One Piece Chapter 1164: Davy's Blood
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I have been following OP since 2010, more or less. End of MF.
But what do you mean by toxicity?
Because if toxicity is criticising something, that's a pretty hard line to draw.
But if I think as such for the reasons said, why should I not say it? Why shouldn't I voice what I think?
And what I am telling you, negative opinion =/ bias.
I am not feeling targeted, don't worry.
But tbh, I don't think voicing out what you think it's wrong it's a problem; we voice out what's good too: I have been doing so for Xebec, Erbaf, Harald, this whole FB and so on.
Kaido's smile was a smile of recognition. Tbh, do you think he was smiling out of amusement while saying betrayal among pirates is the norm?
I get this thing it's not incoherent, I am not saying it is: I am saying I don't like the choice. I am saying It would have been better, for me, otherwise.
There are things I don't like. Last time we discussed it was about G5 I think, but overall I like the manga. If not, I wouldn't read it.
Nothing is perfect in general, so there is always going to be space for criticism.
Yeah, but even "good" and "bad" are.
Coherent and incoherent are not, in general, but no one said the DR (for example) is incoherent, even though it begs to ask why Imu didn't turn anybody. But he/she seems to be totally passive, so we'll see and judge when we'll know why Imu acts like this.
But what do you mean by toxicity?
Because if toxicity is criticising something, that's a pretty hard line to draw.
But if I think as such for the reasons said, why should I not say it? Why shouldn't I voice what I think?
And what I am telling you, negative opinion =/ bias.
I am not feeling targeted, don't worry.
But tbh, I don't think voicing out what you think it's wrong it's a problem; we voice out what's good too: I have been doing so for Xebec, Erbaf, Harald, this whole FB and so on.
Kaido's smile was a smile of recognition. Tbh, do you think he was smiling out of amusement while saying betrayal among pirates is the norm?
I get this thing it's not incoherent, I am not saying it is: I am saying I don't like the choice. I am saying It would have been better, for me, otherwise.
There are things I don't like. Last time we discussed it was about G5 I think, but overall I like the manga. If not, I wouldn't read it.
Nothing is perfect in general, so there is always going to be space for criticism.
Yeah, but even "good" and "bad" are.
Coherent and incoherent are not, in general, but no one said the DR (for example) is incoherent, even though it begs to ask why Imu didn't turn anybody. But he/she seems to be totally passive, so we'll see and judge when we'll know why Imu acts like this.
In 2010, this was already visible. I remember clashing with people during thriller bark and Impel Down. Sometimes for good, but mostly for bad reasons. Which was repeated on Punk Hazard of course, Dressrosa, Whole Cake (it was massive) and Wano. But in reality, there were never real problems. While the arcs are not all hype the same way of course, the hatred was multiplied by echo chambers.
I mean by that a form of critic that is most of the time not narratively based or projected on a narrative analysis but through personnal bias, most of the time because of bad expectations, bad reading context or competitive agenda. Such critics when formulated are usually repeated and dogpilled massively simply by social pressure. Becoming the fuel for the hatred and trashing of arcs and characters or fans.
There is two things, first, I don't mind if you express your test as long as it can be made sure that this is what you feel and not simply an affirmation on the objective quality of the story, while I would probably say "I do not agree", I wouldn't enter in conflictuality. The other things is the fact that there is a dogpile of critics, this is not good and I believe that we should recognize when this happens to avoid it.
It's not that simple. You might not know me, but I'm highly political and thus I know who negative opinion and biases are in reality looped together, one feeds the other, especially confirmation biases. It's important to break the cycle and integrate a more objective look on what we consume, also a political one (but that's another story). In this case it's separating what we want from what we get.
Yeah, but we all need to understand that the appreciation of things is as contextual as it is personal. We are not only influenced by our life when we read OP now, but also by how our fanbase circle see the story. Unless we are actively fighting this negativity like I do, we will get influenced by it. So while we need to stay reasonable on our tastes, a good reading experience is a positive one.
Fair. I think Kaido remembered the past and indeed, felt a little bit salty, but not to the point of being depressed about it. Kaido had more of a problem with his own strenght, he wanted an honorable fight and death.
I can believe it. The problem is that WG is not known for expressing this love, but for expressing its hatred of the story. Some people even explained that they came here because it was impossible to trash the story like that elsewhere. While I don't mind this when it's kept under control, this phenomenon is starting to take a lot of place in the fanbase and ALL the place here.
That's why waiting in One Piece is always the best option. The fanbase pushes us to have a definite opinion, when in reality, we only got the first half of the candy, the second, the way this power works, will come later. So it's important to wait, hold judgment, look at the story with a more objective approach on analysis and most of all, be sure to let the right feeling enter our experience : Here, it's fear.
I mean by that a form of critic that is most of the time not narratively based or projected on a narrative analysis but through personnal bias, most of the time because of bad expectations, bad reading context or competitive agenda. Such critics when formulated are usually repeated and dogpilled massively simply by social pressure. Becoming the fuel for the hatred and trashing of arcs and characters or fans.
There is two things, first, I don't mind if you express your test as long as it can be made sure that this is what you feel and not simply an affirmation on the objective quality of the story, while I would probably say "I do not agree", I wouldn't enter in conflictuality. The other things is the fact that there is a dogpile of critics, this is not good and I believe that we should recognize when this happens to avoid it.
It's not that simple. You might not know me, but I'm highly political and thus I know who negative opinion and biases are in reality looped together, one feeds the other, especially confirmation biases. It's important to break the cycle and integrate a more objective look on what we consume, also a political one (but that's another story). In this case it's separating what we want from what we get.
Yeah, but we all need to understand that the appreciation of things is as contextual as it is personal. We are not only influenced by our life when we read OP now, but also by how our fanbase circle see the story. Unless we are actively fighting this negativity like I do, we will get influenced by it. So while we need to stay reasonable on our tastes, a good reading experience is a positive one.
Fair. I think Kaido remembered the past and indeed, felt a little bit salty, but not to the point of being depressed about it. Kaido had more of a problem with his own strenght, he wanted an honorable fight and death.
I can believe it. The problem is that WG is not known for expressing this love, but for expressing its hatred of the story. Some people even explained that they came here because it was impossible to trash the story like that elsewhere. While I don't mind this when it's kept under control, this phenomenon is starting to take a lot of place in the fanbase and ALL the place here.
That's why waiting in One Piece is always the best option. The fanbase pushes us to have a definite opinion, when in reality, we only got the first half of the candy, the second, the way this power works, will come later. So it's important to wait, hold judgment, look at the story with a more objective approach on analysis and most of all, be sure to let the right feeling enter our experience : Here, it's fear.
Man this flashback is God-tier. What an arc so far. And as soon as we get back to the present there's a whole other shit-show to resolve on Elbaph directly after this. This arc for me has been better than Wano and Egghead combined. Good on Oda for stepping it up. I havent been this interested and invested in a One Piece arc since Enies Lobby.
Is there a break today? Really want that next chapter lol
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Every time (after Marineford) that Oda has to deal with more than 5 important characters at the same time, things start making less and less sense lol.
Everyone except for Rocks looks so...inactive in this flashback.If you asked some random to read the God Valley incident it would probably be impossible for them to tell who the King of the pirates is out of all these characters lol.
Everyone except for Rocks looks so...inactive in this flashback.If you asked some random to read the God Valley incident it would probably be impossible for them to tell who the King of the pirates is out of all these characters lol.
