Speculations Imu STILL may not be the Sea God!

[OykotsTreasure]

Okay, I'll fully admit, this thread is a LOTTA cope. I was a big public proponent of Imu turning out to be the Forest God, not the Sea God like so many other people thought. With the reveal about how Imu's contracts work, it seems like it's almost a guaranteed slam dunk that Imu is the Sea God.

...Or so you would think.

Because while it IS looking pretty likely that Imu is the Sea God, there's actually still a little bit of wiggle room here to talk about.

So, while the simplest solution to all this is that Imu simply is the Sea God, and I'll admit that's looking to be the most likely case, I'm still not completely ready to admit defeat, yet. Not without a little bit of a fight, anyway.



Okay, so let's discuss the Contracts. In the original Japanese, these contracts are called:

Senkai Keiyaku (浅海契約) for the Shallows Contract.

Shinkai Keiyaku (深海契約)) for the Depths Contract.

Shin-Shinkai Keiyaku (深々海契約) for the Abyssal (Deep-Deep Sea) Contract.

Now these words, as they are "spelled" in the original Japanese...are pretty explicitly related to the sea. They all even have the word for "ocean" or "Umi" (海) included in there. "Umi" is usually read as "kai" when it's a part of a compound word, so that's where the "kai" in each of these words is coming from.

https://jisho.org/forum/60747479d5dda72a5c000000-hai-kai-or-umi

So, this is a pretty open and shut case, right? All of Imu's contracts have the word for "ocean" right there. Imu is "umi" backwards. We can all go home now, right? I just have to admit that I was wrong, and Imu was always foreshadowed to be the Sea God. Simple.

Well...maybe and maybe not.

Because, interestingly, it seems as though Oda has actually picked words that can actually mean completely different things...if you "spell" them differently.

What I'm saying is, Oda might be purposely "spelling" these words wrong, in order to hide the true meaning from the audience. They're all possibly homophones with other, similar words.

"Senkai" for expample doesn't ONLY mean "shallow". If you spell it differently, it could also mean "a dwelling place of hermits" (仙界) or "gyrating/rotating" (旋回)
https://www.nihongomaster.com/japanese/dictionary/word/37097/senkai-仙界-せんかい
https://www.tanoshiijapanese.com/dictionary/entry_details.cfm?entry_id=37187&
https://www.tanoshiijapanese.com/dictionary/entry_details.cfm?entry_id=37629&j=旋回

"Shinkai" is actually pretty interesting. Because "Shinkai" is also a way to "rank" the gods in a area. The higher the rank of a god, the more lands they got for their shrine, and the wealthier the shrine and it's god and it's followers became.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkai_(divine_rank)\
"Shin" also has a number of possible meanings. It can mean "new", "true", "heart", or "god". But, there is another way to write "shin" that also means "forest" (森).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_(given_name)
https://en.pon-navi.net/nazuke/name/reading/a/shinkai
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/森

Similarly, "Kai" can have many different meanings, depending on how it's written. It can mean "ocean"(海) , or it can mean "Shell" (貝), "meeting or club" (会), or others.
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...577cfff2988c0089fc7c5ae1b6d7e626a7fb7a9b.html
https://kai.ai/blog/whats-in-a-name-the-many-remarkable-meanings-of-kai/
https://romajidesu.com/dictionary/meaning-of-kai.html

So, while "Shinkai" as it's spelled in the manga definitely means "Shallow Sea". If you choose to spell it differently, it could also mean something like "Forest Gathering".

And "Shin-Shinkai"...is just making it a "deeper" version of the whatever you choose you make "shin" mean. There's also a "Shinshinkai" from the manga Baki the Grappler which means "Divine Heart Association", which I doubt is a reference but I'll mention it anyway. As it's spelled in the manga, it means the "Deep-Deep Sea". But, again, if you chose to spell it differently, "Shin-shin" (森森) could also mean "Heavily Forested".
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/森森#Japanese
https://www.nihongomaster.com/japanese/dictionary/word/81365/shinshin-森森-森々-しんしん
https://jiaronglau.com/threads/677626.291513/#post-5154450

Now, why would the Forest God be pretending to be the Sea God? I'll admit...it'd be weird. But, it could just be as simple as Imu thinking that the Sea God is more "scary" than themselves. So, they're pretending to be the Sea Devil to get more respect. Or it could have just been a misunderstanding that never got corrected, which does feel like something One Piece would do.



But, that raises question...does any of this actually matter? Sure, there are a lot of homophones for these specific words that Oda chose. But, he spelled it in the manga as he spelled it. So...again, case closed, right? When has Oda ever PURPOSELY misspelled something, just to act as a red herring? Especially if he's letting the official English version also get it "wrong"?

Well, to that I say...remember "Raftel"? How many years did Oda let the official English translation use that nonsense word? Oda is NOT shy about letting the "wrong" translation spread, if it's for the sake of a story reveal later down the line. Like revealing the "real" spelling is actually "Laugh Tale".

Though, I'll admit, that was a slightly different situation. With "Raftel" he was using "phonetic" hiragana to hide the meaning. If I'm right, here he's purposefully misusing the wrong kanji in order to obscure what's really going on. That's...a little farther than Oda usually goes in order to support a Red Herring. I can't think off the top of my head any time Oda has purposely "misspelled" a word in Kanji.

But, there's a first time for everything. And this IS Imu we're talking about. One way or another Imu is probably VERY important to a lot of the big mysteries of One Piece. So, Oda might be bringing out the big guns to hide his mysteries and reveals for this one. Even if he has to go so far as to make it seem like his Forest God is actually the Sea God, as part of a massive Red Herring to throw the scent off speculators in order to pull off a big reveal later down the line.

Plus...I feel like this COULD have some further relevance to the story. Because I have a feeling something like this could also be true for Bink's Sake. People have been trying to "decode" Bink's Sake for years. And I have a feeling the key to decoding it's true meaning lies in using similar "homophones" in place of the words that Oda actually uses. Hiding the true meaning of Bink's Sake by purposefully using "misspellings". Either that or changing things due to how the "letters" are "spaced", creating completely different words by changing where you break up each word. But, I feel like THIS "misspelling" could be used to prepare us for the MUCH more intricate "misspellings" hidden in Bink's Sake.



But, there is also another alternative here that I want to discuss. Because, so far, most people who have theorized about which God Imu could actually be have been making a big assumption. That Imu is only ONE of the 4 Gods. That the 4 Gods are completely separate characters.

Well...what if that's the wrong way to think about it?

What if this isn't a either/or option? What if Imu IS the Forest God...AND the Sea God...AND the Earth God? All at the same time?

