General & Others Strength vs character/personality

[Albino 👑]

Zoro being stronger
Sanji getting more character focus

Rayleigh being stronger
Gaban getting more character focus

King being stronger
Queen getting more characterfocus

Daz bones being stronger
Bentham getting more character focus

Kuroobi being stronger
Hatchan getting more character focus
Them being one of the rare cases where Zoro and Sanji basically switch opponents

Funnily enough not the only time tho

The second example being Kaku and Jabra. Kaku was originally ment to be Sanji’s fight with Jabra being Zoro’s. Jabra was going to be another stoic character Daz or king that had similarities to Lucci with the whole carnivore zoan while Kaku was the silly fun one. Jabra specializing in iron body and Kaku tempest kick making it even more obvious. Tho he ended up making them both silly when he decided to give jabra to sanji

In real early concept of enies lobby kaku was originally planned to be a fight for sanji. Meaning jabra was more likely than not supposed to be zoro's fight

Sanji vs kaku making sense because like alot of sanji's opponents kaku is one of the more silly members of the group. Both in personality and design.
Along with original just not being a swordsman and mainly specializing in his kicks which he still kinda does tbh

Zoro vs jabra making sense because he was supposed to be one the more serious sides of things like alot of zoro's opponent's. His design being more typically seen as badass in comparison to kaku.
On top of that he also shares parallels to lucci aka luffy's fight like alot of zoro opponents also do. Jabra being a carnivorous zoan and leading his own group of cp9. If he fought zoro he would have definitely been made a swordsman

One Piece Green: Secret Pieces revealed an early concept of the CP9 and their fight match-ups with the Straw Hat Pirates. Originally, the match-ups were supposed to be:

• Lucci vs. Luffy​
• Kalifa vs. Robin​
• Fukurou vs. Nami​
• Kaku vs. Sanji​
• Shakiin (Jabra) vs. Zoro​
• Apollo (Kumadori) vs. Chopper​
• Blueno vs. Usopp​

Low key kinda sad oda didn't go with original plan
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1. Robin getting a fight would have been hella dope​
2. Nami fighting a man would have been cool​
3. Sanji vs kaku always seemed pretty hype pre enies lobby​
4. Usopp getting a fight would be fun too​

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With oda lowkey “fixing” it in egghead with them basically being the daz bones/bentham, king/queen, zoro/sanji of the arc. Despite Sanji not actually getting to fight Kaku

Marco and Jozu is also a rare case tho obviously not Zoro and Sanji fights. Marco basically getting both the strength and the character which sucks for Jozu. Tho personally I still like Jozu because he was a funny looking kid​

 

[Guymieux]

Get a different hobby holy shit all you talk about is zoro and Michael for like 7 years straight . STFU

 

[moreha9685]

Get a different hobby holy shit all you talk about is zoro and Michael for like 7 years straight . STFU

Who the fuck is Michael? Did you get autocorrected from Mihawk?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Who the fuck is Michael? Did you get autocorrected from Mihawk?

Albino is actually a very huge Michael Jackson fanatic, but that's apparently a lesser known fact about them.

 

[moreha9685]

Albino is actually a very huge Michael Jackson fanatic, but that's apparently a lesser known fact about them.

Explains the albino username.

 

[Rumble]

Zoro isn’t stronger than Sanji, nor would that ever be a reason to limit his importance or impact on the plot.

There is no other reason than the calculus of Oda’s creativity and willingness.

Oda doesn’t want Zoro to be as layered and interesting as other Strawhats, and if he does, he not willing to make the time and space for it.

Take a break from making threads.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Zoro isn’t stronger than Sanji

Why not? Rayleigh is above Gaban and King is above Queen

 

[Rumble]

Why not? Rayleigh is above Gaban and King is above Queen

If I’m interested in reading your headcanon, I’ll let you know.

It’s not even clear King remained RHM in any official capacity after Queen joined.

Rayleigh outranks Gaban, he’s not stronger.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

If I’m interested in reading your headcanon, I’ll let you know.

