Future Events Shanks is EVIL! - The Straw Hat Is A Parasite (I have cracked Oda’s code)
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You're shattering this guy's agenda.
He's probably not evil on the same level as actual evil guys we've seen, like Doflamingo, the Gorosei etc, but he absolutely has plans for Luffy that are not in the interests of Luffy's dream. Shanks probably calculated Luffy as a guy to fulfill a prophecy and nudged history to force it to play out that way. If Luffy finds out Shanks saved him in Marineford or Shanks was at Wano chasing away an admiral, or that he only saved his life from Higuma as a bet, he's going to be seen as suffocating or spoiling the fun.
We've literally seen flashbacks in 1055 which show them bonding a lot outside of just chapter 1. Luffy isn't the type to just like someone cause they saved him, he clearly adored Shanks even before, which is why he wanted to join the RHP. And lol you're using so many words to describe someone simply pulling a kid's leg which adults do all the time to the kids they're close to lmfao and making it seem like a heinous crime. Clearly emotionally driven bullshit
Ok you're just ragebaiting, got it. It's not like the bandits had a gun pointed to the captain's head lmfao is it
Ok you're just ragebaiting, got it. It's not like the bandits had a gun pointed to the captain's head lmfao is it
Guys. I have finally done it. I have cracked the hidden, secret-sub plot that Oda has been putting right in front of our faces for 30 years. Just when Oda thought he could get away with hiding Saint Shanks’s true motives from us, some western ass hole (me) goes and cracks the code. You can’t hide shit from me Oda, I know you are reading this thread right now. You can write the royalty check for all of the money you owe me out to Papa Lee’s Mental Ju Jitsu Emporium.
I predicted the Figarland Captain of the Holy Knights having the Cerberus Devil Fruit in 2023,
I predicted the events of Egghead with 100% accuracy,
And today I’m here to ruin Oda’s biggest plot twist around Saint Shanks and why he is evil.
So, let’s bring this back:
This is probably Joy Boy’s straw hat:
But why does Imu have it? It’s just a fucking hat right? Why should Imu care enough about Joyboy’s Straw Hat to possess it?
The implication of this scene is that there is much more to Joyboy’s hat than it just being a simple hat. The implication is that Imu must be gaining something from Joyboy’s hat, or else why would he possess it? So let’s say Imu is getting some kind of power from Joyboy’s hat. What does this mean for Saint Shanks and Luffy?
But remember, Saint Shanks didn’t give Luffy the straw hat, Saint Shanks wants the straw hat back:
Now for 25 years we were simply meant to believe that Saint Shanks was simply telling Luffy to come and…be friends with him? I guess?
However everything has changed with the existence of this scene:
Again, we are meant to be asking why Imu possesses a Straw Hat identical to Luffy’s and what Imu gains from this. And by extension, we are meant to question the motives of a man who would give Luffy this exact same artifact.
Now some of you are correctly pointing out that Saint Shanks didn’t originally possess the Straw Hat, Gold Roger did:
And I believe Roger had the Straw Hat as some form of emulation of Joyboy. Again we don’t know the full context of what exactly a Straw Hat is and why Imu seems to covet one, but I believe Roger must have known whatever secret Oda is hiding from us. I believe Roger gave Saint Shanks the Straw Hat because Roger himself was sick and couldn’t take full advantage of whatever power a Straw Hat provides.
Meanwhile, I believe that Saint Shanks gave the Straw Hat to Luffy because the Straw Hat is secretly gaining some kind of power from Luffy, similar to the power that Joyboy gave his own Straw Hat. And I believe that someday, Saint Shanks intends to reclaim this power for himself after Luffy has somehow imbued this thing with enough power.
That’s right, the Straw Hat around Luffy’s neck is a parasite, secretly stealing some kind of power from Luffy that Saint Shanks intends to take back for himself.
Now let’s talk about all of the evidence for us finding out some or all of this information out for ourselves in Elbaf:
-the theme of Elbaf is literally about waking up children from a trance placed upon them by Celestial Dragons. This is Oda foreshadowing Luffy’s own character arc in Elbaf, as Luffy realizes that his own idol is an evil Celestial Dragon who has been manipulating him from the start, and Luffy has been like a helpless child to the manipulation of Saint Shanks.
-The first thing Oda tells Luffy about Saint Shanks in Elbaf isthat Saint Shanks is a coward. “Loki retracted it!” But the point was to begin a character arc where Luffy starts to challenge his initial perception of who Shanks is.
-When Luffy first hears about Shamrock, his natural assumption is that Shamrock must be a good person since he is related to Saint Shanks. Shamrock is literally the most evil person in Elbaf, and this is Oda’s way of telling us how horribly wrong Luffy is about Saint Shanks.