What if Imu is actually...3 out of the 4 Gods, already? Could it be possible that Imu has actually already eaten the other 3 God Fruits, and just need's Luffy's Sun God Fruit to become the "True God" of this World? What if the God Fruits are basically like the Dragon Balls? You need to "collect" them all in order to gain their true power?

We DO know that "Mu's world is incomplete" (Chapter 1163). So...maybe Imu was talking literally. They're literally only missing 1/4th of the keys they need to become the "True God" of this world. And rule unopposed.

Take another look at the Contract Marks we've been seeing in the story. The "base" for all the Marks seems to be a circle split into 4 quadrants by two "bones". Just like how the entire World is split into 4 Seas by the Red Line and Grand Line. There seems like there's a pattern, here. A single object...split into 4 artificially. If the entire World's ocean has been split into pieces artificially, somehow...then why wouldn't the "True God" of this world ALSO be split into 4 pieces?

This would mean that Imu isn't JUST responsible for the flooding (Sea God Powers), but also the creation of Devil Fruits (Forest God Powers), and also the creation of the Red Line (Earth God Powers). Although, I'll admit there's a problem with even that line of thought. Since, the God Fruits don't actually seem to have much connection to the elements they're named after. The Sea God, Forest God, and Earth God are more likely to have the powers of collecting things, playing board-games, and making things with legos rather than the power over the sea, plants, and ground. Still...I suppose you could get both at higher level "awakenings"?

There could be a couple ways Imu could do this. Imu might have a similar ability to Blackbeard, so Imu can just eat 4 Devil Fruits because their body might be extra-special. Or maybe the 4 God Fruits don't really count as "regular" Devil Fruits, because you're basically only eating 1/4th of the "true" Fruit whenever you eat one. Either way, there are ways to make this work.

Now...a good part of me doesn't believe that Oda would actually do this. Because you'd be cutting down the potential number of characters. Oda LOVES designing new characters. It's like...his favorite part of doing this manga. So, if Oda has a chance to create 3 new characters with godlike abilities...or have 1 character with 3 different godlike abilities...Oda is probably going to choose to make 3 different God Fruit Users instead. That's usually how Oda's brain works. But...this could be a exception to the rule. And we could still get past God Fruit Users in flashbacks. So, Oda COULD still create a handful of new characters AND make Imu ultra-overpowered by having 3 out of the 4 God Fruits of this World. Oda COULD do both!

This would mean that neither Loki nor Blackbeard have either of the other God Fruits, though. And...if so...I'm not sure where that would leave Blackbeard. I guess Blackbeard could be the one to kill Imu and get their 3 God Fruits. But, that feels less interesting than Blackbeard already having one with the Darkness Fruit secretly being one like Luffy's Fruit turned out to be. Maybe there's more gods than we know about, or maybe the Darkness Fruit could be a "Demon" instead of a "God". But, it would be...odd. I'm not sure.

I don't know if I actually believe that Oda would do this. But, I do think it's a possible solution to the problem. And it would make things more exciting if Imu was already 3/4ths of the way to completing their goal. Luffy would basically be the only thing standing between Imu and total control of the planet.



So, this might all be a exercise in futility. Imu could just be the Sea God and it's just that simple. OR Oda could be hiding that Imu's actually the Forest God in plain sight. OR...we've all been fools debating all this for all this time, and Imu is actually holding 3 out of the 4 greatest powers this World has to offer. But, I just want to say...it's not a sure thing any way, yet! There's still possibilities for twists, still unforeseen, here! Only time will tell!

 

[MonsterKaido]

Imu is earth god, forest god and sea god all at once

 

[moreha9685]

Imu is earth god, forest god and sea god all at once

The three heads on BB's flag; and papa darkness gobbles all three up.

 

[Rootbeer]

I don't even think that Imu is one of the One Piece Gods.. He's a '' Poser '' God like Kaido.. They both have incredibly powerful devil fruits but they pale in comparison to true God Devil Fruits.. Imu is the Wannabe Abyss God, when Blackbeard will awaken the real Abyss God of Darkness for the first time.. In that regard, i wonder if Loki is going to be a Poser God or a Real God..

 

[OykotsTreasure]

The three heads on BB's flag; and papa darkness gobbles all three up.

Good catch! I actually didn't think about that. The 3 Skulls could represent Imu, the "Three Gods in One", in this theory. It'd kind of make sense if Blackbeard is holding a grudge, given what happened to his dad. "My name is Davy D Teach...you killed my father...prepare to die!"

It might even track for Oars and Little Oars Jr to be wearing the 3 Skulls, if it's because Imu's been the god of this world long enough to influence their culture.

I don't even think that Imu is one of the One Piece Gods.. He's a '' Poser '' God like Kaido.. They both have incredibly powerful devil fruits but they pale in comparison to true God Devil Fruits.. Imu is the Wannabe Abyss God, when Blackbeard will awaken the real Abyss God of Darkness for the first time.. In that regard, i wonder if Loki is going to be a Poser God or a Real God..

I feel like Imu is probably at least one of the God Fruit Users. If only because we are in the Final Saga, and Oda needs to start introducing who those guys are. Otherwise we're just going to have a massive glut of new characters show up at the very, very end. Which...this is One Piece, that's likely going to happen, anyway. But, I'd like to minimize that as much as possible.

Plus, I feel like Imu's powers are similar enough to Luffy's Sun God powers that they most likely have at least one of the God Fruits. "Board Games" feels like it fits alongside "Imagination" as a possible "Godly" power in this world. If all the God Powers are themed around literally "Playing God".

I do agree with the general idea that none of the characters we know will likely end up being the True Final Threat of the series, though. I have a feeling we haven't met the final opponent of the series yet. It's probably going to be someone or something that connects all the lore together. One final piece of the puzzle, as it were.

There is another possibility, though. I didn't mention it because it's pretty unlikely. But, it could be that there's 4 "High Demon" Fruits to counter the 4 God Fruits. 4 "Negative" Gods and 4 "Positive" Gods. The "Black Star Dragon Balls" to counter the "Normal Dragon Balls", as it were. That way, we have a race between Imu and Blackbeard to see who can complete their set first, eat all 4 Fruits in their set, and gain ultimate power over this world. Giving Blackbeard a more or less equal chance to overthrow Imu. But, again, there's nothing to support that.




Y'know what? Here's a little bonus part of the theory I forgot to mention.

In the Chapter 1138 Mural, we get repeated lines of "They will never meet again". We've been thinking that this line refers to other characters who get separated. Perhaps the God Fruit Users, or perhaps the Ancient Weapon Keepers. But, what if it's the opposite?

