One Piece Episode 1140 - An Admired Hero - The Warrior of Liberation Who Saves Bonney

[ZenZu]

Kizaru literally was bleeding from a haki less grab in a 2v1 with Saturn..

That's like BM bleeding during the wedding party just from dropping on her knees. I'm not gonna use that in a regular situation.

It's an outlier during a mentally compromised moment. In this manga durability is linked to your mental state. That was when Kizaru completely broke after killing VP. If his durability is haki based, or something active, which is the only explanation really, it makes complete sense.

 

[Levi]

That would be consistent with what he's saying. Kizaru is protecting himself with a light barrier or some shit and the only way to damage him is internal damage through pressure or shockwaves.

Cool kaido isn’t bleeding from a haki less grab in a 2v1

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Idk man, even G3 back in Dressrosa left a scuff on Fuji after he blocked it. Oda made Kizaru WAY too busted. Kaidou and BM are supposed to be THE durable top tiers since they are monsters, and Kizaru is just casually outdoing their durability feats. It's kinda dumb tbh, but I'd like to believe this has to do with Kizaru's defense he was talking about. Prob clads himself in a haki barrier or some shit, I guess the distinction is when active he has the best durability in the verse but Kaidou and BM might have better durability while they are asleep or something.

I was talking about Kuzan tho. Lol

Yeah Kizaru’s durability is probably a natural extension of his defensive ability. When he was mentally broken, Nika injured him just by grabbing him, so his durability like Big Mom’s is likely tied to his focus.

But yea he is just objectively more durable than Kaido.

 

[ZenZu]

Cool kaido isn’t bleeding from a haki less grab in a 2v1

This is like saying Nami has better durability than Big Mom because she wouldn't bleed by simply kneeling. You're taking a mentally compromised outlier and making it the norm. Unless you think WSG was weaker than the "hakiless grab" when a far weaker version of WSG already made Kaidou bleed.

 

[Levi]

That's like BM bleeding during the wedding party just from dropping on her knees. I'm not gonna use that in a regular situation.

It's an outlier during a mentally compromised moment. In this manga durability is linked to your mental state. That was when Kizaru completely broke after killing VP. If his durability is haki based, or something active, which is the only explanation really, it makes complete sense.

Cool we’re talking about kaido not mom
Mental nerf terrain restriction oda holding them back all the same to me admirals has never show to be durability monster.

Kaido was mentally distracted when big mom lost to the point he was reminiscing mid fight about her and yet same durability.

big mom scratched herself when she became mentally impaired. kizaru durability being based on his mental state is cool and all but mentally nerfed or not still feats Doesn’t put him above wb meme or kaido lvl durability.

 

[ZenZu]

Cool we’re talking about kaido not mom
Mental nerf terrain restriction oda holding them back all the same to me admirals has never show to be durability monster.

Kaido was mentally distracted when big mom lost to the point he was reminiscing mid fight about her and yet same durability.

big mom scratched herself when she became mentally impaired. kizaru durability being based on his mental state is cool and all but mentally nerfed or not still feats Doesn’t put him above wb meme or kaido lvl durability.

Why'd you even bother quoting me if you didn't read the post? I clearly talked about inferior attacks breaching Kaidou and BM durability.

 

[Levi]

This is like saying Nami has better durability than Big Mom because she wouldn't bleed by simply kneeling. You're taking a mentally compromised outlier and making it the norm. Unless you think WSG was weaker than the "hakiless grab" when a far weaker version of WSG already made Kaidou bleed.

wsg>one on kaido>>haki less grab
I’m using your own logic of coughing blood means low durability.
Kaido was bleeding from a weaker attack and yet he was still able to withstand and take minimal damage from it.
Kizaru completely got immobilized for god knows how long from a stronger one.
And yet was coughing blood from a haki less grab….
coughing blood doesn’t indicate durability
definition: the ability to withstand wear, pressure, or damage.
Did kizaru withstand wsg no
Did kaido withstand a weaker version yes

 

[ZenZu]

So

-Kuzan the scrawny hax df merchant has Garp the Fist lvl raw punching power.
-Kizaru the hax speed merchant has top 1 active durability/defense in the verse.

Oda gave the C3 mastery in the exact opposite fields we would have expected. Basically their perceived weak points ended up being their strongest stats.

Judging by this trend, Akainu probably has the best finesse ability? Future sight for Akainu, so he can react and dodge at the highest lvl? I would not be surprised anymore.

@EmperorKinyagi @Shiroyru

 

[Levi]

Why'd you even bother quoting me if you didn't read the post? I clearly talked about inferior attacks breaching Kaidou and BM durability.