-When Luffy tells Gaban that Gaban doesn’t really know who Saint Shanks is, Gaban replies with “right back at you,” and then pimp smacks Luffy. This is Oda’s meta-textual way of continuing to stress to us that Luffy knows nothing about Saint Shanks.
I could go on and on and on about his Elbaf is set up to be one gigantic subversion specifically related to Saint Shanks’s relationship with Luffy but let’s continue.
Now for Oda to successfully prove to us that Saint Shanks has been evil all along, Oda must reveal this information to us in a way that completely recontextualizes literally all of Saint Shanks’s actions throughout the manga. I believe that Oda revealing that the Straw Hat was Saint Shanks’s parasite feeding off of Luffy would do this absolutely flawlessly.
Look at this scene here: is Saint Shanks excited that this kid he knew ten years ago successfully became a pirate? Or is Saint Shanks excited that the parasite he implanted ten years ago will return to him and make him stronger?
Is goody goody Shanks just that protective of his friends? Or is Saint Shanks a manipulative commander only concerned for the well being of his pawns?
Is Saint Shanks here to end the suffering and dying of random people he absolutely should not care about? Or does Saint Shanks want to preserve the current status quo the best he can so that no Pirate king emerges before he himself is ready?
This scene also gains an entirely new meaning if the Straw Hat is Saint Shanks’s parasite. Notice how the Straw Hat itself was the first thing Saint Shanks went to save when he arrived at Marineford. It’s almost as if the Straw Hat is what Saint Shanks cares about more than Luffy himself.
Look at this picture. Imagine that we found out I am correct and that Saint Shanks is evil. This is exactly the reaction an evil motherfucker would have to finding out that his parasitic investment will soon come to fruition.
I believe that Saint Shanks gave the Straw Hat to Luffy so that the Straw Hat would grow in power alongside Luffy, allowing Saint Shanks to attain for himself the exact same power that Imu gains from Joyboy’s hat. I believe Saint Shanks has been manipulating Luffy all along, and that every moment of Saint Shanks being happy or excited for Luffy, was in reality Saint Shanks being excited that his own plans are succeeding. I believe that just as Elbaf is about waking up children from the manipulation of the Holy Knights, Luffy’s own character arc is about waking himself up from the delusions of the evil Saint Shanks.
I’ve done it guys. Oda is my bitch.
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Actually he’s morally gay and wants to rizz Luffy up once he hit 18.
Some more interesting things I have noticed here:
Saint Shanks is an extremely skilled liar:
Saint Shanks was able to infiltrate the Holy Land and even outright attack the Holy Land without anyone suspecting him. This establishes a previously unknown truth about Saint Shanks:
That he is an incredibly skilled liar.
The fact that Saint Shanks was this good at lying to the Celestial Dragons highly implies that he is this good at lying to others as well, such as both Luffy and Elbaph.
Elbaph hates Loki, but none of the reasons they hate Loki are actually true.
-Elbaph believes Loki treacherously murdered Harald to steal Harald’s Devil Fruit, the literal opposite of the actual truth.
-Elbaph believes Loki murdered the Palace Guards, again the opposite of the truth as in actuality Harald killed them.
-Elbaph believes Loki burned down that village as a “prank”, in actuality Loki was taking revenge against the ones that poisoned Ida.
Time and time again Oda stresses that Elbaph knows nothing about who Loki actually is.
Meanwhile Saint Shanks seems to be universally loved in Elbaph, but we know that Elbaph’s judgment is incredibly flawed as they hate Loki who is a good person.
So are we just meant to accept that Elbaph’s judgment when it comes to Saint Shanks is accurate? That a known incredibly skilled liar is not deceiving Elbaph in any way, shape, and form?
In an arc who’s entire focus is that Luffy knows nothing about Saint Shanks, and is themed around children being trapped inside of a dream and lead astray by Celestial Dragons like Saint Shanks?
Nah bruh. The plot thickens. Saint Shanks is evil and a liar, and evidence continuously points toward that fact.
@Red Admiral @Uncle Van @Kurozumi Wiwi @Shiroyru
Saint Shanks is an extremely skilled liar:
Saint Shanks was able to infiltrate the Holy Land and even outright attack the Holy Land without anyone suspecting him. This establishes a previously unknown truth about Saint Shanks:
That he is an incredibly skilled liar.
The fact that Saint Shanks was this good at lying to the Celestial Dragons highly implies that he is this good at lying to others as well, such as both Luffy and Elbaph.