What if the reason that these unnamed entities "will never meet again" is because they got absorbed into each other? If they're all part of the same person, they cannot meet. So, maybe the line of "They will never meet again" is referring to Imu eating the God Fruits, one by one. The God Fruits will never be reincarnated into separate people again, because one person is eating them all.

In the First World, Imu ate the Forest and the Earth God Fruits. By the end of the Second World, Imu got their hands on the Sea God Fruit. And in the Third World, we will see Imu finally confront Luffy/the Sun God, and try to take his Fruit, completing the set.

Again, I don't know if this is likely. But, I feel like it more or less works. I feel like it's a interesting read, if nothing else.

 

[Moewu]

Very fascinating topic. I am still puzzled by the fact that devil fruit users lose their ability to swim. Like what or who causes that ? It's like a natural law that is just applied, and you can't do anything against it.

If the Devil's Fruits resulted from the hopes and dreams of the people, why would they wish for a disadvantage like that?

Luffy as Sungod Nika could just spawn things out of nowhere with the toon force. Like glasses, etc. But even with that "God Power", he will probably lose his powers when he falls into a lake or the ocean. (We still don't know his full capacity yet)

So how powerful is that thing that caused this disadvantage on purpose ?

Could this also explain the powers of Mrs. Goldenweek, Madame Shyarly, or Faust, who is a real magician from the Hawkins Pirates ?

Did all the 4 gods apply some supernatural laws to the One Piece World that, on rare occasions, people with real magic powers get born ?

Maybe I am just stretching this too far. I am sure there will be simple answers.

Also, why are they fearing that someone might find the One Piece, with powers like that, "allegedly changing natural laws" as they please? What does the One Piece do? Atleast, this could tell us that it is not just something simple.

Whitebeard and Roger, talking about "turning the world upside down, will certainly play a role too. Perhaps they meant that literally.

 

[OykotsTreasure]

Very fascinating topic. I am still puzzled by the fact that devil fruit users lose their ability to swim. Like what or who causes that ? It's like a natural law that is just applied, and you can't do anything against it.

Personally, I kind of have to wonder if it literally has something to do with "density"?

One Piece has a lot of fantasy elements, but it also takes a bit from sci-fi, too. So, I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is a little bit of both.

From Vegapunk's experiments, we know the soul both exists and has it's own literal weight. "Souls" weigh something in this World. We know that Zoan Devil Fruits has some level of will of their own, but it's possible that every Devil Fruit has some level of independent will, since they probably at least want to "grant their wish" that created them. If every Devil Fruit has the "soul" of the person who wished the Fruit into existence inside of it, that means when you eat a Devil Fruit you also get the original wisher's "soul" inside of you.

Which means, after you eat a Devil Fruit, you have 2 souls inside your body. Your's and the original wisher's. Which means you'd likely be SLIGHTLY heavier or denser after eating a Devil Fruit. And that extra weight or density may just be enough to no longer allow you to have the buoyancy necessary in order to swim. You're basically trying to swim with a weight tied around you.



OR...It's possible it's got something to do with this world being "transformed" or "terraformed" in some way. We know that there's been some level of alteration done to this world. The existence of the Red Line at the very least hints at that. But, we really don't know how much. We know that certain Devil Fruit Awakenings can change the environment around them. So, it's possible that over the years the entire World has been altered from it's original state in various ways.

The One Piece World also may be larger than Earth is. Which means it should have a higher gravity. But, humans are still able to live on this planet. Possibly because it was terraformed in the past to suit humans? It's possible that the very gravity of this planet could have been altered in the past, to make it more habitable for humans.

But, it's possible that the water on the planet was never "altered" in the same way. Keeping it's original properties. Maybe somehow connected to it's role as "the universal solvent", thus being immune to the changes "dissolving" them away? So, if the water is the only thing left on the planet that's keeping it's original properties, maybe when a Devil Fruit User goes into the water, it causes problems that don't exist in the terraformed land and air? Causing the original gravity of this world to reassert itself on the User and dragging them down?

This is a weird idea, I'll admit. And I'm not sure it makes sense. But, I do have a feeling the transformation or terraforming of this planet could somehow be a factor.



OR...It really just the "Curse of the Sea God", one way or another. It could just be a powerful Devil Fruit ability. If we go with the "Playing God" idea for the God Fruits, maybe someone started a game of "the floor is lava" that never ended? It'd be strange for that to only effect Devil Fruit Users, but it depends on the rules of the game, I suppose. And Imu's powers do seem to be game-based in various ways.

So, there's a few options.

Could this also explain the powers of Mrs. Goldenweek, Madame Shyarly, or Faust, who is a real magician from the Hawkins Pirates ?

Now, this, I think, is Oda setting up a Third Power System. To go along with Devil Fruits and Haki.

Because, most of these characters have something in common. They all seem to be using "Symbol Magic".

As we've seen lately, Imu and God's Knights are using the Abyss Marks and Contracts to gain powers and abilities.

Miss Goldenweek's Color Trap involves painting a symbol on their opponent, with different colors having different effects.

On Wano, the Marys use their All-Seeing-Eye face charms in order to form a sort of hive mind together.

Madame Shyarly, if you look VERY closely, has a BUNCH of Eye (or Sun) symbols all over the inside of her hoodie. Which could at least be used to amplify her natural precognitive powers.

Even Estrid's Earth-Wind Arts, which is basically Feng Shui, could be a type of "Symbol Magic". Rearranging furniture and the objects to form different patterns in the environment in your home. Basically, forming a pattern on the ground that didn't exist before.

As for Faust? Um...I guess he has that Cross that he wears? Maybe that's his "Symbol Magic"? (Although, if that is so, I guess that could mean Mihawk is also using "Symbol Magic"?)

In my mind, "Symbol Magic" would be the power of the mind and knowledge. You would need to know how to use it and study it in order to use it properly. Basically, it's alchemy. It would basically be like learning how to code a computer program, but you're learning how to "reprogram" reality. In contrast to Devil Fruits which are the power of dreams and the soul. And Haki which would be the power of willpower and the body. Completing a trinity of mind, body, and soul. I think this Third "Symbol Magic" System could explain all the unexplained instances of "real magic" in the One Piece World. Maybe it's all part of the Abyss, or maybe the Abyss is only a small part of the larger "Symbol Magic" system, but either way, I suspect something's up.

I do think Oda's setting up something with "Symbol Magic". It's appeared often enough in the background that I'm pretty sure it's going to be a real thing in the actual story. But, who knows? I could be completely off base with this.

Whitebeard and Roger, talking about "turning the world upside down, will certainly play a role too. Perhaps they meant that literally.

That ties into Pole Shift Theory and...I'm just going to leave a link to a video. It can probably explain the idea better than I can.

