Powers & Abilities The new magazine calls Holy Knights the strongest unit in the World Government

[AER15]

世界政府最強部隊 = The World Government's Strongest Unit

 

[The Shaman King]

Its also the same Magazine that says Zoro=Sanji
Take Data book/Magazine/Statements with a grain of salt otherwise you are left with Sasori>Hashirama

 

[kom5]

世界政府最強部隊 = The World Government's Strongest Unit

Well they are after the Admiral failed against Rocks the HK were send against Rocks. Garling did fare better than an Admiral against Rocks.

 

[moreha9685]

Garling did fare better than an Admiral against Rocks.

Insofar as his regen kept Garling from being 1-KO'd like Jiaga.

 

[RayanOO]

世界政府最強部隊 = The World Government's Strongest Unit

@Elder Lee Hung

 

[MonsterKaido]

Magazine info are non canon

 

[moreha9685]

Magazine info are non canon

It's really not an issue. People don't understand that they're two separate organizations, one dependant upon the other, sure, but each with its own hierarchy.

The WG is a conglomerate of 170 countries, run by the CD families residing in MJ, themselves being judged over by the HKs and ruled by the Gorosei (and IMU).
The Navy is separate from the WG, though founded and funded by it. The Navy as a whole is a tool for policing and control used by the WG worldwide.

The HKs are the WG's strongest unit. They are a direct part of the WG. The Navy isn't; the Navy is employed by the WG.

When the POTUS says that his bodyguard is the "best agent" in his administration, he's not counting the FBI, CIA, NSA, nor the Army within that statement; he's only referring to what he directly controls for his safety, which is the Secret Service.

Or, if you want a more in-universe explanation, think of the Grand Fleet.
- The SHs are the CDs. They are the crew, the nakama, the main members. & they call themselves the World Government.
- FMI, Zou, Wano, and whatever other island sports Luffy's flag are the WG affiliated countries.
- The Grand Fleet is the Navy: an assembly of strong individuals following the SHs, and willing to go wherever needed to protect Luffy's reputation or his allies. Which we've already seen happen at the Reverie as well as with Barto and Shanks.
- But if Luffy says that Nami is his smartest nakama, he isn't counting the Grand Fleet. He's only referring to his crewmates.
The Grand Fleet may be an extension of the Strawhat Pirates, but they aren't the Strawhat Pirates.

Greenbull is a Marine working for the WG. If he were to be made HK by Garling, he would cease to be a Marine and would become a WG-man. He'd be among the strongest HKs, maybe only second to Shamrock. But he'd still be weaker than Akainu, his former Navy boss.

This distinction will soon gain more relevance, as the Navy will have to decide if to fight alongside the WG in the incoming Final War, or if they want to secede in pursuit of their own idea of how the world should look like.

 

[MonsterKaido]

It's really not an issue. People don't understand that they're two separate organizations, one dependant upon the other, sure, but each with its own hierarchy.

The WG is a conglomerate of 170 countries, run by the CD families residing in MJ, themselves being judged over by the HKs and ruled by the Gorosei (and IMU).
The Navy is separate from the WG, though founded and funded by it. The Navy as a whole is a tool for policing and control used by the WG worldwide.

The HKs are the WG's strongest unit. They are a direct part of the WG. The Navy isn't; the Navy is employed by the WG.

When the POTUS says that his bodyguard is the "best agent" in his administration, he's not counting the FBI, CIA, NSA, nor the Army within that statement; he's only referring to what he directly controls for his safety, which is the Secret Service.

Or, if you want a more in-universe explanation, think of the Grand Fleet.
- The SHs are the CDs. They are the crew, the nakama, the main members. & they call themselves the World Government.
- FMI, Zou, Wano, and whatever other island sports Luffy's flag are the WG affiliated countries.
- The Grand Fleet is the Navy: an assembly of strong individuals following the SHs, and willing to go wherever needed to protect Luffy's reputation or his allies. Which we've already seen happen at the Reverie as well as with Barto and Shanks.
- But if Luffy says that Nami is his smartest nakama, he isn't counting the Grand Fleet. He's only referring to his crewmates.
The Grand Fleet may be an extension of the Strawhat Pirates, but they aren't the Strawhat Pirates.

Greenbull is a Marine working for the WG. If he were to be made HK by Garling, he would cease to be a Marine and would become a WG-man. He'd be among the strongest HKs, maybe only second to Shamrock. But he'd still be weaker than Akainu, his former Navy boss.

