One Piece Chapter 1164: Davy's Blood

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doffy still the blueprint

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People want Teach as Final Villain, but, IMO, this flashback proves Teach isn't truly evil, he does fucked up things because Teach realizes the level of commitment you need to actually beat Imu.

I think Nerona Imu is a Celestial Dragon possessed by the Awakened Mythical Zoan of the Earth God from the 1st Age. This means the Abyss God/Demon God possessing Imu is the Final Villain.

If this is correct, Imu is most likely an Orochi character: a coward with a powerful Devil Fruit hiding behind a much bigger Dragon. We know one character who openly wanted to seize Imu's power: Doffy.

I hope Earth God possessed Doflamingo is the Final Villain. Doflamingo is, IMO, BY FAR the most evil character in the series. Even Orochi's scum ass only wanted to destroy Wano. Doffy wanted to make the entire world Dressrosa and destroy everything he disliked.

I'm hoping Doflamingo makes his OG plan work somehow, and merges with the Earth God to become the true Final Villain.
 
People want Teach as Final Villain, but, IMO, this flashback proves Teach isn't truly evil, he does fucked up things because Teach realizes the level of commitment you need to actually beat Imu.

I think Nerona Imu is a Celestial Dragon possessed by the Awakened Mythical Zoan of the Earth God from the 1st Age. This means the Abyss God/Demon God possessing Imu is the Final Villain.
I think, in his search for revenge, BB will do such heinous things as to become the perfect vessel for whatever emptiness is possessing IMU, an even better vessel than the Nerona kid himself.

BB will get his revenge against IMU (pay-off for the DJ/Xebec will), then get possessed by the entity (Teach's own ironic tragedy) and be turned into an even bigger threat than either BB or IMU could be on their own.

Luffy defeating this Final Monster will both prove that he's better than the devil in any of its incarnation, and finally liberate BB himself, allowing him to sleep the endless sleep.
 
i've no problem with your taste, I have a problem when you affirm nonsensical analysis. No, in term of pure narration, it's uninteresting, nor cheap, nor boing nor problematic. Like I said, this is what YOU think. Storytelling is a craft before being something you enjoy and there is nothing wrong with it on a technical standpoint for the moment.
And as I have said, the only nonsensical analysis is yours when you try to pass this type ot takes.

It is indeed uninteresting, cheap, boring and problematic, as far as I am concerned. And as long as you keep trying to say it objectively isn't, or how others have to think or perceive those things, you only keep wrongly harassing others.

I don't care about what you find awefull (although I start to get pissed off whenthe hatred become a social norm like here) if you tell me "I don't like that because I think x is Y" that's your point of view. I don't have to say shit. But when you make bad general narrative affirmations as truth, I'm forced to intervene and explain to you how storytelling works. And in this case it does.
And I am forced, as I already did, to call this shit out: no.

It might be your opinion, which you are entitled to, and nothing more.

For them yes, again, here I never read that. On the other hand I read a lot of "one piece is X or Y", and mostly, as I explained, pure hatred. And it's not just once, it's twice three times, four time, it's ALL OVER this place. And sorry, but I'm not the problem and I'm not the one that either needs to quit, or learn to read a story without biases. Because that's precisely what is happening here.
You thinking all the rest live in some kind of perpetual bias is already a problem of ego, if nothing else, but anyway.

You don't have to cease, you have to learn to accept that others see the world differently.


So you are telling me that you listenned to what a marine admiral said about a pirate and took it has a non-exaggerated truth and then expected what he said to happened because Oda made it seems like somehow there was big drama inside the crew... ok.

But in reality, while being a jerk, Rocks was respected and it was mostly petty betrayals and not straight up murders.
If all this meant: Sengoku explicitly said the conflict inside the Rocks pirates was incredibly high when, in fact, between core members, we have only basically seen a gag about it, yes.

But on that, I have already said.

They didn't have to question anything mate. You are really creating a problem where there is none on something that happened in less than a few seconds. Really, that why I'm pissed off at people like you here. You isolate contextual information to create a problem in the story that does not exist. And they never made a big deal of out that, you are creating this on your own. It's not their character.
As usual, the blindness in front of clear problems. Which you are free to have, just not bother others who think otherwise.

I have already explained why it is indeed a problem for me, so it would be useless to do it again.

Oh trust me there is, it's not new and it's not just a One Piece problem. But enough about that. You wanna say something about the story ok. Use "I think" and I won't say shit. But if you start with big truth about the storytelling of One Piece, be prepared to hear what I have to say about that.
Same.

You wan to say something about the story, use "I think" and I won't say shit. But if you start with the big truths about how OP is objectively good and that something can't be uninteresting or cheap, be prepared to be called out for this shit.
 
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And as I have said, the only nonsensical analysis is yours when you try to pass this type ot takes.