 

[Moewu]

Personally, I kind of have to wonder if it literally has something to do with "density"?

One Piece has a lot of fantasy elements, but it also takes a bit from sci-fi, too. So, I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is a little bit of both.

From Vegapunk's experiments, we know the soul both exists and has it's own literal weight. "Souls" weigh something in this World. We know that Zoan Devil Fruits has some level of will of their own, but it's possible that every Devil Fruit has some level of independent will, since they probably at least want to "grant their wish" that created them. If every Devil Fruit has the "soul" of the person who wished the Fruit into existence inside of it, that means when you eat a Devil Fruit you also get the original wisher's "soul" inside of you.

Which means, after you eat a Devil Fruit, you have 2 souls inside your body. Your's and the original wisher's. Which means you'd likely be SLIGHTLY heavier or denser after eating a Devil Fruit. And that extra weight or density may just be enough to no longer allow you to have the buoyancy necessary in order to swim. You're basically trying to swim with a weight tied around you.



OR...It's possible it's got something to do with this world being "transformed" or "terraformed" in some way. We know that there's been some level of alteration done to this world. The existence of the Red Line at the very least hints at that. But, we really don't know how much. We know that certain Devil Fruit Awakenings can change the environment around them. So, it's possible that over the years the entire World has been altered from it's original state in various ways.

The One Piece World also may be larger than Earth is. Which means it should have a higher gravity. But, humans are still able to live on this planet. Possibly because it was terraformed in the past to suit humans? It's possible that the very gravity of this planet could have been altered in the past, to make it more habitable for humans.

But, it's possible that the water on the planet was never "altered" in the same way. Keeping it's original properties. Maybe somehow connected to it's role as "the universal solvent", thus being immune to the changes "dissolving" them away? So, if the water is the only thing left on the planet that's keeping it's original properties, maybe when a Devil Fruit User goes into the water, it causes problems that don't exist in the terraformed land and air? Causing the original gravity of this world to reassert itself on the User and dragging them down?

This is a weird idea, I'll admit. And I'm not sure it makes sense. But, I do have a feeling the transformation or terraforming of this planet could somehow be a factor.



OR...It really just the "Curse of the Sea God", one way or another. It could just be a powerful Devil Fruit ability. If we go with the "Playing God" idea for the God Fruits, maybe someone started a game of "the floor is lava" that never ended? It'd be strange for that to only effect Devil Fruit Users, but it depends on the rules of the game, I suppose. And Imu's powers do seem to be game-based in various ways.

So, there's a few options.


Now, this, I think, is Oda setting up a Third Power System. To go along with Devil Fruits and Haki.

Because, most of these characters have something in common. They all seem to be using "Symbol Magic".

As we've seen lately, Imu and God's Knights are using the Abyss Marks and Contracts to gain powers and abilities.

Miss Goldenweek's Color Trap involves painting a symbol on their opponent, with different colors having different effects.

On Wano, the Marys use their All-Seeing-Eye face charms in order to form a sort of hive mind together.

Madame Shyarly, if you look VERY closely, has a BUNCH of Eye (or Sun) symbols all over the inside of her hoodie. Which could at least be used to amplify her natural precognitive powers.

Even Estrid's Earth-Wind Arts, which is basically Feng Shui, could be a type of "Symbol Magic". Rearranging furniture and the objects to form different patterns in the environment in your home. Basically, forming a pattern on the ground that didn't exist before.

As for Faust? Um...I guess he has that Cross that he wears? Maybe that's his "Symbol Magic"? (Although, if that is so, I guess that could mean Mihawk is also using "Symbol Magic"?)

In my mind, "Symbol Magic" would be the power of the mind and knowledge. You would need to know how to use it and study it in order to use it properly. Basically, it's alchemy. It would basically be like learning how to code a computer program, but you're learning how to "reprogram" reality. In contrast to Devil Fruits which are the power of dreams and the soul. And Haki which would be the power of willpower and the body. Completing a trinity of mind, body, and soul. I think this Third "Symbol Magic" System could explain all the unexplained instances of "real magic" in the One Piece World. Maybe it's all part of the Abyss, or maybe the Abyss is only a small part of the larger "Symbol Magic" system, but either way, I suspect something's up.

I do think Oda's setting up something with "Symbol Magic". It's appeared often enough in the background that I'm pretty sure it's going to be a real thing in the actual story. But, who knows? I could be completely off base with this.

That ties into Pole Shift Theory and...I'm just going to leave a link to a video. It can probably explain the idea better than I can.

Me after reading all of this :

Very cool ideas.



I am certain we will learn more about the devil's fruit going further into the story. What Vegapunk told us is certainly not 100% of it.

But interesting that Oda even left us pieces and hints in his earlier work, Romance Dawn.

Now, I don't know how accurate this translation is, but he calls it a "dream fruit" here. Which brings me to the question? Okay, what power enabled dreams to manifest into solid matter / fruits? It certainly has to be some kind of magic then?


Speaking of Romace Dawn


I really like your idea of "symbol magic" Perhaps Oda had plans for another power system, or he had already implemented it and just waited for the right time to get at it. Now with Imu getting more and more involved etc.


In Romance Dawn 2, the main antagonist called Shupeal was using real "Magic". He was flying on his broomstick. He could spawn hammers out of nothing and even control the water, or use telekinesis to levitate other people. So very interesting that Oda had already played with that idea.


But more fascinating was the fact that he was after a bird named Balloon. Apparently it was the last of its kind, a "Roc", the mythical bird we know from stories.


And this Shupeal character was after it, because it was said to have "magical blood"

What makes this funny is that, according to some sources, Marco Polo from our real world was responsible for spreading its legend in the western hemisphere. And now we have got our own (Marco) Polo in the Story recently.



But more interestingly, it was totally left open why this guy wanted to have that Bird, when he could already use Magic himself. I wonder if this will ever come back in some shape or form. I mean Luffy used his Red Roc attack in chapter 1000. That was a nice touch I guess.


I am just writing all of this because when you mentioned the Marys from Wano, which I had almost forgotten about, I thought about the Kozuki Clan Crest. This bird-like creature that nobody spoke of about the entire Arc still sparks my interest.

Could this be one source of the "Magic" ? A mythical bird-like creature with "magical blood" like it was described in Romance Dawn.

Does this bird still exist in the current timeline or is it just something that lived centuries ago? If it does still exist.

The Egg on Rogers Ships immediately comes to my mind or the heaven realm on Elbaf we still haven't seen. Or will it be none of these options, which then still sparks the question, who or what does this Bird on the Kozuki Crest symbolize?

Ah, just speculating around is so much fun.

 

[OykotsTreasure]

Okay, what power enabled dreams to manifest into solid matter / fruits? It certainly has to be some kind of magic then?