It’s not even clear King remained RHM in any official capacity after Queen joined.

Rayleigh outranks Gaban, he’s not stronger.

Why did Oda specifically give King a 1.3B bounty and Queen a 1.2B bounty?
Also Hajrudin tells us Rayleigh is stronger.. Come on

 

[Rumble]

Why did Oda specifically give King a 1.3B bounty and Queen a 1.2B bounty?
Also Hajrudin tells us Rayleigh is stronger.. Come on

The bounty difference doesn’t even cover the 100M starting point King is worth by virtue of being a Lunarian. He’s also been with Kaidō longer than Queen. Use some common sense.

Hajrudin did not say that, but the fact you think he did and see fit to argue with me, proves you just don’t read.

Even if Hajrudin said the words, Gaban insists otherwise. Only one of them is an authority on the subject of Rayleigh’s strength.

 

[Revan]

Zoro being stronger
Sanji getting more character focus

If only Sanji wasn't such a down bad simp in post-timeskip.... Sure.
I'll enjoy the bland, pokerface/evil smirk aurafarming Zoro any day over Sanji's bitch ass.

Rayleigh being stronger
Gaban getting more character focus

What? Both are cool.

King being stronger
Queen getting more characterfocus

Ok true, Queen was entertaining and funny af.

Daz bones being stronger
Bentham getting more character focus

Yep, Bon Clay was WAY cooler, especially after Impel Down arc.

Kuroobi being stronger

Source?

My personal addition? Doflamingo compared to the entire Beast Pirates crew including Kaido... Not even close, Doffy is a way better character.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

The bounty difference doesn’t even cover the 100M starting point King is worth by virtue of being a Lunarian. He’s also been with Kaidō longer than Queen. Use some common sense.

Hajrudin did not say that, but the fact you think he did and see fit to argue with me, proves you just don’t read.

Even if Hajrudin said the words, Gaban insists otherwise. Only one of them is an authority on the subject of Rayleigh’s strength.

The point is very obvious and Oda has done it multiple times.
Daz Bones being Mr.1 and Bentham being Mr.2.
Kaku having 2200 Doriki and Jabra having 2180 Doriki.
So on and so forth.
The hierarchy is obviously meant to be Zoro's opponents >= Sanji's opponents. Just like how Zoro extreme diffs Sanji in a fight.
I don't know why you're denying this, as it's not like Sanji being very slightly weaker makes him a worse character. I honestly think he's a somewhat better character than Zoro despite being weaker.

 

[Rumble]

The point is very obvious and Oda has done it multiple times.

We are well past the point anything you claim as obvious holds any meaning.

Daz Bones being Mr.1 and Bentham being Mr.2.

Mr 1 had the advantage in a matchup, when that still mattered pre-Haki.

That doesn’t mean anything now.

Kaku having 2200 Doriki and Jabra having 2180 Doriki.

Jabra was stronger and more skilled than Kaku, you moron.

Their base difference striking strength was less than 1% - that’s all that was measured. Not speed, technique or intelligence.

So on and so forth.

No, not so and so forth. Sanji’s defeated Arlong’s #2 in first arc a Strawhat. Jabra was the #1 on his team. Not only did Absalom outrank Zombie Ryuuma, Sanji had flat out better feats, with even his shadow matching that of Zoro despite the gap in quality of hosts.

The hierarchy is obviously meant to be Zoro's opponents >= Sanji's opponents. Just like how Zoro extreme diffs Sanji in a fight.

Even when their opponents as rivals or equal strength or stronger in Sanji’s favour, the more dominant wins are always by Sanii, and pretty much always after a nerf. That’s the part you Zoro stans never bring up.

Zoro could extreme diff, but that goes both ways, and you’re the only retard smoking fictional cock to deny it.

I don't know why you're denying this, as it's not like Sanji being very slightly weaker makes him a worse character. I honestly think he's a somewhat better character than Zoro despite being weaker.

I deny it because it’s untrue, it’s that simple.

Only one of us has one of them in their usernames.

