Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1158 Spoilers Discussion

[JoyBoyRoy]

OP Scans is out https://opchapters.com/op-chapter-1158/

 

[Sir Yasheen]

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@LANJI CUCKSMOKE

So basically shanks is equal to a Joyboy who’s not using his physical abilities or his devil fruit?

 

[MonsterKaido]

He believes old wb is stronger than shanks

And thats make Shanks > Prime Rayleigh

Lasheen for a reason

As expected of someone who has Queen > Katakuri.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

So basically shanks is equal to a Joyboy who’s not using his physical abilities or his devil fruit?

do you think dorry and brogy witness shanks strongest attack? of course no. Shanks would only use his attack against top tiers opponents, right? So they were comparing Shanks attack vs Kid with Joyboy strongest ACOC blast

 

[Sir Yasheen]

do you think dorry and brogy witness shanks strongest attack? of course no. Shanks would only use his attack against top tiers opponents, right? So they were comparing Shanks attack vs Kid with Joyboy strongest ACOC blast

Comparing shanks concentrated CoC coating to a mere blast of CoC.., it’s clear that this was done to hype just how strong Joyboys CoC was.

In no way does it say shanks is close to him

 

[SatanKingofHell]

At the start of Thriller Bark, Luffy made fun of Zoro for being like Brook when he got lost, but this was also hinting at Brook being like Moria too, since their crews both got wiped out. Oda was clearly foreshadowing the similarities between Zoro, Brook and Moria in this arc, but obviously Zoro is everyone from Green Kaidou and Green Mom.

Zoro is everything, but the Green version of everything.

Zoro tanking Nothing Happened was Zoro's test to stop a crew wipe.

Zoro is like Kozuki Moria. Zoro is like the Pirate of Justice.

 

[LayerZ]

Genuinely, Big Mom is like…top five in the crew, arguably top 3 after Rocks and Whitebeard lol, she’s already established and unlike the rest of the newly introduced Rocks pirates, was ALWAYS highlighted to be active against Garp/Roger whenever GV is spoken about.

Sengoku said BM and kaido are now much stronger then they were at god valey .
Big mom is not that strong in the crew . She under shiki silver axe etc .
But BM is the only top tier that talked about Garp except WB and roger . She the only one that question luffy about his link with Garp other then shaky who have an history with Garp . So BM knew Garp well . For exemple we never seen Kaido asking luffy if he was Garp grand son or even shanks . IM not sure if shanks know he is garp grand son lmao . ANd kaido showed interested in Roger. This is why I think those match ups happened but BM was far from be at roger or Garp level at that time .

 

[MonsterKaido]

you literally said you have had shank>kaido for some time. what were you basing that on? that's not future stuff. That's you saying you have shank currently above kaido. There was no "may" or "might" or whatever in that lol.

And literally in that fucking post, you says "since shank haki was compared to wsm joyboy". THAT IS PORTRAYAL. That's better than anything kaido has.

And kaido himself putting shank so high just negates any portrayal kaido has. Cause kaido thinks shank is above him.

 

[Ven437]

BEFORE we move onto God Valley, I just want to make it clear that whoever Big Mom fought, couldn’t injure her homies. In fact, the first time they were ever injured is during WCI against Brook 👀

@MonsterKaido @Philosoraptor @Steven @park_min young @MarineHQ @Jyg-Lyg

Sengoku said BM and kaido are now much stronger then they were at god valey .
Big mom is not that strong in the crew . She under shiki silver axe etc.

Silver axe got clowned by a bomb the size of BM's palm He not above young BM and since shiki is his rival that means shiki is below her too

Sengoku highlighted BM WB and Kaido (who could go with xebec enough to destroy the island) while putting shiki with the likes of wang zhi btw (who was still active as pirate)

BM was laughing at roger this ch unlike other members who were taking photos of him. BM has more presence than shiki ever since she joined

 

[DarkWitch]

Wild guess but I think Kaido got one shotted by Roger and BM tasted Garp fist real quick . They both were not that strong durint this time . I see them getting beat quickly and not having a real match up with BM escaping god valey with a badly injured kaido giving him the fruit .

I could see Roger getting one shotted by Roger, but I don't think Garp and Big Mom fought at all.

Big Mom most likely fought against Saturn, during the Kuma flashback, both Big Mom and Saturn were not that far apart from each other.

Something must have happened that allowed Kuma and Iva to escape, so I do think there is a good chance that Big Mom clashed against Saturn.

Genuinely, Big Mom is like…top five in the crew, arguably top 3 after Rocks and Whitebeard lol, she’s already established and unlike the rest of the newly introduced Rocks pirates, was ALWAYS highlighted to be active against Garp/Roger whenever GV is spoken about.

