Powers & Abilities The new magazine calls Holy Knights the strongest unit in the World Government

#22
Bro, it's your own argument.
You said that Akainu takes orders from the WG, therefore HKs > Navy.
But you yourself admitted that Garp bodies HKs.
So the fact that one entity is subordinated to the other doesn't translate in a direct power scaling between superior and employee.

No matter how you cut it, the HKs can't be the strongest WG unit unless you consider the Navy to not be part of the WG, but only employed by it.
Because, again, the Shichibukai alone are > HKs as a unit.
Garp is the strongest marine equal to a Roger and Whitebeard, he is far stronger than the Admiral Rocks low-diffed. They asked him to come over God-Valley not the others.
 
#23
damn you are illiterate, no i said too bad akainu and ladmirals take orders directly from the Gorosei in which they are the WG so therefore the Navy is a direct part of the WG.... the navy/marines didnt just make themselves up and go under the WG, the WG created the Marines/Navy in order to have a direct military and force against pirates.... its why they are called WG dogs....

no i said HK>Admirals

I even say Garp>Admirals/Holy Knights

you're trying to say the navy is completely separate and their own subsidiary from the WG and that is incorrect neither is CP, they are directly under the WG same as Navy.


here is google AIs answer: is the navy a direct part of the world government in one piece
AI Overview

Yes, the Navy (Marines), or Kaigun, are the official military branch and primary law enforcement arm of the World Government, serving as its main force for controlling pirates, maintaining order, and enforcing its "Absolute Justice," directly under the Five Elder Stars and the Commander-in-Chief.
Key Points:
  • Direct Affiliation: The Navy is the World Government's military wing, alongside intelligence agencies like Cipher Pol.
  • Purpose: They enforce the World Government's laws, conduct international security, and fight pirates and criminals.
  • Hierarchy: Led by a Fleet Admiral, who answers to the highest echelons of the Government (Five Elder Stars/Imu).
  • Scope: They operate globally with bases and branches in every sea, with their main HQ on Marineford (later relocated).
  • Other Forces: Other government forces include Cipher Pol for espionage and the Special Science Group (SSG).
You and your AI are missing out on the core identitary element of the WG.

The WG is the 20 Kings' descendats, the CDs.
The CDs are gods.
Everyone else is an insect.
The HKs are the gods' best unit because the HKs themselves are gods.
The Marines are outsider insects used by the gods to keep other insects at bay.

The Gorosei said it to Akainu's face. They don't care about the Navy's reputation. It is but a facade. The WG's image alone is what matters.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#25
You and your AI are missing out on the core identitary element of the WG.

The WG is the 20 Kings' descendats, the CDs.
The CDs are gods.
Everyone else is an insect.
The HKs are the gods' best unit because the HKs themselves are gods.
The Marines are outsider insects used by the gods to keep other insects at bay.

The Gorosei said it to Akainu's face. They don't care about the Navy's reputation. It is but a facade. The WG's image alone is what matters.
yet HK are not all CD this has already been proven through Harald.....try again.

so once again you yourself state Gorosei tell Akainu their subordinate that they dont care about their rep cause it is their military force and they will use them as the so choose to lmfao doesnt sound like the navy is separate from the WG by your own admission...

are you dumb or stupid?

hasnt Garp specifically been stated to deny admiral status cause he didnt want to be a WG dog... didnt the CDs call a buster call and lassmiral lizaru led the pack didnt a Gorosei member take charge of a buster call take lizaru and go to egghead?

admirals protect and directly serve CD....that is their role, this is manga canon
 
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#26
You and your AI are missing out on the core identitary element of the WG.

The WG is the 20 Kings' descendats, the CDs.
The CDs are gods.
Everyone else is an insect.
The HKs are the gods' best unit because the HKs themselves are gods.
The Marines are outsider insects used by the gods to keep other insects at bay.

The Gorosei said it to Akainu's face. They don't care about the Navy's reputation. It is but a facade. The WG's image alone is what matters.
I dont know what you trying to do but the Navy is part of the WG. The 170 countries have there own army. The navy is the direct army of the WG. They are part of the WG like CP or HK.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#27
Nice try but no. Lol

First of all the Holy Knights are not stronger than the Gorosei, that makes no sense at all lol.

