Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1169: I HAVE TO DIE NOW!

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self-proclaimed "media literacy" experts on suicide watch, the toxic masculine pureblood incel prince gets the throne. good thing loki gave lola the ick, otherwise the bloodline would have been dilluted. now the elders can find a nice female ancient giant for him, hopefully she doesn't remind him too much of estrid. doesn't matter how much she ruined his childhood, her genes mattered alot more than her parenting skills. loki is alot more capable than hajrudin, who was brought up by a great loving mother.
 
You have a few things wrong here:
1. Your acting like a sentient hammer that moves of its own will doesn’t work with usopps sniping combat style. Due to the hammer being able to move on its own, it can be used as ammunition because it’ll return to Usopp post shot. Usopps sniping isn’t about him shooting a bullet out of a gun, it’s him shooting various abnormal and unique “Stars” at his opponent. And seeing how he’s used a “Hammer Shooting Star” in the past, idk why suddenly a hammer is now not aligned with his combat style.
Broski...you're legit think Elbaf's legendary warhammer is gonna be used as ammunition for Usopp's slingshot :lawsigh:

2. This “god tier weapon” debate sounds like the same stuff people said about Zeus and Nami. Oda using top tier weaponry as a way of making the weak SHs viable in modern day combat is not out of the ordinary. Also I don’t think Ragnir is God Tier. Loki isn’t God Tier with it, despite having multiple other insane powers?
Well I'm not one of those people, there were indications that Nami could get Zeus since the very start of the arc so there was always a strong possibility she was going to get it. Regardless, Nami is not Usopp, Oda's himself has come out saying that Usopp is the weakest SH and that he plans to keep it that way, he's not getting ragnir irregardless of whether it is not a god tier weapon or not. It is at the very least a very powerful weapon even more so than Zeus.

3. Ragnir in no way throws away Usopps core character, it enhances it. Usopps not going to become a head to head fighter with Ragnir, he’ll still be a liar, who can bluff his way to victory. A hammer that can be sniped, and hit an opponent on the return means that Usopp can set traps for his opponents using it. Such as shooting the hammer, having it “miss” to lower his opponents guard, then having the hammer knock them out by hitting his unsuspecting opponent from behind. Sounds like the perfect way to counter a teleporter like Van Augur as well. And none of these ideas are new, the Mjolnir theory’s been one of the oldest Usopp theories out there
Yh sure, Usopp is gonna bluff his way to victory with an OP hammer than can prolly one shot even high tiers.
I'm not sure why you can say all of this and not realize how ridicolous it sounds. You are actively diminishing Ragnir in order to shoehorn it into your Usopp theory. Why even give him a bloody legendary hammer if he's gonna use it like a regular hammer lol
Sure Ragnir can return but what is the point? Would be more practical to just shoot something else in that time instead.

4. Usopp Hammer being iconic is in no way cap. You mentioned two of Usopps most iconic scenes, now let’s not act like the pose with the 5/10 Ton Hammer isn’t up there as well. It certainly is because it’s one of the most famous poses for Usopp.
I legit don't even know what you're referring to here :risisweat:but yh sure a pose with a 5/10 ton hammer is just as iconic as all of those moments I mentioned :risisure:

5. Loki is a minor character? He’s the arc royal that Luffy saves and befriends during the arc. And Nami got Zeus in an arc about a weather controlling witch, who Nami has been unknowingly connected to since Thriller Bark due to Lola.

I think you’re just misconstruing usopps fighting style where you don’t think Ragnir fits. But if you look back at it. A legendary hammer from the island connected to usopps dream that can be used as a shooting star and return to his hands or be swung with immense weight despite usopps physical weakness because it chose usopp for his heart and spirit is 100% aligned with his character and the perfect power up for someone who needs a sudden and immense boost like Usopp does going forward
Not gonna argue whether Loki is a minor character or not lol
I don't think he is but can't be arsed to debate it. Like I said, we'll know at the end of the arc:GoodLuck:
I completely disagree with how you're suggesting Ragnir to be utilized as well as the notion that giving Usopp an OP legendary hammer would fit his character but I digress.
 
Broski...you're legit think Elbaf's legendary warhammer is gonna be used as ammunition for Usopp's slingshot :lawsigh:


Well I'm not one of those people, there were indications that Nami could get Zeus since the very start of the arc so there was always a strong possibility she was going to get it. Regardless, Nami is not Usopp, Oda's himself has come out saying that Usopp is the weakest SH and that he plans to keep it that way, he's not getting ragnir irregardless of whether it is not a god tier weapon or not. It is at the very least a very powerful weapon even more so than Zeus.


Yh sure, Usopp is gonna bluff his way to victory with an OP hammer than can prolly one shot even high tiers.
I'm not sure why you can say all of this and not realize how ridicolous it sounds. You are actively diminishing Ragnir in order to shoehorn it into your Usopp theory. Why even give him a bloody legendary hammer if he's gonna use it like a regular hammer lol
Sure Ragnir can return but what is the point? Would be more practical to just shoot something else in that time instead.


I legit don't even know what you're referring to here :risisweat:but yh sure a pose with a 5/10 ton hammer is just as iconic as all of those moments I mentioned :risisure:



Not gonna argue whether Loki is a minor character or not lol
I don't think he is but can't be arsed to debate it. Like I said, we'll know at the end of the arc:GoodLuck:
I completely disagree with how you're suggesting Ragnir to be utilized as well as the notion that giving Usopp an OP legendary hammer would fit his character but I digress.
I think we just have vastly different views on Usopp Loki and Ragnir specifically.