Sengoku said BM and kaido are now much stronger then they were at god valey .
Big mom is not that strong in the crew . She under shiki silver axe etc .
But BM is the only top tier that talked about Garp except WB and roger . She the only one that question luffy about his link with Garp other then shaky who have an history with Garp . So BM knew Garp well . For exemple we never seen Kaido asking luffy if he was Garp grand son or even shanks . IM not sure if shanks know he is garp grand son lmao . ANd kaido showed interested in Roger. This is why I think those match ups happened but BM was far from be at roger or Garp level at that time .

Big Mom imo is top 5 in the Rocks Pirates but not top 3, I do believe she is at the very least stronger than Wang, Teenage Kaido, John, and the others.

But at the same time, I would say that she is weaker than Rocks, Whitebeard, Shiki, and Silver Axe.

 

[soupongo]

Do you think Kaido knew about Imu when he made that statement? Seems like Imu might have been involved in God Valley like he is on Elbaf with Gunko

 

[park_min young]

Sengoku said BM and kaido are now much stronger then they were at god valey .
Big mom is not that strong in the crew . She under shiki silver axe etc .
But BM is the only top tier that talked about Garp except WB and roger . She the only one that question luffy about his link with Garp other then shaky who have an history with Garp . So BM knew Garp well . For exemple we never seen Kaido asking luffy if he was Garp grand son or even shanks . IM not sure if shanks know he is garp grand son lmao . ANd kaido showed interested in Roger. This is why I think those match ups happened but BM was far from be at roger or Garp level at that time .

Kaido was the only rookie during God’s Valley, and even then, he’s most likely extremely powerful already (yc1 or above). Everybody else were in their thirties and close to their primes, nobody is beating Big Mom in God’s Valley.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Sanji theme is amazing

fuck sanji and his theme

 

[Ven437]

If the likes of roger and garp, even garling on panel show they couldnt injure zeus and prometheus... we are bout to start some uncomfortable conversations

 

[LayerZ]

Kaido was the only rookie during God’s Valley, and even then, he’s most likely extremely powerful already (yc1 or above). Everybody else were in their thirties and close to their primes, nobody is beating Big Mom in God’s Valley.

Like I said sengoku stated that BM was weaker during that time then present time . So she was not peak too .

 

[MonochromeYoru]

you tryna be fenaker?

none of this shit matters. by your own words, shank haki being compared to the literal pirate jesus joyboy's top haki, is way better portrayal.

 

[LayerZ]

@MonsterKaido @Philosoraptor @Steven @park_min young @MarineHQ @Jyg-Lyg




Silver axe got clowned by a bomb the size of BM's palm He not above young BM and since shiki is his rival that means shiki is below her too

Sengoku highlighted BM WB and Kaido (who could go with xebec enough to destroy the island) while putting shiki with the likes of wang zhi btw (who was still active as pirate)

BM was laughing at roger this ch unlike other members who were taking photos of him. BM has more presence than shiki ever since she joined

bm legit just got defeated by a bomb . BUt hey we could go all day BM was stated weaker by sengoku nothing will change that .

 

[Ven437]

bm legit just got defeated by a bomb . BUt hey we could go all day BM was stated weaker by sengoku nothing will change that .

*nukes that could destroy ONIGASHIMA. After eating an island-tier internal atk

BM eats zephyr cardboard cutout silver axe alive for breakfast

 

[park_min young]

Like I said sengoku stated that BM was weaker during that time then present time . So she was not peak too .

Not peak but already top-tier so nobody can stomp her. We can see in their interactions that she‘s clearly top 3 to 5 on Rocks’ ship. She’s for sure above Bum Axe, who got out-aura’d by a 17-year-old Kaido.

Kaido might get stomped by Roger, Whitebeard and Big Mom won’t lose during God’s Valley. They might not even have a proper matchup unlike Shiki and Silver Axe who most likely will go up against Ray and Gaban.

 

[LayerZ]

I could see Roger getting one shotted by Roger, but I don't think Garp and Big Mom fought at all.

Big Mom most likely fought against Saturn, during the Kuma flashback, both Big Mom and Saturn were not that far apart from each other.

Something must have happened that allowed Kuma and Iva to escape, so I do think there is a good chance that Big Mom clashed against Saturn.





Big Mom imo is top 5 in the Rocks Pirates but not top 3, I do believe she is at the very least stronger than Wang, Teenage Kaido, John, and the others.

But at the same time, I would say that she is weaker than Rocks, Whitebeard, Shiki, and Silver Axe.

Also where I have her . I alway shad wb shiki and xebec above her but silver axe being shiki rival make me put him above BM too . Captain john looks like a pretty big deal too tough tbut I wait to see more we will see with who they will face .
But for me only Harald make sense for garp if he dont fight xebec since there is no way he fighting the subordonate of the guy roger is fighting .

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*nukes that could destroy ONIGASHIMA. After eating an island-tier internal atk

BM eats zephyr cardboard cutout silver axe alive for breakfast

silver axe = shiki rival and this put him above BM who was never stated as strong as shiki . Shiki was a direct rival of roger not BM .