Elbaph hates Loki, but none of the reasons they hate Loki are actually true.
-Elbaph believes Loki treacherously murdered Harald to steal Harald’s Devil Fruit, the literal opposite of the actual truth.
-Elbaph believes Loki murdered the Palace Guards, again the opposite of the truth as in actuality Harald killed them.
-Elbaph believes Loki burned down that village as a “prank”, in actuality Loki was taking revenge against the ones that poisoned Ida.
Time and time again Oda stresses that Elbaph knows nothing about who Loki actually is.
Meanwhile Saint Shanks seems to be universally loved in Elbaph, but we know that Elbaph’s judgment is incredibly flawed as they hate Loki who is a good person.
So are we just meant to accept that Elbaph’s judgment when it comes to Saint Shanks is accurate? That a known incredibly skilled liar is not deceiving Elbaph in any way, shape, and form?
In an arc who’s entire focus is that Luffy knows nothing about Saint Shanks, and is themed around children being trapped inside of a dream and lead astray by Celestial Dragons like Saint Shanks?
Nah bruh. The plot thickens. Saint Shanks is evil and a liar, and evidence continuously points toward that fact.
@Red Admiral @Uncle Van @Kurozumi Wiwi @Shiroyru
Some more interesting things I have noticed here:
Saint Shanks is an extremely skilled liar:
Saint Shanks was able to infiltrate the Holy Land and even outright attack the Holy Land without anyone suspecting him. This establishes a previously unknown truth about Saint Shanks:
That he is an incredibly skilled liar.
The fact that Saint Shanks was this good at lying to the Celestial Dragons highly implies that he is this good at lying to others as well, such as both Luffy and Elbaph.
Elbaph hates Loki, but none of the reasons they hate Loki are actually true.
-Elbaph believes Loki treacherously murdered Harald to steal Harald’s Devil Fruit, the literal opposite of the actual truth.
-Elbaph believes Loki murdered the Palace Guards, again the opposite of the truth as in actuality Harald killed them.
-Elbaph believes Loki burned down that village as a “prank”, in actuality Loki was taking revenge against the ones that poisoned Ida.
Time and time again Oda stresses that Elbaph knows nothing about who Loki actually is.
Meanwhile Saint Shanks seems to be universally loved in Elbaph, but we know that Elbaph’s judgment is incredibly flawed as they hate Loki who is a good person.
So are we just meant to accept that Elbaph’s judgment when it comes to Saint Shanks is accurate? That a known incredibly skilled liar is not deceiving Elbaph in any way, shape, and form?
In an arc who’s entire focus is that Luffy knows nothing about Saint Shanks, and is themed around children being trapped inside of a dream and lead astray by Celestial Dragons like Saint Shanks?
Nah bruh. The plot thickens. Saint Shanks is evil and a liar, and evidence continuously points toward that fact.
@Red Admiral @Uncle Van @Kurozumi Wiwi @Shiroyru
Saint Shanks is an extremely skilled liar:
Saint Shanks was able to infiltrate the Holy Land and even outright attack the Holy Land without anyone suspecting him. This establishes a previously unknown truth about Saint Shanks:
That he is an incredibly skilled liar.
The fact that Saint Shanks was this good at lying to the Celestial Dragons highly implies that he is this good at lying to others as well, such as both Luffy and Elbaph.
Elbaph hates Loki, but none of the reasons they hate Loki are actually true.
-Elbaph believes Loki treacherously murdered Harald to steal Harald’s Devil Fruit, the literal opposite of the actual truth.
-Elbaph believes Loki murdered the Palace Guards, again the opposite of the truth as in actuality Harald killed them.
-Elbaph believes Loki burned down that village as a “prank”, in actuality Loki was taking revenge against the ones that poisoned Ida.
Time and time again Oda stresses that Elbaph knows nothing about who Loki actually is.
Meanwhile Saint Shanks seems to be universally loved in Elbaph, but we know that Elbaph’s judgment is incredibly flawed as they hate Loki who is a good person.
So are we just meant to accept that Elbaph’s judgment when it comes to Saint Shanks is accurate? That a known incredibly skilled liar is not deceiving Elbaph in any way, shape, and form?
In an arc who’s entire focus is that Luffy knows nothing about Saint Shanks, and is themed around children being trapped inside of a dream and lead astray by Celestial Dragons like Saint Shanks?
Nah bruh. The plot thickens. Saint Shanks is evil and a liar, and evidence continuously points toward that fact.
@Red Admiral @Uncle Van @Kurozumi Wiwi @Shiroyru
Hmm.