I have a feeling we've already gotten hints about this.

In the Chapter 1138 Mural, we heard about the "Forbidden Sun". And on the Mural itself, we see a bunch of fire all along the bottom border of the Mural. I have a feeling whatever element allowed for the creation of the Devil Fruits was something that existed inside of the planet itself. Some sort of material that had to be mined and extracted from the center of the planet. Possibly some sort of energy or crystal that allowed you to manifest dreams into reality. Mining this power source likely messed a bunch of other things up, and it's possible that mining the center of the planet to get at this substance led to the entire planet being "hallowed out" by the mining operation. Thus explaining the holes in the ocean we see popping up. They don't fill in, because the entire center of the planet has been hollowed out. There's too much empty space in the center of the planet for it to ever fill up with water, after it's been hollowed out.

And back in Chapter 1069, Vegapunk mentions that Devil Fruits are actually "The potential of human evolution that humanity wished for". So, they might literally be "crystallized" alternate potential timelines brought to the present. It might be a VERY advanced form of "time travel" of sorts. Different branching timelines brought into the present, to experiment with, and to see whose "vision of the future" is actually the best. If we take Vegapunk literally.

So, it still might not be "magic", but some sort of reality-warping energy or mineral that's caused the creation of the Devil Fruits. Possibly when the energy/mineral is "digested" by trees and other plants, that's how we get Devil Fruits. Much like how Trees are needed to "digest" SAD chemicals in order to produce SMILE Fruits. It's probably a very similar process. Devil Fruits and SMILE Fruits are probably created in pretty similar ways, with Devil Fruits just being more advanced and streamlined.

This material probably either just IS or is closely related to "pyrobloin". The substance that comes out of the center of the planet to produce Island Clouds and Seastone. Now, I have my suspicions that pryobloin could actually be something much "darker" in origin. But, that's a subject for another time. It's related to the Dragons. And if Dragons are involved like I suspect, I could see this "Dream Energy" turning out to be literal Dragon-Fire. Read a little more about that over here:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/can-smoker-make-a-sky-island.70626/#post-6243093
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...message-will-be-the-dragons-are-coming.55673/

Mind you, "reality-warping-energy" would still basically be "magic"...but a science fiction-flavored kind of magic, I guess?

In Romance Dawn 2, the main antagonist called Shupeal was using real "Magic". He was flying on his broomstick. He could spawn hammers out of nothing and even control the water, or use telekinesis to levitate other people. So very interesting that Oda had already played with that idea.

Plus, the villain's full name was "Shupeal the Hexagon". Hexagon. Another shape/symbol! The pattern still holds! Even if only loosely!
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Shupeal

Could this be one source of the "Magic" ? A mythical bird-like creature with "magical blood" like it was described in Romance Dawn.

Does this bird still exist in the current timeline or is it just something that lived centuries ago? If it does still exist.

The Egg on Rogers Ships immediately comes to my mind or the heaven realm on Elbaf we still haven't seen. Or will it be none of these options, which then still sparks the question, who or what does this Bird on the Kozuki Crest symbolize?

Good catch! I didn't think about the "Dawn" Symbol that keeps popping up all over the World. But, that's potentially another example of "Symbol Magic". Just used by Joyboy's allies.

reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/ldg738/ancient_kingdoms_symbol_is_a_sphere_with_8_points/

reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rvy7bm/you_already_know_what_the_one_piece_is_the_true/

A potential world-wide "protection symbol", meant to counter other powers. One that perhaps has yet to be fully activated, if the "Magic Circle" is still incomplete. Maybe you need to do something at Laugh Tale in order to activate this Symbol's pwoer? Potentially, this could be the elemental opposite "Symbol Magic" to the Abyss Marks. "Peak Marks"? "Dawn Marks"? If Imu's magic circles gives their allies special powers, perhaps Luffy can give special powers to those people who bear "his mark", too? That would be a pretty hype turning point moment during a final battle. All of Luffy's allies around the World getting access to "his powers" via these Sun Symbols.

As for the Kozuki Crest Bird, I suppose it could just represent a phoenix rising from the ashes. Like the Kozuki Clan themselves returning to power. Wano was a very Japanese-themed island, and the phoenix does exist in Japanese mythology. Birds also tend to represent "freedom" since they can fly. So, it fits symbolically in a few ways.

But, it is possible that the Kozuki Crest Bird actually represents Joyboy, himself. There's been some hints that Joyboy could have been a winged Skypiean of some sort. In a anime-exclusive scene at the beginning of Episode 1148, we see a winged person fall into the ocean. The title of the episode is "Joyboy The First Pirate". So, that kind of implies Joyboy could have had wings. And that's not the first time it's come up. In another anime-exclusive scene, WAY back in Episode 169, we see a Winged person who looks a lot like Luffy use a Reject Dial in a flashback. Possibly implying that Joyboy used a Reject Dial, damaged themselves, and ended up falling into the ocean to drown. Possibly. We'll have to see what the manga actual does with that. But, it's possible the people behind the anime have known a big secret about this story for a LONG time.

But, I actually more or less agree with you. I think it probably has something to do with Roger's Giant Mystery Egg. And potentially, I could see it having ties to the Ancient Weapon Uranos. Much like how the Sea Kings are tied to Poseidon, and Zunesha seems tied to Pluton. Uranos itself was captured by the World Government, but the "Animal Companion" that probably has to work alongside the weapon could still be free. We probably will see some sort of literal giant bird by the end of the story, likely a Roc like Balloon. I wouldn't be surprised if we learn a little more about this potential bird when we eventually get around to meeting The Man Marked By Flames. I suspect that the Bird that hatched from Roger's Egg is probably the one making the whirlpools protecting the last Road Poneglyph alongside TMMBF.

So, there's actually a few possibilities on that subject. We'll see where Oda goes with all that.

 

[Kair0s1]

God of the Sea = Poseidon -> Shirahoshi -> Sea Kings
God of the Earth = Pluton -> Loki -> Galley La
God of the Forest = Adam Tree -> Devil Fruits

 

[Rootbeer]

I feel like Imu is probably at least one of the God Fruit Users. If only because we are in the Final Saga, and Oda needs to start introducing who those guys are. Otherwise we're just going to have a massive glut of new characters show up at the very, very end. Which...this is One Piece, that's likely going to happen, anyway. But, I'd like to minimize that as much as possible.

Plus, I feel like Imu's powers are similar enough to Luffy's Sun God powers that they most likely have at least one of the God Fruits. "Board Games" feels like it fits alongside "Imagination" as a possible "Godly" power in this world. If all the God Powers are themed around literally "Playing God".

