Powers & Abilities Can you spot the difference b/w Shanks wizard mastery vs Zoro's swordsmanship

[Chaves]

It doesn't really matter. Rocks shockwave style was called sword skill.
I used to think Shockwave coc weren't sword skill as well, but it was literally stated. Accept It already.

What's the big deal?
Yes, all of Rocks, Roger, and Shanks' abilities are sword skills (swordmanship), and their sword skills are inferior to Mihawk's, but yet they are all more powerful than Mihawk.

But that only means that Mihawk has better cutting skills than them; that's what Oda considers relevant to the debate about who is the best swordsman in the world.

 

[Fujishiro]

Accept It already.

Accept what?

 

[style]

What's the big deal?
Yes, all of Rocks, Roger, and Shanks' abilities are sword skills (swordmanship), and their sword skills are inferior to Mihawk's, but yet they are all more powerful than Mihawk.

But that only means that Mihawk has better cutting skills than them; that's what Oda considers relevant to the debate about who is the best swordsman in the world.

Does Oda know this?

 

[Impact]

They're just on repeat with this adcoc is swordsmanship and therefore the strongest swordsman has the strongest adcoc crap.

This is no discussion, this is a mud pit.

 

[HA001]

They're just on repeat with this adcoc is swordsmanship and therefore the strongest swordsman has the strongest adcoc crap.

This is no discussion, this is a mud pit.

Because its true.
The strongest swordsman is the one who has the strongest haki on his sword

 

[Impact]

Because its true.
The strongest swordsman is the one who has the strongest haki on his sword

Circular reasoning used by a vocal minority.

 

[style]

Mihawk’s combination of Haki, fighting skills, abilities, powers, weapon and physical attributes > Shanks’s combination of Haki, fighting skills, abilities, powers, weapon and physical attributes

thus, Mihawk > Shanks , as explicitly stated in the manga

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

but yet they are all more powerful than Mihawk.

When did Oda ever say this?

you have a source?

 

[Impact]

Mihawk’s combination of Haki, fighting skills, abilities, powers, weapon and physical attributes > Shanks’s combination of Haki, fighting skills, abilities, powers, weapon and physical attributes

thus, Mihawk > Shanks , as explicitly stated in the manga

That wasn't stated. It said he had greater swordsmanship, you're adding all the other stuff.

Swordsmanship by itself likely falls under Armament Specialist proficiency.

The moment you start calling Conqueror Coating an Armament Specialist's trait is the moment this all gets mixed up.

 

[style]

That wasn't stated. It said he had greater swordsmanship, you're adding all the other stuff.

Swordsmanship by itself likely falls under Armament Specialist proficiency.

It’s the other way around you schizo

 

[Impact]

It’s the other way around you schizo

Want to just call each other retards for the rest of the day? You obviously prefer reinforcing your beliefs and picking arguments.

 

[style]

Mihawk the WSS > Shanks the swordsman

it’s very simple , don’t complicate it for your agenda

 

[Impact]

Mihawk the WSS > Shanks the swordsman

it’s very simple , don’t complicate it for your agenda

Don't oversimplify for your agenda.

 

[style]

Don't oversimplify for your agenda.

Yeah sure I must not oversimplify a manga for 13 years old , this is not nuclear science we’re talking about

 

[Impact]

Yeah sure I must not oversimplify a manga for 13 years old , this is not nuclear science we’re talking about

So you're allowed to oversimplify and I'm not allowed to "overcomplicate" it. That's how you argue?

You know what the pattern is? Each time the haki system gets more complex, you end up oversimplifying it.

It's probably pseudoscience which is a lot trickier.

 

[style]

So you're allowed to oversimplify and I'm not allowed to "overcomplicate" it. That's how you argue?

You know what the pattern is? Each time the haki system gets more complex, you end up oversimplifying it.

There is a thing called Occam Razor
Use it

 

[Impact]

There is a thing called Occam Razor
Use it

Actually, Occam's Razor doesn't mean what you think it does and doesn't apply in the way you think.
- My idea is the idea with the fewest assumptions, and is therefore the simplest one.
- Your idea is the idea with several assumptions to force everything to be the same.

Big difference.

 

[MonsterKaido]

 

[kumae]

You guys can surprass 1000 pages on this thread won't change the fact that Shanks is a swordsman and mihawk is stronger than him

 

[Impact]

You guys can surprass 1000 pages on this thread won't change the fact that Shanks is a swordsman and mihawk is stronger than him

Again, this is an oversimplification of the power system that ignores the fact specialists exist.