This distinction will soon gain more relevance, as the Navy will have to decide if to fight alongside the WG in the incoming Final War, or if they want to secede in pursuit of their own idea of how the world should look like.

I know. Explain this to admiral fans like @Elder Lee Hung

 

[MUUGEN]

It's really not an issue. People don't understand that they're two separate organizations, one dependant upon the other, sure, but each with its own hierarchy.

The WG is a conglomerate of 170 countries, run by the CD families residing in MJ, themselves being judged over by the HKs and ruled by the Gorosei (and IMU).
The Navy is separate from the WG, though founded and funded by it. The Navy as a whole is a tool for policing and control used by the WG worldwide.

The HKs are the WG's strongest unit. They are a direct part of the WG. The Navy isn't; the Navy is employed by the WG.

When the POTUS says that his bodyguard is the "best agent" in his administration, he's not counting the FBI, CIA, NSA, nor the Army within that statement; he's only referring to what he directly controls for his safety, which is the Secret Service.

Or, if you want a more in-universe explanation, think of the Grand Fleet.
- The SHs are the CDs. They are the crew, the nakama, the main members. & they call themselves the World Government.
- FMI, Zou, Wano, and whatever other island sports Luffy's flag are the WG affiliated countries.
- The Grand Fleet is the Navy: an assembly of strong individuals following the SHs, and willing to go wherever needed to protect Luffy's reputation or his allies. Which we've already seen happen at the Reverie as well as with Barto and Shanks.
- But if Luffy says that Nami is his smartest nakama, he isn't counting the Grand Fleet. He's only referring to his crewmates.
The Grand Fleet may be an extension of the Strawhat Pirates, but they aren't the Strawhat Pirates.

Greenbull is a Marine working for the WG. If he were to be made HK by Garling, he would cease to be a Marine and would become a WG-man. He'd be among the strongest HKs, maybe only second to Shamrock. But he'd still be weaker than Akainu, his former Navy boss.

This distinction will soon gain more relevance, as the Navy will have to decide if to fight alongside the WG in the incoming Final War, or if they want to secede in pursuit of their own idea of how the world should look like.

all this defend ladmirals

 

[moreha9685]

all this defend ladmirals

Admirals don't even need to be defended. The Shichibukai alone are a stronger unit than the HKs.

 

[AER15]

It's really not an issue. People don't understand that they're two separate organizations, one dependant upon the other, sure, but each with its own hierarchy.

The WG is a conglomerate of 170 countries, run by the CD families residing in MJ, themselves being judged over by the HKs and ruled by the Gorosei (and IMU).
The Navy is separate from the WG, though founded and funded by it. The Navy as a whole is a tool for policing and control used by the WG worldwide.

The HKs are the WG's strongest unit. They are a direct part of the WG. The Navy isn't; the Navy is employed by the WG.

When the POTUS says that his bodyguard is the "best agent" in his administration, he's not counting the FBI, CIA, NSA, nor the Army within that statement; he's only referring to what he directly controls for his safety, which is the Secret Service.

Or, if you want a more in-universe explanation, think of the Grand Fleet.
- The SHs are the CDs. They are the crew, the nakama, the main members. & they call themselves the World Government.
- FMI, Zou, Wano, and whatever other island sports Luffy's flag are the WG affiliated countries.
- The Grand Fleet is the Navy: an assembly of strong individuals following the SHs, and willing to go wherever needed to protect Luffy's reputation or his allies. Which we've already seen happen at the Reverie as well as with Barto and Shanks.
- But if Luffy says that Nami is his smartest nakama, he isn't counting the Grand Fleet. He's only referring to his crewmates.
The Grand Fleet may be an extension of the Strawhat Pirates, but they aren't the Strawhat Pirates.

Greenbull is a Marine working for the WG. If he were to be made HK by Garling, he would cease to be a Marine and would become a WG-man. He'd be among the strongest HKs, maybe only second to Shamrock. But he'd still be weaker than Akainu, his former Navy boss.

This distinction will soon gain more relevance, as the Navy will have to decide if to fight alongside the WG in the incoming Final War, or if they want to secede in pursuit of their own idea of how the world should look like.