Second of all this is a non-canon magazine not written by Oda, the same magazine that said Garp treated the Rocks Pirates like babies, which doesn’t even make sense lol. The same magazine also says Zoro = Sanji (based).

Third of all we’ve seen the Holy Knights fight and their feats are trash, Sommers got bodied by Gaban while Kizaru and Aokiji could keep up with Rayleigh and Garp without even using their fruits.

Fourthly the canon manga actually says the Admirals are the strongest of the WG lol.

So no, this magazine is nonsense lol.
 
#28
yet HK are not all CD this has already been proven through Harald.....try again.

so once again you yourself state Gorosei tell Akainu their subordinate that they dont care about their rep cause it is their military force and they will use them as the so choose to lmfao doesnt sound like the navy is separate from the WG by your own admission...

are you dumb or stupid?

hasnt Garp specifically been stated to deny admiral status cause he didnt want to be a WG dog... didnt the CDs call a buster call and lassmiral lizaru led the pack didnt a Gorosei member take charge of a buster call take lizaru and go to egghead?
Some of those points I've already touched upon in my very first post.

I'll do this one last simplification for you.
This is how the CDs think:
"The HKs are our best unit because the HKs are us. They are CDs*. We have at our disposal a whole army of insects, too, but they don't belong on our level. We are biologically superior. We are gods. Even if those insects have fighters stronger than our own, they are still insects. We use the insects for our godly pleasures and needs. Only the HKs are like us: the strongest of us."



*Those deemed fit, like Harald, Loki, and York are given a HK title and get assimilated into the CD lineages. That's what York wanted to accomplish in EH: become a CD. Once you're in, you're in. No longer an insect.
 
#30
I dont know what you trying to do
No shit.


The WG has a superiority complex.
Everything that's not them is a means.
They alone are the best.
The HKs are the strongest because the HKs are CDs.
The Navy is just a tool.
The Navy can, and does, have stronger fighters. But the Navy is not representative of the CD lineages. The Navy is a paid dog, and that's it.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#32
Third of all we’ve seen the Holy Knights fight and their feats are trash, Sommers got bodied by Gaban while Kizaru and Aokiji could keep up with Rayleigh and Garp without even using their fruits.
lol what lizaru got speed blitzed and stopped in his light speed mode by rayleigh this is old retired out of shape Ray then got so frustrated that he was unable to capture any SN due to this that he went after 500 fodder pirates....

Aokiji needed help from the entirety of the BBPC that were on the island even then Garp had to defend and prtect koby and the rest of his fleet, while also needing to disregard Aokiji speed blitz him and then body pizaru....

both were using their fruits both were shown insignificant against the old legends.

but way to go and admit lizaru isnt that fast
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#33
Some of those points I've already touched upon in my very first post.

I'll do this one last simplification for you.
This is how the CDs think:
"The HKs are our best unit because the HKs are us. They are CDs*. We have at our disposal a whole army of insects, too, but they don't belong on our level. We are biologically superior. We are gods. Even if those insects have fighters stronger than our own, they are still insects. We use the insects for our godly pleasures and needs. Only the HKs are like us: the strongest of us."



*Those deemed fit, like Harald, Loki, and York are given a HK title and get assimilated into the CD lineages. That's what York wanted to accomplish in EH: become a CD. Once you're in, you're in. No longer an insect.
lol so is the Navy/Marines separate from the WG or not?
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#34
lol what lizaru got speed blitzed and stopped in his light speed mode by rayleigh this is old retired out of shape Ray then got so frustrated that he was unable to capture any SN due to this that he went after 500 fodder pirates....

Aokiji needed help from the entirety of the BBPC that were on the island even then Garp had to defend and prtect koby and the rest of his fleet, while also needing to disregard Aokiji speed blitz him and then body pizaru....

both were using their fruits both were shown insignificant against the old legends.

but way to go and admit lizaru isnt that fast
Sommers fought Gaban for 3 seconds before getting sliced in half lol.

