Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1170 Spoilers Discussion

[kekaro]

Wouldnt a zoan be the exception to that as it boosts all physical stats
This on top of it being a legendary myth zoan the boost would be more

Essentially its a fast track battle ship bags

(Not to say the hammer doesnt add to the power as its clearly strong)

I get what you mean but i dont think so.
Lets take burgess as an example to make my point (lets say he has coc for this):
If the strength strength fruit multiples your strength (again same kanji, but like i said, context differnt meaning) does that mean burgess would have 100x coc strength or something at the point he eating it? No

Same can be said for zoan if you want to differentiate. I dont think if kid ace ate kaidos fruit, his coc would become low top tier (as we shown that even momo, who cant fight at all and is a retard gets insta boosted 100x tiers eating it and he shit his pants on top)


Like i said from how the word "strong" in this context is read (and again this is not op exclusive even Dragonball uses this context way back) i think its meant to your growth as a fighter overall. This als makes sense to me from the context as when Ray told it to luffy. It was beginning of the timeskip training arc. It also makes sense why Haki only blooms on the battlefield. When can you progress as a fighter the most? figting a stronger opponent than you, made clear multiple times

Again obviously i cant "prove" this with out diving into autistic language nuance where im myself are not even close to an expert but from how oda conveyed it make sense to me

 

[AER15]

Is this some cope? So Harald could free himself anytime, doesn't give af about killing his own men but the moment he fought against Loki and got mercilessly beaten, that's how he magically freed himself like that?

Did you see the leaks? Harald is fully regenerated before the final hit. Loki did no real damage until Harald freed himself, didn't even slow down his regeneration.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Oda doing Oda tings tings and writing lazyly again 💀

Anyways skimmed through the chapter and a lot of it I feel is up to interpretation.

First Harald’s comment on Ragnir.
What Harald says is that no one has been able to eat the fruit till now over sevral hundred years coz no one has been able to make Ragnir acknowledge them and says that now that he has the "power" granted from Imu he should be able make Ragnir acknowledge him. Keep in mind that Harald currently has a god complex and a massive ego, so he probably feels like there is nothing that he can't accomplish atm.
With regards to the notion of Harald or Rocks not being able to beat Ragnir, if that is your intepretation from seeing those panels of Loki v Ragnir then I don't know what to tell you tbh.

On Gaban and Shanks v Harald, like has already been stated Gaban explains that the mortal enemy (specific word used here is weakness) of the immortals is those that can coat their attacks with CoC. As the fight continues, Shanks comments on the fight going on forever and then Gaban says that Harald is also using CoC which is making it difficult and that's it's his first time facing an immortal that can utilize CoC.

Prior to this though, during the fight Shanks tells Gaban that he wants to save Harald and then Gaban says something which isn't legible coz of the watermark and then that the hope for saving Harald is Loki. So Gaban and Shanks role in this fight seems to be stall till Loki comes back.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Does anyone genuinely think Gaban's performance against a monster like DR Harald is supposed to be... bad? Like this is one of the strongest beings in the history of the world we're talking about here lol, even dodger and runleigh get bodied hard

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Is this Harald attacking Woki? Like there's no excuse. Woki beat the shit out of HK Harald with Ragnir and his legendary DF.

Now it really makes sense why Gaban feared Woki like that.

Yeah he's attacking Loki, Harald is saying "Show me that legendary power!"

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Its only because Oda wants Loki's powers to be surprising when used in the present. He does this with virtually every single fight where the he plans on showing off said character eventually.

I.e. why he offscreens Blackbeard defeating Law, Kaido vs BM during Wano, etc.

To him its not worth drawning a full fight before it matters to the present evidently.

Yeah, this generally doesn't bother me.

We're going to see Loki's real form in a volume at worst.

We probably still haven't gotten Rocky Port because Oda is that cagy about revealing Teach's powers.

Also, super simple reason, if Oda didn't offscreen fights, we'd still be in like Whole Cake right now. Too many cooks in the kitchen, as it were, LOL.

 

[TheD.]

Where is the crowd that was saying ragnir sumbmited to Loki because it sensed his heart?
LOKI BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF RAGNIR AND HARALD

 

[Garps tekkai]

Crazy part, Harald attacks first, but he can´t do anything, one hit of Loki throw him out, he heals, but Loki hit him again, stomps on him and end up breaking his head in the end, it was a one side battle, to a point where Loki transformed back into his human form...

Harald got his sense back, but unlike how few people wanna make sound it(@L57 ), Harald was the first one who tried to attack Loki, got beaten to his sense in mera short time.

This is a massive hype for Loki.
His Zoan form complete overpowered someone like Harald...

Yea it's practically a low diff w/o regen.

Loki's claws are also not just aesthetics, they are pretty much his main weapon w/o Ragnir and very lethal.

Loki is op and we have barely seen anything. There's most likely a big special ability incoming like op durability via magic fur or scales or something and who knows what's up with awakening and all...

 

[TheAncientGorosei]

This time he knows

A Sanji fan and a Zoro fan on the same page?

 

[Hanzo hattori]

Laban and young Shanks on the ground next to Jarul
Prime Laban is mid

 

[TheAncientGorosei]

Tbh the only reason why people say Luffy didn't use CoC to protect Kaido Katakuri and King's auras

Idk how King got dragged into it

 

[MonsterZoro]

Oda doing Oda tings tings and writing lazyly again 💀

Anyways skimmed through the chapter and a lot of it I feel is up to interpretation.

