Powers & Abilities The final “Sword Skill” thread
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Devil Fruit based Sword Skills are irrelevant, Haki based Sword Skills are what matters for Peak Swordsmanship..
You know i'm about to bring something that will end Zoro fans whole career so you're trying to mitigate the damage with this thread..
He just became the World Strongest Swordsman for turning his Blade Black, nothing else.. Dueling Shanks 20 years ago many times and ending in a draw is still his best feat..
You know i'm about to bring something that will end Zoro fans whole career so you're trying to mitigate the damage with this thread..
How did Mihawk become the WSS though? What did he do to earn it?
How did Mihawk become the WSS though? What did he do to earn it?
Brook counts his freezing abilities as swordsmanship. Aren’t these DF based swordsmanship?
diamante counts his flag df swordsmanship
Kaku counts his giraffe df enhanced swordsmanship
also if you’re saying only haki matters, then What about Zoro and Kin’emon’s fire swordsmanship? Are they both lying when they say they are “fire sword users”?
So?..
Oh yeah i forgot, Haki based Sword Skills, and Meitou based Sword Skills, meaning their Personality traits..
Zoro hasn't demonstrated to be able to produce fire from his Blades, only cutting fire.. Kinemon's Swords Personality can produce fire..
I guess it's not 100% sure if Brook's Freezing Sword Skill is Devil Fruit based or Sword Personality based..
Oh yeah i forgot, Haki based Sword Skills, and Meitou based Sword Skills, meaning their Personality traits..
Zoro hasn't demonstrated to be able to produce fire from his Blades, only cutting fire.. Kinemon's Swords Personality can produce fire..
I guess it's not 100% sure if Brook's Freezing Sword Skill is Devil Fruit based or Sword Personality based..
How did he set Ryuma on fire then?
And no I will not be accepting made up shit that the manga has never confirmed such as “sword personality sword skills”
technically this is not. It’s the Anime that adds the part where King has to swing his sword to launch this fire dragon. In the manga he just holds out his hand and the fire dragon appears
The vivre card said “Mihawk fought everyone swordsman worth fighting until there was no worthy left” and it also says he’s waiting for someone stronger than Shanks
the Vivre card doesn’t say Mihawk fought everyone swordsman on the planet and also big mom isn’t stronger than shanks so Mihawk doesn’t give a shit about get
And no I will not be accepting made up shit that the manga has never confirmed such as “sword personality sword skills”
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The vivre card said “Mihawk fought everyone swordsman worth fighting until there was no worthy left” and it also says he’s waiting for someone stronger than Shanks
the Vivre card doesn’t say Mihawk fought everyone swordsman on the planet and also big mom isn’t stronger than shanks so Mihawk doesn’t give a shit about get
We don’t know who Mihawk fought to come to the conclusion that Both Big mom and Yonko Shanks are below him? I mean we literally just learned that the Holy knights exist and that the Gorosei can fight and that random islands have top tiers like Greenbull and Fujitora just sitting around on their islands doing nothing.
mihawk went around the world, including even to the holy land since he was a warlord and had permission to go there. He’s seen the whole world and fought whoever. And he’s concluded that Big mom and Shanks are no longer worthy to fight him
I mean in the narrative theres a character who says the exact opposite of this statement that you randomly think is the universal sword philosophy that supposedly every swordsman follows? Like you think Xebec, Roger, Brook, Cabaji, Hyouzo, Fujitora, Law, Kaku… literally every swordsman in the world has ONE universal sword philosophy that they must follow… That’s ridiculous
mihawk went around the world, including even to the holy land since he was a warlord and had permission to go there. He’s seen the whole world and fought whoever. And he’s concluded that Big mom and Shanks are no longer worthy to fight him
I mean in the narrative theres a character who says the exact opposite of this statement that you randomly think is the universal sword philosophy that supposedly every swordsman follows? Like you think Xebec, Roger, Brook, Cabaji, Hyouzo, Fujitora, Law, Kaku… literally every swordsman in the world has ONE universal sword philosophy that they must follow… That’s ridiculous
Prove he doesn’t
Swordmanship is a fighting style. If she fights like a swordsman then she is
It’s correlations vs Causation. Enma has a strong personality and it has the haki sucking ability. One doesn’t cause the other. It just so happens that one sword has both things at the same time coincidentally
Kozaburo actually never explains where the haki sucking ability came from.
Do you remember what happened immediately after Zoro cut the cliff side? HE STOPPED THE HAKI SUCK.