I do agree with the general idea that none of the characters we know will likely end up being the True Final Threat of the series, though. I have a feeling we haven't met the final opponent of the series yet. It's probably going to be someone or something that connects all the lore together. One final piece of the puzzle, as it were.

There is another possibility, though. I didn't mention it because it's pretty unlikely. But, it could be that there's 4 "High Demon" Fruits to counter the 4 God Fruits. 4 "Negative" Gods and 4 "Positive" Gods. The "Black Star Dragon Balls" to counter the "Normal Dragon Balls", as it were. That way, we have a race between Imu and Blackbeard to see who can complete their set first, eat all 4 Fruits in their set, and gain ultimate power over this world. Giving Blackbeard a more or less equal chance to overthrow Imu. But, again, there's nothing to support that.

Since you only need to take one bite of a Devil Fruit to get its powers..

What if Imu took one bite of the mother of all Devil Fruits, the Devil Tree and obtained its immeasurable powers?..

I don't know if that would still be a One Piece God or not..

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Okay, I'll fully admit, this thread is a LOTTA cope. I was a big public proponent of Imu turning out to be the Forest God, not the Sea God like so many other people thought. With the reveal about how Imu's contracts work, it seems like it's almost a guaranteed slam dunk that Imu is the Sea God.

...Or so you would think.

Because while it IS looking pretty likely that Imu is the Sea God, there's actually still a little bit of wiggle room here to talk about.

So, while the simplest solution to all this is that Imu simply is the Sea God, and I'll admit that's looking to be the most likely case, I'm still not completely ready to admit defeat, yet. Not without a little bit of a fight, anyway.



Okay, so let's discuss the Contracts. In the original Japanese, these contracts are called:

Senkai Keiyaku (浅海契約) for the Shallows Contract.

Shinkai Keiyaku (深海契約)) for the Depths Contract.

Shin-Shinkai Keiyaku (深々海契約) for the Abyssal (Deep-Deep Sea) Contract.

Now these words, as they are "spelled" in the original Japanese...are pretty explicitly related to the sea. They all even have the word for "ocean" or "Umi" (海) included in there. "Umi" is usually read as "kai" when it's a part of a compound word, so that's where the "kai" in each of these words is coming from.

https://jisho.org/forum/60747479d5dda72a5c000000-hai-kai-or-umi

So, this is a pretty open and shut case, right? All of Imu's contracts have the word for "ocean" right there. Imu is "umi" backwards. We can all go home now, right? I just have to admit that I was wrong, and Imu was always foreshadowed to be the Sea God. Simple.

Well...maybe and maybe not.

Because, interestingly, it seems as though Oda has actually picked words that can actually mean completely different things...if you "spell" them differently.

What I'm saying is, Oda might be purposely "spelling" these words wrong, in order to hide the true meaning from the audience. They're all possibly homophones with other, similar words.

"Senkai" for expample doesn't ONLY mean "shallow". If you spell it differently, it could also mean "a dwelling place of hermits" (仙界) or "gyrating/rotating" (旋回)
https://www.nihongomaster.com/japanese/dictionary/word/37097/senkai-仙界-せんかい
https://www.tanoshiijapanese.com/dictionary/entry_details.cfm?entry_id=37187&
https://www.tanoshiijapanese.com/dictionary/entry_details.cfm?entry_id=37629&j=旋回

"Shinkai" is actually pretty interesting. Because "Shinkai" is also a way to "rank" the gods in a area. The higher the rank of a god, the more lands they got for their shrine, and the wealthier the shrine and it's god and it's followers became.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkai_(divine_rank)\
"Shin" also has a number of possible meanings. It can mean "new", "true", "heart", or "god". But, there is another way to write "shin" that also means "forest" (森).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_(given_name)
https://en.pon-navi.net/nazuke/name/reading/a/shinkai
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/森

Similarly, "Kai" can have many different meanings, depending on how it's written. It can mean "ocean"(海) , or it can mean "Shell" (貝), "meeting or club" (会), or others.
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...577cfff2988c0089fc7c5ae1b6d7e626a7fb7a9b.html
https://kai.ai/blog/whats-in-a-name-the-many-remarkable-meanings-of-kai/
https://romajidesu.com/dictionary/meaning-of-kai.html

So, while "Shinkai" as it's spelled in the manga definitely means "Shallow Sea". If you choose to spell it differently, it could also mean something like "Forest Gathering".

And "Shin-Shinkai"...is just making it a "deeper" version of the whatever you choose you make "shin" mean. There's also a "Shinshinkai" from the manga Baki the Grappler which means "Divine Heart Association", which I doubt is a reference but I'll mention it anyway. As it's spelled in the manga, it means the "Deep-Deep Sea". But, again, if you chose to spell it differently, "Shin-shin" (森森) could also mean "Heavily Forested".
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/森森#Japanese
https://www.nihongomaster.com/japanese/dictionary/word/81365/shinshin-森森-森々-しんしん
https://jiaronglau.com/threads/677626.291513/#post-5154450

Now, why would the Forest God be pretending to be the Sea God? I'll admit...it'd be weird. But, it could just be as simple as Imu thinking that the Sea God is more "scary" than themselves. So, they're pretending to be the Sea Devil to get more respect. Or it could have just been a misunderstanding that never got corrected, which does feel like something One Piece would do.



But, that raises question...does any of this actually matter? Sure, there are a lot of homophones for these specific words that Oda chose. But, he spelled it in the manga as he spelled it. So...again, case closed, right? When has Oda ever PURPOSELY misspelled something, just to act as a red herring? Especially if he's letting the official English version also get it "wrong"?

Well, to that I say...remember "Raftel"? How many years did Oda let the official English translation use that nonsense word? Oda is NOT shy about letting the "wrong" translation spread, if it's for the sake of a story reveal later down the line. Like revealing the "real" spelling is actually "Laugh Tale".

Though, I'll admit, that was a slightly different situation. With "Raftel" he was using "phonetic" hiragana to hide the meaning. If I'm right, here he's purposefully misusing the wrong kanji in order to obscure what's really going on. That's...a little farther than Oda usually goes in order to support a Red Herring. I can't think off the top of my head any time Oda has purposely "misspelled" a word in Kanji.

But, there's a first time for everything. And this IS Imu we're talking about. One way or another Imu is probably VERY important to a lot of the big mysteries of One Piece. So, Oda might be bringing out the big guns to hide his mysteries and reveals for this one. Even if he has to go so far as to make it seem like his Forest God is actually the Sea God, as part of a massive Red Herring to throw the scent off speculators in order to pull off a big reveal later down the line.