It is indeed uninteresting, cheap, boring and problematic, as far as I am concerned. And as long as you keep trying to say it objectively isn't, or how others have to think or perceive those things, you only keep wrongly harassing others.
Oh, I'm harrassing others when you are destroying the fun of everyone by keeping the hate alive? You don't like me correcting your bad takes on storytelling, ignore. You will still get them for ruining my fun each time I read a F post. You wanna hate? Hate in silence or face the consequences of your baseless takes. Learn to enjoy stories again instead of trying to analysis them without the proper tools.


And I am forced, as I already did, to call this shit out: no.

It might be your opinion, which you are entitled to, and nothing more.
Storytelling is craft, there are things you can do well and things you can do badly depending on the rules of storytelling of a story and global storytelling rules as a whole... objectively! Whether someone likes it or not is a completely different story. Does One Piece respect storytelling in both its own structure and global narration as a whole here? Yes. There are no problems.

You thinking all the rest live in some kind of perpetual bias is already a problem of ego, if nothing else, but anyway.

You don't have to cease, you have to learn to accept that others see the world differently.
Yeah well.. i'm sorry but I'll ignore that, do the work of rethinking your own conception of the story and maybe you will call out my rethoric as an ego problem (which is partially is, but it's not the only issue). For the moment, you are the bell unaware of the dong that is coming.


If all this meant: Sengoku explicitly said the conflict inside the Rocks pirates was incredibly high when, in fact, between core members, we have only basically seen a gag about it, yes.

But on that, I have already said.
Petty conflicts, not dramatic betrayals.

As usual, the blindness in front of clear problems. Which you are free to have, just not bother others who think otherwise.

I have already explained why it is indeed a problem for me, so it would be useless to do it again.
Understand that constant hatred is already as bothering as ACTIVE toxicity against people who simply want to share their love for the story. It's a form of disrespect for the fans here in the current state. Critics are ok, but not when it becomes a social phenomenon and dog pilling of perpetual hatred pushed by biases and bad analysis. I've learned to critic the story healthily, I'm not the blind one here.

You wan to say something about the story, use "I think" and I won't say shit. But if you start with the big truths about how OP is objectively good and that something can't be uninteresting or cheap, be prepared to be called out for this shit.
I don't mind you being mad at me for criticizing your bad takes. But if it bothers you, learn storytelling and how to appreciate stories again, you will be able to give me lessons about it then. Stories can be objectively analyzed, that's something we learn when we understand how they work, not just when we look at AllthetropesDotOrg. I'll be conflictual as long as I sense baseless conflictuality.
 
Oh, I'm harrassing others when you are destroying the fun of everyone by keeping the hate alive?
If you really think that someone saying something is boring, uninteresting, etc. (all the while saying it is overall good, btw) ruins your fun, I think you should work on this perception. Really. It shouldn't.

Not to mention, I don't go around saying to people what they shouldn't like, but you do. Calling in "objective reasons" more so.

You don't like me correcting your bad takes on storytelling, ignore. You will still get them for ruining my fun each time I read a F post. You wanna hate? Hate in silence or face the consequences of your baseless takes. Learn to enjoy stories again instead of trying to analysis them without the proper tools.
No, I don't like you trying to pass these things as somehow objective, which is baseless and wrong.

As said, while I am enjoying Erbaf and this FB, I find the DR mechanic boring, uninteresting, cheap and poorly managed. You are free to think the opposite.

I don't feel bothered by you enjoying DR at all, as you shouldn't be by me not doing so. I am only going to call this shit about some "storytelling perspective" about how I shouldn't find it boring or uninteresting because that is purely nonsensical, but aside from that I am even happy you like it.

Storytelling is craft, there are things you can do well and things you can do badly depending on the rules of storytelling of a story and global storytelling rules as a whole... objectively! Whether someone likes it or not is a completely different story. Does One Piece respect storytelling in both its own structure and global narration as a whole here? Yes. There are no problems.
Funny thing, I don't think I ever brought these types of arguments.

I said what I like and what I don't, I said what I find poorly done and whatnot. I don't think I have ever addressed the global narration of the manga.


Petty conflicts, not dramatic betrayals.


Which is completely different from what we got and compèletely out of scale compared to reactions like these:




Understand that constant hatred is already as bothering as ACTIVE toxicity against people who simply want to share their love for the story. It's a form of disrespect for the fans here in the current state. Critics are ok, but not when it becomes a social phenomenon and dog pilling of perpetual hatred pushed by biases and bad analysis. I've learned to critic the story healthily, I'm not the blind one here.
I don't know why you are implying this again: I am not in the habit of enjoying something and shit on it anyway. I objectively (since we like this term) don't do it.

I even praised publicly Erbaf and this FB. Simply, I don't like all the choices made, and when I don't, I say I don't. When I don, which happens often lately, I do.

