Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1170 Spoilers Discussion

[eamonpro]

Zoan worst kind of dfs. Only exception is Marco.

Non mythical zoans are ok. All the mythical zoans are "logia but i already used the element" lol

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

We need to start taking odds on whether Griffon is also a DF user at this point

I 1000% believe Gryphon ate the Mythical Gryphon Zoan. Would fit with Cerberus being a dog, and Gryphon being a bird; Shamrock has always been chasing Shanks, his brother who flies free, whereas Cerberus guards the "Hell" of Marijoa (what Sabo referred to is upon seeing the Gorosei and Imu transform).

If Ratatoskr is Ragnir, and Loki is Nidhogg... and Ratatoskr communicates between the Eagle and Nidhogg...

I've said for awhile I believe Shanks IS on Elbaph, but in Heaven World, partying to celebrate Linlin's defeat.

Eagle = Gryphon.

Who has Loki been shown communicating with in Elbaph recently? Which is why Luffy wanted to free Loki?

Shanks.

Shanks' Gryphon is most likely the Eagle at the Top of the World Tree, Ragnir is Ratatoskr, and Loki Nidhogg.

So, I'd expect Ratatoskr to have a good relationship with Shanks, or at least better than Loki does.

If Shanks stopped Loki from attacking Marijoa 6 years ago, to save Loki from a suicide mission, it would make sense for Ragnir to respect Shanks for keeping Loki from throwing his life away to seek revenge.

Edit: this is also how Shanks got to Marineford so fast, IMO: his sword can turn into a freaking Gryphon and literally fly the Red Force around (I think Dragon does the same with his ship, the Wind Grandma)

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

He basically created a better and more powerful Kaido

So a Kaido level guy is joining the crew
@Tyki_Mikk @kekaro @AL sama @Pot Goblin @DarkestKnightofSpoilers

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Shanks' core crew > Kaido's core crew. Oda explained this by saying they all don high average bounties, and didn't say that about any other crew.

That has nothing to do with Kaido v. Shanks 1 on 1. If Shanks beat Kaido he wouldn't have that title.

Whose opinion is more trustworthy, the guy who predicted that Roger would solo Rocks? Or the guy that predicted Shamrock would have the Cerberus fruit in 2023



It’s okay to just admit that you were wrong bro, we would all have much more respect for you if you did lmfao.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Bruh Usopp need that Ragnir ASAP

Loki already got his DF

 

[Jeanstealer]

A tiny bit sad that Lokitoskr isn't a thing, but Ledon's spoilers indicate that Ragnir transforms into a full-on Ratatoskr (aka it's not just gonna be a weird hammer with a few squirrel elements), which is cool enough for me.

But holy shit, TWO mythical zoans is just absolutely disgusting when stacked on top of ancient giant physicals (plus whatever the hell Loki's special eyes are) and top tier haki. Loki in his prime is almost guaranteed to be Top 5 (hell, probably even Top 3) OAT, even when taking into account the power creep one would expect to see at the end of OP.

 

[moreha9685]

It indeed seems the Nidhogg can « lift » the dead and « purify » them somehow
and carry them on his wings

Maybe One Piece's version of that is... Loki being able to purify people of buffs?
That is, disable G5?
Or, beyond that, to cancel out IMU's contracts, Domi Reversi, and mayharps even yokai forms?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Was Shanks ever unfair? He even made sure Kidd is at 100% health before 0.5 shotting him solo. Just as he went to clash with Whitebeard solo. Shanks ganging up on people so far is a myth and Loki's statement was meant to provoke Luffy. What "trick" is Shanks supposed to have used?

Not saying it won't turn out to be true though, but so far the reasoning isn't really solid.

kidd is not a top tier irrelevant.


The reasoning is loki's perception of shanks
he doesnt come across as a sore loser ,
the first person to overpower him actually gained his admiration.



my headcanon? am pretty sure he had him restrained in seastone chains.

 

[TheAncientGorosei]

I think One Piece power system was doomed the more and more top tiers get pulled out of Oda's ass. At a certain point there's gonna be more top tiers than those of high tier (at least the known ones)

Yay, or nay and I am exaggerating? @TheAncientGorosei @ZenZu @Blackbeard @Shiroyru etc.

You’re right, it’s already filling up like Yonko Commanders. It devalues the rank but what else can Oda do? Having Luffy solo Kaido forced his hand

 

[sanjikun]

So since it was off screened, it's plausible to say it was Red Hair Pirates vs Kaido crew, but with Loki which also was off screen , it was an one shot in 1v1?

We saw all the RHPs lmao. It was clearly his entire crew.

RHPs > Beast Pirates. But that's cause Kaido has bums as subordinates. Nothing to do with Kaido 1 on 1. If Shanks beat him, he wouldn't be known as the WS pirate, as Zoro/Killer confirmed.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

So a Kaido level guy is joining the crew
@Tyki_Mikk @kekaro @AL sama @Pot Goblin @DarkestKnightofSpoilers

They want such a strong character to join...
When it is not even clear if EoS Sanji surpass that dude....

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

So since it was off screened, it's plausible to say it was Red Hair Pirates vs Kaido crew, but with Loki which also was off screen , it was an one shot in 1v1?

Don't expect logic from yonko fans lol

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Shanks' core crew > Kaido's core crew. Oda explained this by saying they all don high average bounties, and didn't say that about any other crew.

That has nothing to do with Kaido v. Shanks 1 on 1. If Shanks beat Kaido he wouldn't have that title.

answer the question buddy
who got sent back home

 

[ZenZu]

I think One Piece power system was doomed the more and more top tiers get pulled out of Oda's ass. At a ceetain point there's gonna be more topntiers than those of high tier (at least the known ones)

Yay, or nay and I am exaggerating? @TheAncientGorosei @ZenZu @Blackbeard @Shiroyru etc.

The past is the past but currently alive top tiers, how many did he pull out? Shamrock (probably), Garling, and now Loki?

I guess he pulled out GB and Fuji but we've known of them since Dressrosa.

We already knew about the Gorosei so they don't really count.

Oda still refuses to make top tiers the norm, just look at most of the giants and holy knights.

 

[Peppercat]

Another thing to consider, why need a giant for this fruit?

 

[Blahmigooo]

It's not 100% confirm Nidhogg...as per the statement
Only the shadow we could guess
There's still 1% chance being Jormungandr
As both are similar being a serpent, could be baited by Oda's silhouette

If it has wings
It's over

 

[JJtheman]

Can Zoro beat Loki?

 

[sanjikun]

answer the question buddy
who got sent back home

I did answer your question. Kaido can't take on the entire RHPs, with or without his crew.

We saw at MF Shanks brought all his boys.

 

[Pot Goblin]

So a Kaido level guy is joining the crew
@Tyki_Mikk @kekaro @AL sama @Pot Goblin @DarkestKnightofSpoilers

Loki after flying 6 weeks to the next island

 

[park_min young]

Shanks' core crew > Kaido's core crew. Oda explained this by saying they all don high average bounties, and didn't say that about any other crew.

That has nothing to do with Kaido v. Shanks 1 on 1. If Shanks beat Kaido he wouldn't have that title.

Why do you think that Shanks captured Loki 1v1?
Kaido only had King with him against Shanks so they logically dipped. Loki is also by himself. Loki called him a coward, also carried him AND Gaban against Harald. Shanks isn’t dumb for him to challenge Loki in a 1v1.