From then onwards, Zoro was fully capable of stopping Enma from sucking his haki out. He even says stuff like “I have to unleash more of Enma’s power” on the rooftop against Kaido showing that he can pick and choose how much haki he’s letting Enma suck bit by bit the entire time.
So the issue of “Making the sword only cut as much as you want” was fixed exactly ONE PANEL after Zoro failed to do it when he cut the cliff side. And this is what Koushiro taught. That a sword must be made to only cut as much as you want.
Then this philosophy FAILED AGAIN against King. Enma went off again even though we already saw that Zoro can stop it’s Haki sucking, it basically broke off from his control and Zoro realised that he must have been doing something wrong.
This flashback exists because Zoro has to learn something. Something about what Zoro was doing before wasn’t working. Something about how Zoro was taught to do swordsmanship was failing. Koushiro’s teachings of making your swords only do as much damage as you allow was not working.
Then he remembered someone who told him the exact opposite thing. That cursed swords are considered cursed simply because the Wielders of the swords cannot handle how much some swords want to kill. Kozaburo thinks that a sword cutting and killing as much as it wants to kill IS A GOOD THING since swords are made for killing so a good sword is the one that kills the most.
this is the exact opposite of what Zoro was doing and it’s exactly what Zoro needed to learn to use Enma. The trick to using Enma isn’t stopping its haki suck. It’s giving Enma as much haki as it wants AND THEN SOME and simply NOT DYING from getting all that haki sucked out. Enma wants to kill as much as possible and Zoro learned that he has to go all out sometimes and give Enma what it wants.
Swordmanship is a fighting style. If she fights like a swordsman then she is
It’s correlations vs Causation. Enma has a strong personality and it has the haki sucking ability. One doesn’t cause the other. It just so happens that one sword has both things at the same time coincidentally
Kozaburo actually never explains where the haki sucking ability came from.
Do you remember what happened immediately after Zoro cut the cliff side? HE STOPPED THE HAKI SUCK.
From then onwards, Zoro was fully capable of stopping Enma from sucking his haki out. He even says stuff like “I have to unleash more of Enma’s power” on the rooftop against Kaido showing that he can pick and choose how much haki he’s letting Enma suck bit by bit the entire time.
So the issue of “Making the sword only cut as much as you want” was fixed exactly ONE PANEL after Zoro failed to do it when he cut the cliff side. And this is what Koushiro taught. That a sword must be made to only cut as much as you want.
Then this philosophy FAILED AGAIN against King. Enma went off again even though we already saw that Zoro can stop it’s Haki sucking, it basically broke off from his control and Zoro realised that he must have been doing something wrong.
This flashback exists because Zoro has to learn something. Something about what Zoro was doing before wasn’t working. Something about how Zoro was taught to do swordsmanship was failing. Koushiro’s teachings of making your swords only do as much damage as you allow was not working.
Then he remembered someone who told him the exact opposite thing. That cursed swords are considered cursed simply because the Wielders of the swords cannot handle how much some swords want to kill. Kozaburo thinks that a sword cutting and killing as much as it wants to kill IS A GOOD THING since swords are made for killing so a good sword is the one that kills the most.
this is the exact opposite of what Zoro was doing and it’s exactly what Zoro needed to learn to use Enma. The trick to using Enma isn’t stopping its haki suck. It’s giving Enma as much haki as it wants AND THEN SOME and simply NOT DYING from getting all that haki sucked out. Enma wants to kill as much as possible and Zoro learned that he has to go all out sometimes and give Enma what it wants.
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Hm, he didn’t fight Nusjuro, Ryokugyu, or Fujitora—none of the famous and well-known top-tier swordsmen. The only person he ever fought was Shanks, and that was before Shanks lost his arm. Plus, Shanks only became a Yonko six years ago. We don’t even know the outcome of their fights! Even if we assume Mihawk defeated Shanks before he became a Yonko, does that mean Shanks was the previous WSS, and that’s why Mihawk holds the title now? If so, how did Shanks earn the WSS title in the first place? And if he truly was the previous WSS before becoming a Yonko, doesn’t that somewhat diminish the value of the title?
In that case it stops being a strength title, and diminishes Mihawk's point, because Zoro can become WSS by himself without Mihawk.
Lol
In that case it stops being a strength title, and diminishes Mihawk's point, because Zoro can become WSS by himself without Mihawk.
Doesn't matter, the author said it is the case. 
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