Character Discussion The Man Marked by Flames... of HELL - The Guard Dog of Tartarus, Cerberus, and "Fire Wound" Figarland Shamrock, Keeper of the 4th Road Poneglyph

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#1
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1l00odg
  • In the aforementioned Greek mythology, that would be Tartarus, a Primordial God who was the ruler of the abyss. Tartarus (I highly recommend reading this link) was also the name of the said abyss – a dark place located even deeper than the Underworld that served as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. It was essentially Hell for Hell.
  • In Egyptian mythology, [Nu (“Watery One”)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu\_(mythology)#:\~:text=Nu%20(%22Watery%20One%22)%20or%20Nun%20(%22The%20Inert,which%20the%20creator%20sun%20god%20Ra%20arose.) or Nun is the personification of the primordial watery abyss which existed at the time of creation and from which the creator sun god Ra arose. In the beginning the universe only consisted of a great chaotic cosmic ocean, and the ocean itself was referred to as Nu.
Fun fact: Greek Historians (some of the best we've ever had), realized, through exploring Egypt, that their own Gods came from the Egyptian Gods, and that the Egyptian Gods were more accurate version of their own, as Egypt predated their civilization.

So, "Nu", the Watery one in Egyptian Mythology, can be viewed as the "personification" of the Abyss that is "Tartarus" in Greek Mythology.

This fits One Piece perfectly: "Nu" is the ruler of the "Abyss" Tartarus... or Tar D. Eris



Not getting into the "Eris is Imu theories", but, here's WorstGenHQ for that: https://x.com/WorstGenHQ/status/1976014682524926286

Cerberus guards the gates of the Underworld, of which Tartarus is a part of; the worst part (Impel Down connection?).

Shamrock is clearly one of Imu's favored Agents, being sent to deal with Loki and Elbaph, a country which conquered the New World, and then back to the Marijoa after it was attacked. Since many believe Imu cannot directly leave the Flower Room, merely their Shadow (KOZUKI MORIA WILL DEFEAT IMU-SAMA, YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST. IT'S SCISSORING TIME, JUST LIKE MY LESBIAN TRIGGER ANIME, KILL LA KILL), and the Gorosei being Giant Demon dudes is a secret, I believe Imu needed their strongest non-Gorosei to show up to help: Shamrock.

Being capable of killing Loki with a single thrust, when Gunko barely damaged Loki after how many attacks, is proof Shamrock's attack power is very dangerous.

What do we know about the Man Marked by Flames?

Black ship with whirlpools
Government man most likely
Has 4th Road Ponyglyph, the one missing from Fish-Man Island.

What interests me most, is that we're supposed to believe the man has a burn scar, but, no one has mentioned any other features: how is it that people know he has a scar, if they don't know any of his other physical features?

https://fictionhorizon.com/one-piece-who-is-the-man-with-the-burn-scars/

Well, as for the identity of this character, we have nothing to add. He was initially mentioned as 火ヒノ傷キズ (Hinokizu) in the series, which was later as simply ヒノキズ in katakana, but the phrase actually means “Fire Wound,” i.e., “Burn Scar,” which is the official English translation as well. This means that it could very well be that Hinokizu is not the character’s real name, i.e., that it is just a nickname based on his most pronounced physical trait, as we do know that the person known as Hinokizu does have a scar somewhere on his body.

What if we were looking at this the wrong way, the whole time? The Man Marked by Flames, "Burn Scar", or "Fire Wound", is named as such... because the people he fights are scarred by his flames.

The Flames of Hell.

The Flames of Tartarus', and Imu's, Guard Dog: Cerberus.

Tartarus is the Greek Hell, based off Egyptian Mythology, that houses the most fearsome monsters in the world. What are Imu and the Gorosei? The most fearsome monsters in the world.

Gunko and Shamrock dress in black cloaks: I believe they also have a black ship.

Gunko's Arrow Fruit is what causes the Whirpools that sink the ships.

Shamrock was the God's Knight sent to retrieve Myosgard from Fish-Man Island, after his accident there. A God's Knight would be sent in this situation, as we know from Akainu that God's Knights handle internal matters like that. Myosgard randomly inviting Otohime to the Holy Land must have been a BIG DEAL at the time, and, since Shamrock has been seen associating with Giants, he would be a good liaison here. Shamrock has been shown to visit Harald's Grave in Elbaph, implying Shamrock was fond of Harald, and more open minded about countries like Elbaph than Garling. If Shamrock honestly enjoys exploring (like Garling, who was very interested in God Valley's history), it would make sense Shamrock went exploring Fish-Man Island. He's powerful enough that no one would be able to stop him, there.

So, Shamrock found the Road Poneglyph, and, just as Shanks' serves as a barrier to Laugh Tale, Shamrock became a barrier himself, sailing around with the Road Poneglyph to keep it from being stolen. In the event someone tries to, Gunko would sink the Poneglyph into the sea with her Fruit, leaving it to be reclaimed by the WG later.

If this theory is correct, it would mean Luffy would have to defeat Shanks' brother, in order to gain the last Road Poneglyph needed to reach Laugh Tale. This lets Luffy fights a Shanks' level enemy, to reach Laugh Tale, without fighting Shanks himself.

It also entirely possible Shanks challenges Shamrock, his own brother, for the Poneglyph.

Either way, I believe Shamrock is Fire Wound, the Man Marked by Flames, and he has been tasked with keeping the 4th Road Poneglyph safe, to make up for the failures of his brother, Shanks.

Shamrock and Shanks are a twisted parallel of Lola and Chiffon.