I don't mind you being mad at me for criticizing your bad takes. But if it bothers you, learn storytelling and how to appreciate stories again, you will be able to give me lessons about it then. Stories can be objectively analyzed, that's something we learn when we understand how they work, not just when we look at AllthetropesDotOrg. I'll be conflictual as long as I sense baseless conflictuality.
I am not mad at you. I don't and I am never going to let pass the concept that there are objective reasons why something is objectively not boring, cheap or uninteresting, as I think DR is. We can discuss if it is incoherent, which is another thing completely, but not that.

Other than that, as said, I am even happy if you like it.

However, I don't and I would have liked a different ending for Xebec's plot.
 
If you really think that someone saying something is boring, uninteresting, etc. (all the while saying it is overall good, btw) ruins your fun, I think you should work on this perception. Really. It shouldn't.

Not to mention, I don't go around saying to people what they shouldn't like, but you do. Calling in "objective reasons" more so.
Like I said, you are not aware of the problem. My perception is fine, I don't mind critics I have some myself. But I mind when these critics are taking all the space and when we can't enjoy something without having three people telling you how bad something are, thus taking the space.. for years.. everywhere. You might be new in the fanbase, but I've lived in it long enough to be tired of this behavior.



Not to mention, I don't go around saying to people what they shouldn't like, but you do. Calling in "objective reasons" more so.
It's not about you. I'm not mad at you, but the movement. I'm angry at the fact that we can't post a thread anywhere without toxicity happening, we can't post excitement without seeing people trashing everything, everyday, every chapter. If you are ok with this, I'm not the problem. As a reminder, we are not in a hating zone, we are in a fanbase one. You are aquainting yourself with toxicity, I'm not.


No, I don't like you trying to pass these things as somehow objective, which is baseless and wrong.
No. This is knowledge. There is absolutely NO reasons to consider this a cheap situation and character trait outside a negative appreciation of a subjective and biased look on a NEUTRAL trope. Again, a trope is just a trope, it's not bad or good, it's the usage that make it bad or good, and there is no problematic usage here. It's well applied, it's dramatic, it tearing, and it's creative thematically.

I don't feel bothered by you enjoying DR at all
Again, I don't mind your opinion, although it's based on biased takes, I mind when people don't understand that sharing negative opinion all the time in a fanbase.. has a negative effect on said fanbase, thus creating more reasons for everyone to developp bad opinion and biased take thus potentially affecting not only you but also people outside your circle and sometimes potentially the story.


I said what I like and what I don't, I said what I find poorly done and whatnot. I don't think I have ever addressed the global narration of the manga.
No. You said what was bad and was not. Not your feelings about it. One is an affirmation created as truth, the others is an opinion. Again. You need to understand that I'm only answering to you because you answer to me, I'm not targetting you, but the system that breeds negativity here and all the movement as a whole. While you might not see it. We all feel the impact of it. This forum too (dying)


Which is completely different from what we got and compèletely out of scale compared to reactions like these:

Understand here what made you think Kaido was mentioning a dramatic situation. And understand that you expected something that was not necessarily prepared. The guy is smiling, it was a fun time for him. Which was confirmed in the FB. Sengoku on the other hand, was probably exaggerating and shouldn't be taken as truth. As always we don't understand that words can have different meanings.


I don't know why you are implying this again: I am not in the habit of enjoying something and shit on it anyway. I objectively (since we like this term) don't do it.
And yet, I seems it's not the first time that we are clashing because you are participating in a biased dog-pilling of critics and because I don't like that kind of dog pilling. Again, understand that you are not alone, I'm facing dozen and dozen of you who are constantly (literally) shitting on One Piece, most of the time for reasons that have little to do with an actual objective storytelling argument.


I don't and I am never going to let pass the concept that there are objective reasons why something is objectively not boring
Boring is subjective. I'm talking about something being good/bad. I can find something boring a day & find it amazingly interesting the next. The appreciation of a media is contextual and bilateral, you give as much as you receive. Thus if you only give negativity to the story, you will only receive it's negative parts. That's why to appreciate something, you must be sure to look at it in the best conditions.
 
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Kaido and Linlin were actually loyal to Rocks, and believe he betrayed them. That's why they turned out as they did :josad:
Possible, but Rocks had a visible change in personality and looks after he got stabbed by Imu. I think what Kaido meant earlier about betrayal was the actions of the other Rocks Pirates who used the incident to gain as much as possible for themselves even if it means to fight and kill people of the own crew
 
Imu as a final villain is just trash
Another kaguya
Regen merchant
The idea with a hidden king commanding the five elders and sitting on an empty throne is a very good base imo.

But I agree that Imu needs a lot more depth and is currently just this evil silhouette with superpowers. But Oda will definitely deliver, no doubt as always.
 
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