You cry about the way you’re despised but the simple truth is you’re a cunt and have it coming for wasting people’s time.

 

[Zoinks52]

Who the fuck is Michael? Did you get autocorrected from Mihawk?

I thought he was referring to Sanji for a second and was so confused

 

[MonsterKaido]

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

We are well past the point anything you claim as obvious holds any meaning.



Mr 1 had the advantage in a matchup, when that still mattered pre-Haki.

That doesn’t mean anything now.



Jabra was stronger and more skilled than Kaku, you moron.

Their base difference striking strength was less than 1% - that’s all that was measured. Not speed, technique or intelligence.



No, not so and so forth. Sanji’s defeated Arlong’s #2 in first arc a Strawhat. Jabra was the #1 on his team. Not only did Absalom outrank Zombie Ryuuma, Sanji had flat out better feats, with even his shadow matching that of Zoro despite the gap in quality of hosts.



Even when their opponents as rivals or equal strength or stronger in Sanji’s favour, the more dominant wins are always by Sanii, and pretty much always after a nerf. That’s the part you Zoro stans never bring up.

Zoro could extreme diff, but that goes both ways, and you’re the only retard smoking fictional cock to deny it.



I deny it because it’s untrue, it’s that simple.

Only one of us has one of them in their usernames.

You cry about the way you’re despised but the simple truth is you’re a cunt and have it coming for wasting people’s time.

Lol what? If Kaku has higher Doriki that means he's obviously stronger than Jabra. Their fruits didn't change that. And where is the Kuroobi > Hatchan thing even from?
I don't know why you deny manga facts then start trying to flamebait me. You look like a 5 year old when you do this

 

[kumae]

Zoro being stronger
Sanji getting more character focus

Rayleigh being stronger
Gaban getting more character focus

King being stronger
Queen getting more characterfocus

Daz bones being stronger
Bentham getting more character focus

Kuroobi being stronger
Hatchan getting more character focus
Them being one of the rare cases where Zoro and Sanji basically switch opponents

Funnily enough not the only time tho

The second example being Kaku and Jabra. Kaku was originally ment to be Sanji’s fight with Jabra being Zoro’s. Jabra was going to be another stoic character Daz or king that had similarities to Lucci with the whole carnivore zoan while Kaku was the silly fun one. Jabra specializing in iron body and Kaku tempest kick making it even more obvious. Tho he ended up making them both silly when he decided to give jabra to sanji

With oda lowkey “fixing” it in egghead with them basically being the daz bones/bentham, king/queen, zoro/sanji of the arc. Despite Sanji not actually getting to fight Kaku

Marco and Jozu is also a rare case tho obviously not Zoro and Sanji fights. Marco basically getting both the strength and the character which sucks for Jozu. Tho personally I still like Jozu because he was a funny looking kid​

Do you have any other hobbys in your life or talking about zoro in a forum is all what you do isn't quite sad?

 

[Guymieux]

Do you have any other hobbys in your life or talking about zoro in a forum is all what you do isn't quite sad?

He has to be autistic

 

[Vanlax]

You'd be surprised at how much depth and character stoicism holds.

Stoicism doesn't mean a lack of depth just because a character isn't given drama constantly.

Sanji took many years to build the resolve he has now.
Zoro developed his resolve the moment he learned of Kuina’s death.

Sanji uses words such as "power of love" to show his resolve.
Zoro simply acts.


Expressive characters show the process of feeling.
Stoic characters show only the result of that process.

 

[ZenZu]

I don't think it's a coincidence Kaku and Jabra are the exception, Kaku is the goofy Sanji opponent while Jabra fits more with the more serious designs Zoro fights. He also has a carnivorous zoan like Lucci, and was introduced as Lucci's rival.

It's no wonder Oda said the matchups were originally supposed to be Zoro vs Jabra, Sanji vs Kaku, and why I always felt Jabra was arguably stronger at that time given he had time with his df unlike Kaku, and it was implied Kaku only very recently surpassed him by a hair in douriki.

EL really was the most beneficial arc to the Sanji agenda to this day.