Plus...I feel like this COULD have some further relevance to the story. Because I have a feeling something like this could also be true for Bink's Sake. People have been trying to "decode" Bink's Sake for years. And I have a feeling the key to decoding it's true meaning lies in using similar "homophones" in place of the words that Oda actually uses. Hiding the true meaning of Bink's Sake by purposefully using "misspellings". Either that or changing things due to how the "letters" are "spaced", creating completely different words by changing where you break up each word. But, I feel like THIS "misspelling" could be used to prepare us for the MUCH more intricate "misspellings" hidden in Bink's Sake.



But, there is also another alternative here that I want to discuss. Because, so far, most people who have theorized about which God Imu could actually be have been making a big assumption. That Imu is only ONE of the 4 Gods. That the 4 Gods are completely separate characters.

Well...what if that's the wrong way to think about it?

What if this isn't a either/or option? What if Imu IS the Forest God...AND the Sea God...AND the Earth God? All at the same time?

What if Imu is actually...3 out of the 4 Gods, already? Could it be possible that Imu has actually already eaten the other 3 God Fruits, and just need's Luffy's Sun God Fruit to become the "True God" of this World? What if the God Fruits are basically like the Dragon Balls? You need to "collect" them all in order to gain their true power?

We DO know that "Mu's world is incomplete" (Chapter 1163). So...maybe Imu was talking literally. They're literally only missing 1/4th of the keys they need to become the "True God" of this world. And rule unopposed.

Take another look at the Contract Marks we've been seeing in the story. The "base" for all the Marks seems to be a circle split into 4 quadrants by two "bones". Just like how the entire World is split into 4 Seas by the Red Line and Grand Line. There seems like there's a pattern, here. A single object...split into 4 artificially. If the entire World's ocean has been split into pieces artificially, somehow...then why wouldn't the "True God" of this world ALSO be split into 4 pieces?

This would mean that Imu isn't JUST responsible for the flooding (Sea God Powers), but also the creation of Devil Fruits (Forest God Powers), and also the creation of the Red Line (Earth God Powers). Although, I'll admit there's a problem with even that line of thought. Since, the God Fruits don't actually seem to have much connection to the elements they're named after. The Sea God, Forest God, and Earth God are more likely to have the powers of collecting things, playing board-games, and making things with legos rather than the power over the sea, plants, and ground. Still...I suppose you could get both at higher level "awakenings"?

There could be a couple ways Imu could do this. Imu might have a similar ability to Blackbeard, so Imu can just eat 4 Devil Fruits because their body might be extra-special. Or maybe the 4 God Fruits don't really count as "regular" Devil Fruits, because you're basically only eating 1/4th of the "true" Fruit whenever you eat one. Either way, there are ways to make this work.

Now...a good part of me doesn't believe that Oda would actually do this. Because you'd be cutting down the potential number of characters. Oda LOVES designing new characters. It's like...his favorite part of doing this manga. So, if Oda has a chance to create 3 new characters with godlike abilities...or have 1 character with 3 different godlike abilities...Oda is probably going to choose to make 3 different God Fruit Users instead. That's usually how Oda's brain works. But...this could be a exception to the rule. And we could still get past God Fruit Users in flashbacks. So, Oda COULD still create a handful of new characters AND make Imu ultra-overpowered by having 3 out of the 4 God Fruits of this World. Oda COULD do both!

This would mean that neither Loki nor Blackbeard have either of the other God Fruits, though. And...if so...I'm not sure where that would leave Blackbeard. I guess Blackbeard could be the one to kill Imu and get their 3 God Fruits. But, that feels less interesting than Blackbeard already having one with the Darkness Fruit secretly being one like Luffy's Fruit turned out to be. Maybe there's more gods than we know about, or maybe the Darkness Fruit could be a "Demon" instead of a "God". But, it would be...odd. I'm not sure.

I don't know if I actually believe that Oda would do this. But, I do think it's a possible solution to the problem. And it would make things more exciting if Imu was already 3/4ths of the way to completing their goal. Luffy would basically be the only thing standing between Imu and total control of the planet.



So, this might all be an exercise in futility. Imu could just be the Sea God and it's just that simple. OR Oda could be hiding that Imu's actually the Forest God in plain sight. OR...we've all been fools debating all this for all this time, and Imu is actually holding 3 out of the 4 greatest powers this World has to offer. But, I just want to say...it's not a sure thing any way, yet! There's still possibilities for twists, still unforeseen, here! Only time will tell!

Wrong. Imu is the Sea Devil.

 

[eamonpro]

I still think any mentions of a sea god are probably referring to poseidon.

Post automatically merged: Monday at 2:10 AM

God of the Sea = Poseidon -> Shirahoshi -> Sea Kings
God of the Earth = Pluton -> Loki -> Galley La
God of the Forest = Adam Tree -> Devil Fruits

Yep. this seems right. Pluton=hades who owns all the underground. The pluton in one piece is underground, maybe in lava.

 

[OykotsTreasure]

God of the Sea = Poseidon -> Shirahoshi -> Sea Kings
God of the Earth = Pluton -> Loki -> Galley La
God of the Forest = Adam Tree -> Devil Fruits

Just for the sake of completing the thought...

God of the Sun = Uranos -> Luffy/Nika -> Mother Flame/Forbidden Sun?




Although, personally, I don't think the 3 Ancient Weapons being the same as the 4 Gods really works, at least for me. For a few different reasons.

If Luffy has the Sun God Fruit, I'm not sure if that would make sense. Is Luffy our "Fourth Ancient Weapon"? What would that make Uranos, which seems to have ties to the sky? It seems like there'd be overlap with Uranos and Nika, if that were the case. Would that make Luffy the "captain" of Uranos, in the same way Shirahoshi is in charge of the Noah? I suppose that COULD work. Especially if Uranos turns out to be a UFO of some kind. And most "flying saucers" DO happen to look a lot like flying "straw hats". So, Luffy being connected in some way to the Ancient Weapon Uranos COULD work, I'll grant you. But, we'd still be missing a "Fourth Ancient Weapon" for the Fourth God.

Another problem with the Ancient Weapons being the Gods is that if that were the case then...Shirahoshi would basically be the one "cursing" Devil Fruit users. Not literally, since she isn't that old, but if Shirahoshi literally is the Sea God, she SHOULD have the power to "uncurse" the Devil Fruit Users. If we stick with the idea that the Sea Devil is the one who is causing that. And it's possible that the "Devils" aren't the same as the "Gods". But, given how often Oda has shown us that one person's "savior" can be another person's "enemy" in this story, I'll willing to bet these are two sides to the same entity. Like Crocodile and Doflamingo being hailed as the heroes of their lands, but then being revealed to be the evil masterminds behind all their country's problems. Or the Strawhats getting painted as villains by the World Government. Oda's big on duality and alternate perspectives, so I feel like Oda will play into that with the "Gods" and "Devils", too. Even if we don't want to go with that, Vegapunk saying that it's the "Mother of Nature" who is causing Devil Fruit users to sink implies to me that this isn't necessarily caused by a "demonic" force. Personally, I think it's more likely that the "Gods" and "Devils" are two sides to the same group of entities. But, it's possible they could be separate entities. But, it'd be weird if the "Gods" all got Ancient Weapons but the "Devils" didn't.