Ragnir is a legendary weapon, but it’s not the most hyped weapon in Elbaf. That’s Lokis fruit. To me Ragnir is basically as legendary as Enma was to Wano. Seems perfect for the primary close ranged weapon (that Usopp lamented not having in Wano) and a super effective ranged weapon along with his slingshot. Idk how much Norse lore you’re into, but Mjolnir (which is the clear inspiratation for Ragnir) is not a warhammer, it’s a ranged throwing hammer that was specifically given to Thor by Loki in mythos. And seeing how commonly oda takes myth and implements it into his story (the tamate box from fishman island for example) this seems like the path Usopp going, to ultimately be forced to pick up Ragnir at some point this arc. To me this doesn’t diminish Ragnir at all, as its hype has always been completely overshadowed by the fruit power and Lokis massive physical power. When Gaban talked about Loki he hyped the fruit, when Harald asked Loki to grow strong enough to kill him he talked about the fruit, when Loki was given his bounty once again it mentioned his fruit, when Harald said he’d take Ragnir and the fruit once again the fruit was seen as the far bigger deal. Ragnir is a hype object, but it’s nowhere’s near the hype of Lokis devil fruit which is the actual treasure

And the point of a returning hammer is that this allows Usopp to use his patented trickery along with the hammers power as it’ll allow him to hit people from a blind spot.

I recommend rereading Usopps fights if you don’t remember. The Usopp hammer ended every single one of them for a reason. There’s a reason the Mjolnir theory has been so popular for over a decade.
 
Already had this discussion with Sanji bros in Sanji FC but devil is in the details with those panels. Only realized this after re-reading the volume but key take away here is these two statements.

Gaban: ‘Seems like there is more than one of you with conqueror’s Haki’

Luffy: ‘What you didn’t know? It’s been oozing out of you’

Gaban has met Zoro prior so him being unsure about Zoro’s Haki given Luffy’s statement is very unlikely. In which case he was most likely referring to Sanji here.
Yes Gaban did already meet Zoro, and he did say Zoro was more at ease with it implying Sanji has it but isn’t as ease with it. 1152 was ground breaking chapter that showed us that Zoro and Sanji are a lot stronger than they’ve let on.
 
i saw redditards arguing that hajrudin has to become the next king because that would teach the reader that racemixxing is good, or that ancestry doesn't matter or something.
That sounds nutty but tbh I can believe that, they tend to be a sanctimonious bunch over there indeed...very obsessed in adding messaging to anything and everything, provided it's messaging that they like, of course.

Whoever becomes Elbaph's king should become so for good in-universe reasons, the writing should be consistent is all imho. Social messaging is second place at best.

Anyways what do you think will happen to Hajrudin? I'm curious as to what he will do and become.
 
That sounds nutty but tbh I can believe that, they tend to be a sanctimonious bunch over there indeed...very obsessed in adding messaging to anything and everything, provided it's messaging that they like, of course.

Whoever becomes Elbaph's king should become so for good in-universe reasons, the writing should be consistent is all imho. Social messaging is second place at best.

Anyways what do you think will happen to Hajrudin? I'm curious as to what he will do and become.
well, he will continue leading the new giant warrior pirates. i believe a second marineford war is looming. maybe he defeats john giant then.
 
First Kuma and now Hajrudin. Milluki's bloodlust grows ever stronger, and woe betide any fool brave enough to stand in his way.
He also wants Ju Peter dead, and replaced by Sommers. I'm convinced milluki has proscription lists ready for the Final War. If he were IMU's right-hand man, half the OP world would have been assassinated by now.
 
Seeing how Holy Knights and Gorosei are mostly Imu Victims, just like Harald,
That means We still haven't seen his "Actual" Commanders,

According to Gorosei, there are 13 Members (Eight Knights + Five Elders), but Imu's Name is a Reference to 16, which was also Teased in Lulusia's Destruction + Doffy's Sixteen Holy Bullets + Ox Bell + Red Line being Combination of All Island Types which are 16 ... etc

I wonder if Imu actually have Three Evil Commanders who aren't Controlled by him, it's like They are his Calamities.
 
And one of them could be a famed man said to work for the government and sail the world in a black ship, creating whirpools?
That's possible, tbh at this point, Man With Burn Scar could be anyone,
Imo these Three Commanders need to follow a Pattern, and these are Trio who might fit:

Sea God + Earth God + Forest God
Earth + Neptune + Uranus (Three Planets Left)
Florian Triangle Trio
OG Marine + OG Cipher-Pol + OG Warden
... etc
 
He also wants Ju Peter dead, and replaced by Sommers. I'm convinced milluki has proscription lists ready for the Final War. If he were IMU's right-hand man, half the OP world would have been assassinated by now.
If this man was the writer of One Piece he'd make GRRM jealous enough of his kill count to finish Winds of Winter lmao.
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Seeing how Holy Knights and Gorosei are mostly Imu Victims, just like Harald,
That means We still haven't seen his "Actual" Commanders,

According to Gorosei, there are 13 Members (Eight Knights + Five Elders), but Imu's Name is a Reference to 16, which was also Teased in Lulusia's Destruction + Doffy's Sixteen Holy Bullets + Ox Bell + Red Line being Combination of All Island Types which are 16 ... etc

I wonder if Imu actually have Three Evil Commanders who aren't Controlled by him, it's like They are his Calamities.
You think Mihawk could be one of them? Since they have similar eyes.
 
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