That's like saying the US Armed Forces aren't part of the USA

 

[MUUGEN]

Admirals don't even need to be defended. The Shichibukai alone are a stronger unit than the HKs.

yet guess who akainu and the lassmiral take orders from... the Gorosei, the WG.

try again

 

[moreha9685]

That's like saying the US Armed Forces aren't part of the USA

That's one country with one army.
The WG isn't, though. The WG is a whole bunch of countries coming together to rule the world.
The WG is more akin to NATO, or to the ex League of Nations.

yet guess who akainu and the lassmiral take orders from... the Gorosei, the WG.

try again

But orders have nothing to do with it. That's the job. Chain of command and shit. Lucci took orders from that weakling Spandam. Garp takes orders from the WG as well, yet I don't see you saying that he is weaker than any HK.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

zoro = sanjino and Sommer=>Akainu @EmperorKinyagi @Boiroy @nik87

 

[MUUGEN]

But orders have nothing to do with it. That's the job. Chain of command and shit. Lucci took orders from that weakling Spandam. Garp takes orders from the WG as well, yet I don't see you saying that he is weaker than any HK.

LMFAO what does spandam and lucci have to do with hierarchy of the Navy being under and run by the WG?

your argument is Navy is separate from the WG in which it is NOT. the Navy is a direct part of the WG in One Piece.

why would i say Garp whos rival/equal was Roger who was equal to WB is weaker than anyone in the WG....

Garp is undisputed as the strongest, maybe now in his old age he loses to someone like Shamrock, but if Rocks was bodying Garling and multiple HK with one arm Garp absolutely decimates them.

 

[Zoinks52]

It's really not an issue. People don't understand that they're two separate organizations, one dependant upon the other, sure, but each with its own hierarchy.

The WG is a conglomerate of 170 countries, run by the CD families residing in MJ, themselves being judged over by the HKs and ruled by the Gorosei (and IMU).
The Navy is separate from the WG, though founded and funded by it. The Navy as a whole is a tool for policing and control used by the WG worldwide.

The HKs are the WG's strongest unit. They are a direct part of the WG. The Navy isn't; the Navy is employed by the WG.

When the POTUS says that his bodyguard is the "best agent" in his administration, he's not counting the FBI, CIA, NSA, nor the Army within that statement; he's only referring to what he directly controls for his safety, which is the Secret Service.

Or, if you want a more in-universe explanation, think of the Grand Fleet.
- The SHs are the CDs. They are the crew, the nakama, the main members. & they call themselves the World Government.
- FMI, Zou, Wano, and whatever other island sports Luffy's flag are the WG affiliated countries.
- The Grand Fleet is the Navy: an assembly of strong individuals following the SHs, and willing to go wherever needed to protect Luffy's reputation or his allies. Which we've already seen happen at the Reverie as well as with Barto and Shanks.
- But if Luffy says that Nami is his smartest nakama, he isn't counting the Grand Fleet. He's only referring to his crewmates.
The Grand Fleet may be an extension of the Strawhat Pirates, but they aren't the Strawhat Pirates.

Greenbull is a Marine working for the WG. If he were to be made HK by Garling, he would cease to be a Marine and would become a WG-man. He'd be among the strongest HKs, maybe only second to Shamrock. But he'd still be weaker than Akainu, his former Navy boss.

This distinction will soon gain more relevance, as the Navy will have to decide if to fight alongside the WG in the incoming Final War, or if they want to secede in pursuit of their own idea of how the world should look like.

Interesting take.

I always saw it as the HK's being more of a specialized security force solely dedicated to CD protection, hence why they were at GV.

Under this understanding Warlords were basically like enemy forces (pirates) who'd been paid off to be neutral.

And the Navy was their main defense force, with the Admirals and Fleet Admiral being the most powerful fighting force who mainly exist as deterrents for the WG to use if any Emperors or other powerful pirates get uppity.

My Star Wars ship memories are sketchy but I think of it as: Admirals are Star Destroyers, Warlords are enemy ships of varying sizes that have been recruited to stay neutral and HKs are basically specialized types like Interdictors who serve a certain purpose.

 

[moreha9685]

LMFAO what does spandam and lucci have to do with hierarchy of the Navy being under and run by the WG?

your argument is Navy is separate from the WG in which it is NOT. the Navy is a direct part of the WG in One Piece.

why would i say Garp whos rival/equal was Roger who was equal to WB is weaker than anyone in the WG....

Garp is undisputed as the strongest, maybe now in his old age he loses to someone like Shamrock, but if Rocks was bodying Garling and multiple HK with one arm Garp absolutely decimates them.