And, if Luffy and Shirahoshi are both "Gods"...why doesn't Shirahoshi also have a Devil Fruit? If Luffy has the Sun God Fruit, Shirashi should also have a Sea God Fruit. If they're the same type of entity. The Weapons seem to work on different rules to the Gods, as little data as we have to go on, right now. Being passed along via reincarnation or bloodlines, instead of by Inherited Will or Devil Fruits.

As for the Devil Fruit Tree being the Forest God Weapon...maybe? It'd be more of a "weapons factory" than a weapon, itself, but that IS splitting hairs. I'm not sure if that'd be the same thing as the Adam Tree, since we still don't know for sure that Yggdrasil has anything to do with Devil Fruits. Despite there being a suspicious number of wild animals on Elbaph that seem to have Devil Fruit powers, somehow. And much like the Ancient Weapons, I DO feel like the Devil Fruits weren't originally supposed to be used as weapons, originally. Having some other function as the reason they were originally made. So, they fit in that way together, I suppose. Plus, the "Forest God" giving birth to the Devil Fruits, but in a way that's like a manufacturing plant rolling out products on a assembly line WOULD make for a decent twist. Not impossible, but I just don't know if I totally "feel" it, myself. For one...it'd be weird for the "Forest God Weapon" to have created the "Sun God Fruit". I may have to mull this one over for a bit. There's potential here, but it doesn't quite track.

Instead, I could see the Ancient Weapons being built to "counter" the 4 Gods. One Weapon designed to take out a God each. Ancient Humans building Weapons in order to overthrow the Gods themselves. That would still connect the Gods to the Weapons, but in a different way that I find more likely. Although...again, we'd still be missing one Ancient Weapon.



Another issue with the Ancient Weapons being the "Gods" the Harley refers to is that there are 4 Gods but only 3 Ancient Weapons we know about. So, let's address that. What would a theoretical "Fourth Ancient Weapon" be named, at the very least? I'd say we have close matches for the Sun God (Uranos), Sea God (Poseidon), and Earth God (Pluton). So, the Forest God would be the one I'd say we were missing a Weapon for. So, I'm going to be focusing mostly on a potential "Forest God Weapon".

Now, we could learn about a "secret" fourth ancient weapon any time now. That is something Oda would do. But, it'd actually be hard to get it to fit the naming scheme he's used so far. Now, there's nothing saying that a fourth weapon would HAVE to follow the same pattern as the other 3. But, ideally, it would.

As far as each weapon being more or less named after the Outer Planets...we've kind of already used those all up. Between the Gorosei and the Ancient Weapons, everything's pretty much accounted for. You could maybe do something with the Moon(s). That would break the pattern a bit, but still kind of go with the theme, I guess.

There are some potential "Tenth Planet" names, we could use though. Such as Nibiru, Planet X, Chiron, Albion, or Eris. I think Nibiru is the coolest name, and it has some interesting origins, mythologically speaking. But, Chiron is named after a centaur and Albion is named after ancient Britain, so those might fit the "Forest" theme better. Although, "Eris" probably fits best, because Eris the goddess is responsible for the Golden Apple of Discord that started the Trojan War. Golden Apples...Devil Fruits, it fits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_planet_(disambiguation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_(Babylonian_astronomy)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_of_Discord
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(dwarf_planet)

And as far as the Ancient Weapons being named for different Greek or Roman Gods or Titans...we actually have a embarrassment of riches there. In this case, if there is a Fourth Weapon, it'd actually be nice if it had a "Greek" name instead of a "Roman" one. As we currently have two "Roman" named Weapons in Pluton and Uranos, and only one "Greek" named Weapon in Poseidon. So, the Fourth Weapon having a Greek name would actually even things out. As for the name of that Forest Weapon, it could be, in Roman and Greek:

Silvanus/Silenus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvanus_(mythology)
Ceres/Demeter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_(mythology)
Faunus/Pan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faunus
Diana/Artemis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_(mythology)
And, of course, Discordia/Eris.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(mythology)

Of note, I think you could do something with "Ceres" if you use the whole "L/R" interchangability thing that the Japanese language has. Instead of "Ceres" you could have "Celes", like the Celestial Dragons. Which...doesn't actually work in Japanese because they're called the Tenryuubito in Japanese. But, it's the thought that counts. It's half-thought out, so it half-counts.

As for what this potential Weapon could do? Yes, the Devil Fruit Tree does work pretty well. But, just for the sake of being different, let me try and come up with a fun alternative. Well...we already know about a few Tree-themed diseases in the One Piece World, like Tree Fever. Maybe the Forest God Weapon just causes a plague? Using the forests and trees to spread a biological weapon to different communities? It'd be a little dark, but I could see Oda doing it.

So, if there IS a "Fourth Forest God Weapon", it being the Devil Fruit Tree called "Eris" would actually work pretty well, in my opinion. I mean...if Blackbeard's mother didn't already HAVE that same name! Which...is VERY interesting, given Blackbeard's interest in Devil Fruits. So...maybe Blackbeard's mom turned into a tree? That'd be...weird, but not impossible in One Piece's World. Or, more simply, Eris could just be the “priestess” for this Ancient Weapon, and thus know a lot about Devil Fruits because she’s in charge of the “machine” that makes them. So, we'd have to go with a different name for the actual tree, and "Discordia" is kind of on the nose. Um...I'm going with "Nibiru" for the name of the tree, forget about it working the best.

Maybe it doesn't work perfectly, but you could probably make it work better with a bit more effort. Again, I'd find it odd that the Forest God Weapon made the other Gods' Devil Fruits. But...that's kind of a issue anyway, with the Forest God potentially creating ALL Devil Fruits. So, it's kind of a problem even if the Gods aren't the same as the Weapons. It really doesn't make much difference, for this particular detail.



So, it's not impossible for it to be the case. You could probably make it work, with a little more effort. And, I do find it a interesting possibility to think about. I just don't feel like it's the most likely possibility, myself. These are puzzle pieces that don't QUITE fit together, in my head. But, I could be wrong. I'm at least willing to play along, up to a point, just for the sake of a thought experiment. If someone can address my criticisms, I'm willing to think it over more.