The haki less garb is literally inferior to wsg and the one kaido took

 

[ZenZu]

Did kizaru withstand wsg no
Did kaido withstand a weaker version yes

Kizaru fed Luffy and acted like he was down after WSG, basically moved so fast he perception blitzed the entire island and went back to the same spot he landed. So yea he canonically withstood it, even better than we initially thought.

 

[Cruxroux]

Kizaru fed Luffy and acted like he was down after WSG, so yeah, he canonically withstood it, even better than we initially thought.

Even Zoro used Ashura, and scarred Kaidou lol after 30 broken bones. Doesn't mean he was affected lol.

Kizaru was affected and eventually recovered.

 

[ZenZu]

Even Zoro used Ashura, and scarred Kaidou lol after 30 broken bones. Doesn't mean he was affected lol.

Kizaru was affected and eventually recovered.

Never said he was completely unaffected. He just visually never bled from it, and also factually acted like he was down for a prolonged duration when he was feeding Luffy instead. So he withstood it quite comfortably all things considered.

 

[Cruxroux]

He just visually never bled from it

Luffy's attacks in G5 barely make people bleed.
It's all Looney toons, Kizaru himself admitted he can't move for a while.
And acted when he could.

Against other Emperors, they would kill Kizaru in that small duration of paralysis.

 

[ZenZu]

Luffy's attacks in G5 barely make people bleed.
It's all Looney toons, Kizaru himself admitted he can't move for a while.
And acted when he could.

Against other Emperors, they would kill Kizaru in that small duration of paralysis.

Kizaru was faking it, we don't know how long he was actually down, could be half a second for all we know. We do know not much time passed before he fed Luffy though.

And your logic doesn't work because other Emperors don't have WSG. You call it a looney tunes technique that paralyses and doesn't make you bleed (even though this is false we saw Kaidou bleed from the same but weaker attack) to take away Kizaru's durability feat, but then you gifted other Emperors this unique looney tunes paralysis effect which they don't have.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Cruxroux]

Kizaru was faking it, we don't know how long he was actually down, could be half a second for all we know. We do know not much time passed before he fed Luffy though.

That leaves things to speculation.
Oda wouldn't randomly show us a new Gear 5 Advanced conqueror attack and do nothing with it. Even Kaidou was affected by it. Kizaru by no means has better durability than Kaidou.

Oda explicitly shows us when there is no damage, like Marco launching Kizaru back to Marineford from the sky. Kizaru came out unscathed.

And this logic doesn't work because other Emperors don't have WSG. You call it a looney tunes technique that paralyses and doesn't make you bleed (even though this is false we saw Kaidou bleed from the same but weaker attack) to take away Kizaru's durability feat, but then you gifted other Emperors this unique looney tunes paralysis effect which they don't have.

Other emperor strikes will be much more AP-focused. Even more damage.
No yonkou is going down after a 15-minute round of hide and seek.
They will level the ground.

 

[ZenZu]

Other emperor strikes will be much more AP-focused. Even more damage.
No yonkou is going down after a 15-minute round of hide and seek.
They will level the ground.

This is irrelevant. They do not have the unique paralysis effect that WSG has thanks to awakening toon force, so the window you are talking about does not exist for them.

The original point was that Kizaru’s durability is ridiculous because he pulled off feats no one before him has. Using examples of similar/weaker attacks used against other top tiers to compare. You are ignoring that premise and instead arguing that Kizaru, who has shown superior durability feats, somehow performs worse than characters with inferior durability feats? I think this is another case of you struggling with comprehension, probably. You're completely off track here with this discussion.

 

[God Buggy]

 

[Shiroyru]

So

-Kuzan the scrawny hax df merchant has Garp the Fist lvl raw punching power.
-Kizaru the hax speed merchant has top 1 active durability/defense in the verse.

Oda gave the C3 mastery in the exact opposite fields we would have expected. Basically their perceived weak points ended up being their strongest stats.

Judging by this trend, Akainu probably has the best finesse ability? Future sight for Akainu, so he can react and dodge at the highest lvl? I would not be surprised anymore.

@EmperorKinyagi @Shiroyru

Be honest. How many Borsalino body pillows do you have?

 

[ZenZu]

Be honest. How many Borsalino body pillows do you have?

Unfortunately, I don't own any Kizaru merch. A Kizaru figure would be pretty badass ngl. Though an Aokiji or Greenbull figure would go harder.

 

[Juanpiz]

Unfortunately, I don't own any Kizaru merch. A Kizaru figure would be pretty badass ngl.