Bro, it's your own argument.
You said that Akainu takes orders from the WG, therefore HKs > Navy.
But you yourself admitted that Garp bodies HKs.
So the fact that one entity is subordinated to the other doesn't translate in a direct power scaling between superior and employee.

No matter how you cut it, the HKs can't be the strongest WG unit unless you consider the Navy to not be part of the WG, but only employed by it.
Because, again, the Shichibukai alone are > HKs as a unit.

 

[Zoinks52]

Magazine info are non canon

My understanding is that the hierarchy for canon sources is:
1. Manga
2. SBS
3. Vivre cards (not flavor text)
4. Editor info (?)

And everything else is non canon unless proved by manga. Is that so?

 

[kom5]

It's really not an issue. People don't understand that they're two separate organizations, one dependant upon the other, sure, but each with its own hierarchy.

The WG is a conglomerate of 170 countries, run by the CD families residing in MJ, themselves being judged over by the HKs and ruled by the Gorosei (and IMU).
The Navy is separate from the WG, though founded and funded by it. The Navy as a whole is a tool for policing and control used by the WG worldwide.

The HKs are the WG's strongest unit. They are a direct part of the WG. The Navy isn't; the Navy is employed by the WG.

When the POTUS says that his bodyguard is the "best agent" in his administration, he's not counting the FBI, CIA, NSA, nor the Army within that statement; he's only referring to what he directly controls for his safety, which is the Secret Service.

Or, if you want a more in-universe explanation, think of the Grand Fleet.
- The SHs are the CDs. They are the crew, the nakama, the main members. & they call themselves the World Government.
- FMI, Zou, Wano, and whatever other island sports Luffy's flag are the WG affiliated countries.
- The Grand Fleet is the Navy: an assembly of strong individuals following the SHs, and willing to go wherever needed to protect Luffy's reputation or his allies. Which we've already seen happen at the Reverie as well as with Barto and Shanks.
- But if Luffy says that Nami is his smartest nakama, he isn't counting the Grand Fleet. He's only referring to his crewmates.
The Grand Fleet may be an extension of the Strawhat Pirates, but they aren't the Strawhat Pirates.

Greenbull is a Marine working for the WG. If he were to be made HK by Garling, he would cease to be a Marine and would become a WG-man. He'd be among the strongest HKs, maybe only second to Shamrock. But he'd still be weaker than Akainu, his former Navy boss.

This distinction will soon gain more relevance, as the Navy will have to decide if to fight alongside the WG in the incoming Final War, or if they want to secede in pursuit of their own idea of how the world should look like.

They its the strongest unit and Marines are a unit of the WG its there military organisation.

 

[MUUGEN]

Bro, it's your own argument.
You said that Akainu takes orders from the WG, therefore HKs > Navy.
But you yourself admitted that Garp bodies HKs.
So the fact that one entity is subordinated to the other doesn't translate in a direct power scaling between superior and employee.

No matter how you cut it, the HKs can't be the strongest WG unit unless you consider the Navy to not be part of the WG, but only employed by it.
Because, again, the Shichibukai alone are > HKs as a unit.

damn you are illiterate, no i said too bad akainu and ladmirals take orders directly from the Gorosei in which they are the WG so therefore the Navy is a direct part of the WG.... the navy/marines didnt just make themselves up and go under the WG, the WG created the Marines/Navy in order to have a direct military and force against pirates.... its why they are called WG dogs....

no i said HK>Admirals

I even say Garp>Admirals/Holy Knights

you're trying to say the navy is completely separate and their own subsidiary from the WG and that is incorrect neither is CP, they are directly under the WG same as Navy.


here is google AIs answer: is the navy a direct part of the world government in one piece
AI Overview

Yes, the Navy (Marines), or Kaigun, are the official military branch and primary law enforcement arm of the World Government, serving as its main force for controlling pirates, maintaining order, and enforcing its "Absolute Justice," directly under the Five Elder Stars and the Commander-in-Chief.
Key Points:

• Direct Affiliation: The Navy is the World Government's military wing, alongside intelligence agencies like Cipher Pol.
• Purpose: They enforce the World Government's laws, conduct international security, and fight pirates and criminals.
• Hierarchy: Led by a Fleet Admiral, who answers to the highest echelons of the Government (Five Elder Stars/Imu).
• Scope: They operate globally with bases and branches in every sea, with their main HQ on Marineford (later relocated).
• Other Forces: Other government forces include Cipher Pol for espionage and the Special Science Group (SSG).