First Harald’s comment on Ragnir.
What Harald says is that no one has been able to eat the fruit till now over sevral hundred years coz no one has been able to make Ragnir acknowledge them and says that now that he has the "power" granted from Imu he should be able make Ragnir acknowledge him. Keep in mind that Harald currently has a god complex and a massive ego, so he probably feels like there is nothing that he can't accomplish atm.
With regards to the notion of Harald or Rocks not being able to beat Ragnir, if that is your intepretation from seeing those panels of Loki v Ragnir then I don't know what to tell you tbh.

On Gaban and Shanks v Harald, like has already been stated Gaban explains that the mortal enemy (specific word used here is weakness) of the immortals is those that can coat their attacks with CoC. As the fight continues, Shanks comments on the fight going on forever and then Gaban says that Harald is also using CoC which is making it difficult and that's it's his first time facing an immortal that can utilize CoC.

Prior to this though, during the fight Shanks tells Gaban that he wants to save Harald and then Gaban says something which isn't legible coz of the watermark and then that the hope for saving Harald is Loki. So Gaban and Shanks role in this fight seems to be stall till Loki comes back.

It was obvious they just stalling if you look at panel I was right leaker tried to downplay shanks and Gaban they casually sitting down letting loki try to save his dad

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Why don't you Sanji bros act like @kekaro ? Bro sees how Loki outperformed two top tiers at the same time and isn't coming up with ridiculous cope like that or attacks the leaker like the other sore losers.

And no, this doesn't make Gaban weak. Rayleigh or Oden wouldn't fare much better. Top tiers like Big Mom also wouldn't deal much damage because she was freaking struggling to beat Midd's ass. This Harald is one of the strongest top tiers. So there's no shame by losing to him. It also confirms my stance that even GV Garp and Roger were stronger than all the ordinary top tiers.

You can also see that both Gaban and Shanks were off panel diffed by Harald before Loki killed him. Is it what it is. Just take the L man.

Gaban and Shanks sure as hell shouldn’t be able to beat Harald

 

[kekaro]

Why don't you Sanji bros act like @kekaro ? Bro sees how Loki outperformed two top tiers at the same time and isn't coming up with ridiculous cope like that or attacks the leaker like the other sore losers.

And no, this doesn't make Gaban weak. Rayleigh or Oden wouldn't fare much better. Top tiers like Big Mom also wouldn't deal much damage because she was freaking struggling to beat Midd's ass. This Harald is one of the strongest top tiers. So there's no shame by losing to him. It also confirms my stance that even GV Garp and Roger were stronger than all the ordinary top tiers.

You can also see that both Gaban and Shanks were off panel diffed by Harald before Loki killed him. Is it what it is. Just take the L man.

I just really dont care to argue that point. Once we have the translations, better scans and probally the next chapter ( i dont think thats the last chapter of the FB) we will have a better clue. Maybe he is right and gaban taking care of jarul and Shanks is too depressed, sure, altho it seems headcanon. But why assume that from the context clues, like @Worstgenhq said: if they could stopped him they would stopped him so no matter what happened they didnt and thats means they were incapable of incapaciting or capturing him, even if shanks they dont want to kill him

Im not gonna take the scholar route to misread and gaslight myself to read a childrens manga faulty, i let that for the chatgpt and sfx merchants of twitter and their bots that regurgiate that shit here proving their low IQ

 

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[Hanzo hattori]

Is that the extreme diff battle between Loki and Ragnir?

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

It’s over. Lee is the King of WorstGen. I will now only be responding to comments that properly identify me by proper honorifics such as “Your Highness” or other appropriate titles. @TheAncientGorosei please change my name to “Lee Hung of the Twenty Kings”, this is my final form. @Fujishiro gave me permission to borrow his VIP privileges for this.

They said Oda would never disrespect Saint Shanks, Lee said Saint Shanks was nothing compared to Harald, and what happened? Harald defeated Mihawk-dueling Saint Shanks off-panel no diff while Saint Shanks and Prime Gaban couldn’t dent him.

They said Loki would be weaker than Saint Shanks, then Woki turned around and cleanly low diffed the character who low diffed Saint Shanks and would have straight up murdered him if he wasn’t his father.

They said Loki wouldn’t be god tier, Lee said Loki would massively power cliff every top tier.

Time and time again the masses ganged up on Lee, they thought they could stop him if they all ganged up on him at once but Lee has truly peered through the dimensional boundaries and cannot be stopped.

I look forward to integrating you all into Lee’s new Kingdom.

 

[MonsterZoro]

Laban and young Shanks on the ground next to Jarul
Prime Laban is mid

That’s not prime Gaban plus Gaban and shanks was not trying to kill harald look at the translation they stall for loki to bring herald back to his senses

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Loki just Kinda stomped Harald? like what even is this, biggest stomp between Top Tiers I ever seen. like look at this shit and then Harald vs Rocks, how strong is Loki?

I think way more characters have surpassed Rocks than we first assumed.

Loki and Kaido, Linlin in her prime, Shanks. Rocks would still ruin Luffy, but I think Teach is close to or has surpassed Rocks.

Big question I have with the scaling is this:

If you coat a Devil Fruit attack in CoC, can it get through Blackbeard's Black Vortex?

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Why shanks fan like fraud youtuber @Red Admiral still barking about him not being a SWORDSMAN?
Is he using his penis to slash?

He holds the sword with his left hand, he lost his stronger arm and the ability to hold his blade with both hands, Shanks isn't as strong as he could be that's why he's second fiddle to everyone and only skilled at using haki.