to share:
Call him databookman, but it won't change the fact that it was said he was comparable to Shanks:
In the end making all 3 opponents for M3 similar level:
Shanks ~ Mihawk ~ Ben
Beating Ben will make Sanji stand shoulder to shoulder with Goofy and Zoro, just like Roger, Ray and Gaban did.
Fulfilling the "wings of Pirate King" shit.
Blackbeard pirates
They make no sense to be final fights for PK throne neither powerscaling wise nor narratively.
They only had chance with Kuzan, but anyone with a half a brain knows that Kuzan will leave and not fight for them in the end.
You can cope all you want about how strong BB is, but you can't gaslight me into believing bums like Shiryu and Lafitte are stronger than Mihawk and Ben Backman or even close to them. Zoro ain't gonna go from fighting Mihawk to fighting Janitoryu. Nor beating them gives anything emotionally nor narratively to Zoro, Sanji.
And obviously basic power progression means that weaker villains have to fall before stronger ones.
That's why it's only logical that after Elbaf, BB pirates are the next villains and they will fight for the 4th poneglyph.
People gaslighted this fanbase into believing BB pirates will fight Shanks and kill him because he's a mentor or some shit and that happened in other series, creating some generic "tragedy":
The ONLY way I can see BB pirates being fight after Shanks/CrossGuild and battle for the One Piece is IF they arrive to Laugh Tale after Goofy/Zoro/Sanji and everyone else finished fighting and they will use the opportunity that Goofy Zoro Sanji are half dead and exhausted.
This way powerscaling actually might make sense. Example:
Zoro being half dead and having to fight a weak but sneaky fighter like Shiryu actually evens out things. And BB can kill already defeated Shanks
End of post.
This line up for the final fights to claim the one piece makes MUCH more sense
than these BUMS:
both narrative and powerscaling wise.
Shanks
Goofy beating Shanks who is just Roger 2.0 will be a heavy handed symbolism that he surpassed Roger and is worthy of being next Pirate King and their cringe promise.
Not to mention Goofy left Shanks as the last yonko he wants to beat by showing 3 fingers and closing 4th one.
Mihawk
Unironically the strongest case for this post.
Everyone with a half a brain knows that Cross Guild exists only so that Zoro could fight Mihawk. That's it. They have no other function. Oda created this crew and FORCED Mihawk to go after One Piece so that he could fight Zoro on Laugh Tale.
And Zoro has to become WSS BEFORE Goofy becomes PK, otherwise it will make Goofy look bad:
And since we know that Zoro beats his opponents faster than Goofy, Zoro will be WSS before Goofy beats Shanks and becomes PK.
Beckman
He makes sense for Sanji only due to powerscaling reasons and there's no one else strong enough left for either to fight.
Like it or not, Oda wanks Ben and gives him special treatment. Even as something as simple as him having his own solo rectangle while everyone besides Goofy and Shanks has to share:
Call him databookman, but it won't change the fact that it was said he was comparable to Shanks:
In the end making all 3 opponents for M3 similar level:
Shanks ~ Mihawk ~ Ben
Beating Ben will make Sanji stand shoulder to shoulder with Goofy and Zoro, just like Roger, Ray and Gaban did.
Fulfilling the "wings of Pirate King" shit.
Blackbeard pirates
They make no sense to be final fights for PK throne neither powerscaling wise nor narratively.
They only had chance with Kuzan, but anyone with a half a brain knows that Kuzan will leave and not fight for them in the end.
You can cope all you want about how strong BB is, but you can't gaslight me into believing bums like Shiryu and Lafitte are stronger than Mihawk and Ben Backman or even close to them. Zoro ain't gonna go from fighting Mihawk to fighting Janitoryu. Nor beating them gives anything emotionally nor narratively to Zoro, Sanji.
And obviously basic power progression means that weaker villains have to fall before stronger ones.
That's why it's only logical that after Elbaf, BB pirates are the next villains and they will fight for the 4th poneglyph.
People gaslighted this fanbase into believing BB pirates will fight Shanks and kill him because he's a mentor or some shit and that happened in other series, creating some generic "tragedy":
The ONLY way I can see BB pirates being fight after Shanks/CrossGuild and battle for the One Piece is IF they arrive to Laugh Tale after Goofy/Zoro/Sanji and everyone else finished fighting and they will use the opportunity that Goofy Zoro Sanji are half dead and exhausted.
This way powerscaling actually might make sense. Example:
Zoro being half dead and having to fight a weak but sneaky fighter like Shiryu actually evens out things. And BB can kill already defeated Shanks
End of post.
