General & Others Were Gaban and Shanks truly not strong enough to defeat Harald
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He retired in his 30s so the fall off wasnt that severe also he retired like two years after his journey ended. That's like Lionel Messi retiring in his 30s and then coming back after two years. You would best believe he would still have it. But if Lionel Messi retires and then a decade later decides to lace up his boots than the fall off would be massive. Inactive/retired 65 year old Gaban is no where near his prime. Still a top tier but very clearly out of shape.
Retiring doesn't mean he wasn't active. He still could've trained or sparred with giants and he frequently leaves Elbaf to travel. There is zero indication he's out of his prime. Gaban did nothing more to Harald than fodder giants or Jarul did, he was completely incapable of getting around Harald's regeneration and his only hope was to pray that Loki took care of it.
Just like you're assuming he did none of these things 
Nothing indicates that flashback Gaban isn't still in his prime.
Nothing indicates that flashback Gaban isn't still in his prime.
If you think I made an ad hominem argument then you simply do not know what an ad hominem is.
You're assuming that he has let his body deteriorate through inactivity and that he hasn't trained or fought at all, which is headcanon.
Gaban is retired from piracy, but he is still in prime age, as he is only a few years older than Wano Kaido and half a decade younger than Big Mom, both of whom are also in their primes.
You're assuming that he has let his body deteriorate through inactivity and that he hasn't trained or fought at all, which is headcanon.
Gaban is retired from piracy, but he is still in prime age, as he is only a few years older than Wano Kaido and half a decade younger than Big Mom, both of whom are also in their primes.
BM was active and only one case, and even then, decades into retirement is not prime. Confirming GV Roger not in prime over subjective interpretation of vague statement, but calling decades retired Gaban as prime Gaban with so much clarity as if you have manga page confirming it, just shows a desperation to push Roger >>>>>> Ray/Gaban agenda
Retirement because his crew disbanded, not retirement because he became old and weaker.
Roger only reached his prime years after God Valley which is stated in the manga. Gaban is in his prime because he's at a relative age to Kaido and Big Mom who are also in their primes.
Roger is >> Rayleigh/Gaban, but that's just a basic fact, nothing to do with agenda.
Roger only reached his prime years after God Valley which is stated in the manga. Gaban is in his prime because he's at a relative age to Kaido and Big Mom who are also in their primes.
Roger is >> Rayleigh/Gaban, but that's just a basic fact, nothing to do with agenda.
Very impressive but I’d say take it with a grain of salt. Already commented on it in Lee’s thread on the issue so will just quote my comment there ^^
I feel like it’s always one extreme or the other on the forum lol
I don’t think there’s any denying how powerful Loki is, the ferocity of whatever devil fruit he had completely overwhelmed Harald & put him in a state that weakened Imu’s connection over him.
Probably the result of the a barrage of ferocious attacks using CoC in line with what Gaban said about continuously attacking the immortals to slow their regen & we can see that Harald’s regen had slowed significantly when he regained his senses & had his talk with Loki.
Loki overwhelmed a PK level+ character in Harald which is impressive but context or rather what exactly Oda’s trying to show in that moment which is to hype Loki’s new devil fruit is key imo. I know mofos are obsessed with power levels on here but Oda’s not constantly thinking about that whenever he writes fights. There’s a lot of circumstances in this fight, the new devil fruit hype, surprise effect of whatever said abilities of devil fruit are and Harald not just being able to react to those ferocious attacks so he probably wasn’t even guarding properly with CoC etc. So yes as impressive as Loki was, I’d say let’s chill a bit lol even more so when it is clear that said character is still growing.
If you’re saying Loki is god tier now then he’s probably top 1 in the verse post Elbaf 💀.
There’s also Loki’s age, his portrayal in comparison to Luffy throughout this arc and also the fact that there is no way in hell that Loki outperforms Luffy this arc. Nika’s still the golden boy of this series & some have him on per with Kiz atm.
And then there’s the fact that he lost to Shanks allegedly. Gaban saw Loki’s abilities & knows how strong he is, yet he still hyped up Shanks in that moment. So is Shanks god tier+?
Loki’s undeniably a solid top tier, most likely high top tier which is incredibly powerful but lets chill with this god tier talk lol. Mans has not even peaked yet and we calling him god tier 💀
I don’t think there’s any denying how powerful Loki is, the ferocity of whatever devil fruit he had completely overwhelmed Harald & put him in a state that weakened Imu’s connection over him.
Probably the result of the a barrage of ferocious attacks using CoC in line with what Gaban said about continuously attacking the immortals to slow their regen & we can see that Harald’s regen had slowed significantly when he regained his senses & had his talk with Loki.
Loki overwhelmed a PK level+ character in Harald which is impressive but context or rather what exactly Oda’s trying to show in that moment which is to hype Loki’s new devil fruit is key imo. I know mofos are obsessed with power levels on here but Oda’s not constantly thinking about that whenever he writes fights. There’s a lot of circumstances in this fight, the new devil fruit hype, surprise effect of whatever said abilities of devil fruit are and Harald not just being able to react to those ferocious attacks so he probably wasn’t even guarding properly with CoC etc. So yes as impressive as Loki was, I’d say let’s chill a bit lol even more so when it is clear that said character is still growing.
If you’re saying Loki is god tier now then he’s probably top 1 in the verse post Elbaf 💀.
There’s also Loki’s age, his portrayal in comparison to Luffy throughout this arc and also the fact that there is no way in hell that Loki outperforms Luffy this arc. Nika’s still the golden boy of this series & some have him on per with Kiz atm.
And then there’s the fact that he lost to Shanks allegedly. Gaban saw Loki’s abilities & knows how strong he is, yet he still hyped up Shanks in that moment. So is Shanks god tier+?
Loki’s undeniably a solid top tier, most likely high top tier which is incredibly powerful but lets chill with this god tier talk lol. Mans has not even peaked yet and we calling him god tier 💀