Kuzan tanked multiple blows from Garp and even matched him in a fist fight, and this is an emotionally nerfed, out of shape, and retired Kuzan who couldn’t use anything close to the strength of Punk Hazard Aokiji.

Kizaru showed like 3 new moves on Egghead that he never used against Rayleigh, I don’t even have to address that one lol. Egghead Kizaru who was himself non-serious would have low or neg diffed Rayleigh.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#35
*Those deemed fit, like Harald, Loki, and York are given a HK title and get assimilated into the CD lineages. That's what York wanted to accomplish in EH: become a CD. Once you're in, you're in. No longer an insect.
yet harald was never a CD and he became a HK....

do you even believe your own bs?

& no york doesnt want to be a HK she just wants to become a CD...
 
#36
lol so is the Navy/Marines separate from the WG or not?
It's like you can't read, despite me saying it so clearly.

The Navy is a WG branch. Founded and funded by the WG.
But they are different organizations, one within the other. One used by the other.

The core of the issue is how the CDs see themselves. That's why they claim the HKs to be their strongest unit.
And that's why I replied.

Whereas you are merely replying to say that admirals are shit.
I couldn't care less about that. By your own admission, the Navy has stronger people than the HKs. The HKs themselves are far from being the strongest group within WG's toolbox.

But the HKs are the only group of CD fighters.
That's the whole story.

IDGAF about Akainu this, Aokiji that.
 
#37
Nice try but no. Lol

First of all the Holy Knights are not stronger than the Gorosei, that makes no sense at all lol.

Second of all this is a non-canon magazine not written by Oda, the same magazine that said Garp treated the Rocks Pirates like babies, which doesn’t even make sense lol. The same magazine also says Zoro = Sanji (based).

Third of all we’ve seen the Holy Knights fight and their feats are trash, Sommers got bodied by Gaban while Kizaru and Aokiji could keep up with Rayleigh and Garp without even using their fruits.

Fourthly the canon manga actually says the Admirals are the strongest of the WG lol.

So no, this magazine is nonsense lol.
Only Agenda Tards and brainless Yonko Tards will take the magazine as canon.

I don't take magazines or vivre cards seriously anymore or view them as canon.

The only thing that should be considered canon is if it's either in a SBS or in the actual manga itself.

And imagine being called the strongest unit and yet this how they are treated lol.
 
#38
yet harald was never a CD and he became a HK....

do you even believe your own bs?

& no york doesnt want to be a HK she just wants to become a CD...
Fucking 1+1, dude. Fucking hell.

York wants to become a CD.
So you can become it. It's not just hereditary.

Similarly, one is offered the HK title even as a non CD, and through the title itself one becomes a CD.

Harald hadn't gained the last type of seal. Hadn't completed the mission given him by IMU. Had he done it, in time Harald's family would've become part of the Celestial Dragons.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#39
Sommers fought Gaban for 3 seconds before getting sliced in half lol.

Kuzan tanked multiple blows from Garp and even matched him in a fist fight, and this is an emotionally nerfed, out of shape, and retired Kuzan who couldn’t use anything close to the strength of Punk Hazard Aokiji.

Kizaru showed like 3 new moves on Egghead that he never used against Rayleigh, I don’t even have to address that one lol. Egghead Kizaru who was himself non-serious would have low or neg diffed Rayleigh.
okie thats fight he wasnt even expecting Gaban to be there lol

he took 3 attacks from garp with only one being a named attack in which was a throw and not even a punch...ble blu blah blah another cop out emotional...aokiji is not out of shape lmfao he was just shown prior to this fight on Totland using Ice Age....garp is also retired and out of shape and even mentioned his old age has nerfed him... try again

yeah guess what Lizaru was unable to use those moves against ray cause he one stopped him in his tracks mid light and then stalemated him and had him locked in a sword fight.... non serious then why did he have a fit and go and capture 500 random fodder pirates?

damn i forget how stupid admiral fangirls are
 
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