There is a clear set up for Luffy's Shanks worship to be questioned in some way imo. Like him attacking Loki, and Wings' exasperation with his idolisation.
I don't think Oda will make him evil, maybe a "for the greater good" type antagonist like Akainu is at most, but there is clear set up for something.
It's the leaked colouring of their Elbaph fits. You better like it or the Toei directors will come for your soul.
There is a clear set up for Luffy's Shanks worship to be questioned in some way imo. Like him attacking Loki, and Wings' exasperation with his idolisation.
I don't think Oda will make him evil, maybe a "for the greater good" type antagonist like Akainu is at most, but there is clear set up for something.
It's the leaked colouring of their Elbaph fits. You better like it or the Toei directors will come for your soul.
I don’t think Saint Shanks cares at all for the greater good, and there is little evidence that he does.
I think Saint Shanks is purely self interested and in pursuit of his own personal power. The fact that everyone around Saint Shanks seems to suspect nothing at all even remotely bad about him is strong evidence that he puts a lot of conscious effort into building a fake facade around himself, which suggests that his true motives are sinister.
Especially in Oda’s manga where a lot of characters like Oden, Harald, or Fujitora are willing to outright disparage themselves in for what they perceive as the greater good, the fact that Saint Shanks has built such a cult around himself is suspicious as fuck. And now that we know Saint Shanks is in fact a skilled liar, we are meant to question everything we know about this character even more.
Oda is practically screaming at us that there is some kind of huge revelation that Saint Shanks is hiding from Luffy that will almost certainly turn Saint Shanks into an antagonist.
I think Saint Shanks is purely self interested and in pursuit of his own personal power. The fact that everyone around Saint Shanks seems to suspect nothing at all even remotely bad about him is strong evidence that he puts a lot of conscious effort into building a fake facade around himself, which suggests that his true motives are sinister.
Especially in Oda’s manga where a lot of characters like Oden, Harald, or Fujitora are willing to outright disparage themselves in for what they perceive as the greater good, the fact that Saint Shanks has built such a cult around himself is suspicious as fuck. And now that we know Saint Shanks is in fact a skilled liar, we are meant to question everything we know about this character even more.
Oda is practically screaming at us that there is some kind of huge revelation that Saint Shanks is hiding from Luffy that will almost certainly turn Saint Shanks into an antagonist.
Straw hat is the key for the one piece. Without the hat nobody can reach the one piece. That's why it passes from generation to generation to spesific persons. It makes circles again and again to same persons they have the will to find the one piece and continue the legacy. Straw hat can't stay to random people. It has he's own will. Like luffys fruit that can't be eaten from random user. Straw hat is not just a random accessory. At the end the strawhat it will be the basic protagonist. Even more than luffy.
Would you say there are many examples of Shanks showcasing such purely selfish behaviour?
Main issue I have is that he's Luffy's inspiration, built up to be this heroic type etc and Oda clearly adores him.
It's been so consistent for him to be depicted in such a manner that I'm having a hard time imagining how or why Oda would make him evil.
Like I guess I could see this being a twist of the century where he turns out to be a traitorous Magnificent Bastard but I'm not too sure at all.
Cult huh?
I don't think it's meant to be seen that way per se. But for sure the RHP are far more ruthless than you'd think. As seen with Barto and Kid.
I suspect Shanks and his crew might teach Luffy and the SHs to be serious by defeating them or hindering them. Especially since last arc was not a success for the SHPs and Zoro was grumbling about Luffy being unserious.
Agreed, I do think he will play an antagonistic role for sure.
Main thing I doubt is that he will be evil to go with it. I'm expecting a Majin Vegeta situation where he KO's Luffy or harms him but it turns out to be part of his keikaku or epic sacrifice moment.
Main issue I have is that he's Luffy's inspiration, built up to be this heroic type etc and Oda clearly adores him.
It's been so consistent for him to be depicted in such a manner that I'm having a hard time imagining how or why Oda would make him evil.
Like I guess I could see this being a twist of the century where he turns out to be a traitorous Magnificent Bastard but I'm not too sure at all.
Cult huh?
I don't think it's meant to be seen that way per se. But for sure the RHP are far more ruthless than you'd think. As seen with Barto and Kid.
I suspect Shanks and his crew might teach Luffy and the SHs to be serious by defeating them or hindering them. Especially since last arc was not a success for the SHPs and Zoro was grumbling about Luffy being unserious.
Agreed, I do think he will play an antagonistic role for sure.
Main thing I doubt is that he will be evil to go with it. I'm expecting a Majin Vegeta situation where he KO's Luffy or harms him but it turns out to be part of his keikaku or epic sacrifice moment.