Imu is like Linlin: even though Doffy wanted to return to Marijoa, he was refused entry. Since Shanks abandoned Imu, Shamrock DISGUSTS Imu, inherently. However, after retrieving the 4th Road Poneglyph, Shamrock was promoted to a high rank, and fell into Imu's good favor.

Garling despise Shanks, because Shanks' status as a pirate serving under Gol D. Roger brought shame to the Figarland family that still lingers. Hence Garling's intro, decrying those who protect scum.

Shanks chose protecting the weak, over being an all powerful God, a Celestial Dragon, and brought shame to his family.

Shamrock's true mission from Imu?

To kill his brother... the Yonkou, Red Haired Shanks, now that he has set his sights on Laugh Tale

The easiest way for Shamrock to lure Shanks in?

Monkey D. Luffy

Fire Wound... is coming to snuff out Shanks' protege.

The Flames of Hell, have spread to Elbaph, and Shamrock's sword burns with the desire to end the Great Age of Pirates.
 
#5
I don't think this person has anything to do with wg.
If one of them wanted to hide something so important, the best place would be mg itself, which is protected by 3 Ladmirals, hk, cp, and the five elders, not a simple ship at sea.
Logically, this person is probably a pirate who may be an old legend or be related to one of the legends.
 

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#6
I don't think this person has anything to do with wg.
If one of them wanted to hide something so important, the best place would be mg itself, which is protected by 3 Ladmirals, hk, cp, and the five elders, not a simple ship at sea.
Logically, this person is probably a pirate who may be an old legend or be related to one of the legends.
Characters who have broken into Marijoa and survived:
-Fisher Tiger
-Bonney
-Kuma
-Sabo + Karasu + Lindberg + Morley
-Ancient Egghead Giant Robot, Emeth

Nah.

Look how hard it is for people to find Zunesha, and Zou is A GIANT ASS ELEPHANT.

It's almost impossible to hunt down one random dude sailing around who doesn't want to be found.

Much easier to sneak into Marijoa, SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much easier, the Celestial Dragon's security is SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

Fujitora trying to drop a meteor on the Holy Land, GOD
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It's Sunbell the fish man from roger's crew
See, I like this theory, but, then I think people would know it's a Fish-Man.

The fact that we have no description but "flames" makes me think it's not HIS scar, but that he's a concealed individual, who uses flames, and Shamrock was covering his face when we met him.
 
#7
Characters who have broken into Marijoa and survived:
-Fisher Tiger
-Bonney
-Kuma
-Sabo + Karasu + Lindberg + Morley
-Ancient Egghead Giant Robot, Emeth

Nah.

Look how hard it is for people to find Zunesha, and Zou is A GIANT ASS ELEPHANT.

It's almost impossible to hunt down one random dude sailing around who doesn't want to be found.

Much easier to sneak into Marijoa, SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much easier, the Celestial Dragon's security is SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

Fujitora trying to drop a meteor on the Holy Land, GOD
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See, I like this theory, but, then I think people would know it's a Fish-Man.

The fact that we have no description but "flames" makes me think it's not HIS scar, but that he's a concealed individual, who uses flames, and Shamrock was covering his face when we met him.
The whirlpool thing is what makes me think fishman. One thing we know they're good at is making whirlpools. Arlong and Jimbei both do it
 
#8
Characters who have broken into Marijoa and survived:
-Fisher Tiger
-Bonney
-Kuma
-Sabo + Karasu + Lindberg + Morley
-Ancient Egghead Giant Robot, Emeth

Nah.

Look how hard it is for people to find Zunesha, and Zou is A GIANT ASS ELEPHANT.

It's almost impossible to hunt down one random dude sailing around who doesn't want to be found.

Much easier to sneak into Marijoa, SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much easier, the Celestial Dragon's security is SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

Fujitora trying to drop a meteor on the Holy Land, GOD
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See, I like this theory, but, then I think people would know it's a Fish-Man.

The fact that we have no description but "flames" makes me think it's not HIS scar, but that he's a concealed individual, who uses flames, and Shamrock was covering his face when we met him.
That's actually why they don't protect it at all. If they did, it would be virtually impossible for you to get a copy of it.
 

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#9
The whirlpool thing is what makes me think fishman. One thing we know they're good at is making whirlpools. Arlong and Jimbei both do it
Remember when people thought Barbell had the Mera Mera no Mi?



People only see his hair, his flame-like hair, on his ship, coming out from his robed figure, before his whirlpool sinks his ship.

This would also be wonderful, because it means there actually is a hidden Top-Tier Fish-Man/Merman in this series, that has historically been like "wow, these Fish-Men and Giants are SOOOOOOOOOOOO strong, until they have to freaking fight somebody"

Give me Barbell/Sunbell with a legit like 3-4 Billion Berry Bounty, stealth Yonkou Fish-Man.

Like, Harald and Loki have finally washed away any criticisms of Elbaph having weak top tiers.

Barbell and Sunbell both being legit 3 Billion+ Berry Pirates would do a lot for me and many others.

We have a lot of Roger Pirates in big positions, I kinda hope it's Barbell, and maybe Jinbe knows something about him.

"Fire Wound", or "Burn Scar", could also be much simpler than we're making it:

The Celestial Dragon Hoof, and Sun Pirate Mark, are both formed through branding the back, with the Sun Pirate Symbol being used to erase the Hoof: in this case, "Fire Wound" would literally be the brand that created the Hoof/Sun



Sunbell would know where the Road Poneglyph was, and, if Barbell survived God Valley, he should know about it, as well, having learned about history from Rocks.

Possible Sunbell/Barbell have Sun Pirate connections we aren't aware of (Fisher Tiger formed the Sun Pirates 15-years-ago)
 
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