Questions & Mysteries Ace was executed because of Shanks?

[JackThaConflagration]

Rogers stole shanks from holy knights. So, as revenge, Ace was ordered to get killed.

WG doesn't usually go out of their way to kill some random thug/terrorist. They pretty much let yonko, warlords have free reign and do whatever they want. When it's clear imu has the power to instantly end them. You have to be on xebec level to receive attention from wg/imu.

Remember, Ace was offered shikohukai, so marines clearly didn't care about ace.

So, why did they go out of there way to kill Roger, was it because of a personal vendarta that Roger stole shanks? You take my son, I take yours?

 

[grey matter]

Oda changed Roger's role in the series.

Roger went from the over-arching larger than life figure, who had some similarities with Luffy but was still implied to be notably different; to ditto old gen Goofy having mickey mouse rivalries.

Pre TS Roger was the undisputed GOAT. And the way even old sick Whitebeard was an absolute menace pointed to the monster that Roger was, who was prime Whitebeard's equal.
This guy, while honourable and of good character (relative to other pirates), was implied to be a monster who murders entire crews and cities if they messed with him too much.

Roger directly went against the world govt, deciphered the poneglyphs, navigated the world and became the first person in centuries to learn the censored versions of history.
His actions were a direct rebellion against the world govt order/consensus.

And in his dying moments, he ushered in the great pirate era by mobilizing pirates across the world to find one piece.

Pre timeskip, Rocks also wasn't a thing. For the longest time in the story, Roger was the biggest boogeyman of the govt.

In this context, actions of world govt makes more sense.

Giving Ace an out makes sense as well.
Making him an ally would mean that the (supposed) golden boy of the new gen would be on their side in his prime. When that didn't work out, they would rather nip him in the bud before he grew up to become a PK tier character inheriting the strongest pirate crew in the world (WB's crew), with likely backing of RHP.

 

[vikas]

It was Bumgokus

 

[Taolaoxitbop]

Roger doesnt even notice that Shanks was there in the treasures, so it’s no steal. Ace dies simply because he’s an arrogance teenager. And Marine wanted to execute him is necause they figured out he has Roger blood, as stated in the manga

 

[Blazing Lion]

Oda changed Roger's role in the series.

Roger went from the over-arching larger than life figure, who had some similarities with Luffy but was still implied to be notably different; to ditto old gen Goofy having mickey mouse rivalries.

Pre TS Roger was the undisputed GOAT. And the way even old sick Whitebeard was an absolute menace pointed to the monster that Roger was, who was prime Whitebeard's equal.
This guy, while honourable and of good character (relative to other pirates), was implied to be a monster who murders entire crews and cities if they messed with him too much.

Roger directly went against the world govt, deciphered the poneglyphs, navigated the world and became the first person in centuries to learn the censored versions of history.
His actions were a direct rebellion against the world govt order/consensus.

And in his dying moments, he ushered in the great pirate era by mobilizing pirates across the world to find one piece.

Pre timeskip, Rocks also wasn't a thing. For the longest time in the story, Roger was the biggest boogeyman of the govt.

In this context, actions of world govt makes more sense.

Giving Ace an our makes sense as well.
Making him an ally would mean that the (supposed) golden boy of the new gen would be on their side in his prime. When they didn't work out, they would rather nip him in the bud before he grew up to become a PK tier character inheriting the strongest pirate crew in the world (WB's crew), with likely backing of RHP.

Very true
I think at some point Oda decided to give some of Rogers things to others. For the longest time I thought that Rogers first convo with Rayleigh implied that Roger already knew something and had a mission when he said lets turn the world upside down. But it seems that role was shifted to Rocks.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Ace was executed due to his potential and his relation to dodger. Nothing to do with shanks.

 

[Juanpiz]

Ace was executed due to his potential and his relation to dodger. Nothing to do with shanks.

They really Brought Admirals and warlords just for a yonkou Commander

 

[grey matter]

Very true
I think at some point Oda decided to give some of Rogers things to others. For the longest time I thought that Rogers first convo with Rayleigh implied that Roger already knew something and had a mission when he said lets turn the world upside down. But it seems that role was shifted to Rocks.

Yeah, Oda was very clearly implying that Roger, even as a very young man, knew there was something he had to do and that he was driven by destiny to change the world.

The very aura of Roger meeting Rayleigh was everything the CDs feared about the Ds. An uncontrollable, almost prophetic, rebel attempting to flip over the table and throw the world into chaos.
There is something about the "great men" of history IRL, where narratives and descriptions (from their comrades and adversaries alike) make it seem like they were almost possessed by an otherworldly force and purpose. Roger used to give that vibe with the Rayleigh flashback, legend of power/fame/wealth, ushering in a new age, etc.

Unfortunately Loda threw that characterization out of the window, and made him a clueless Goofy clone just interested in exploring and mickey mouse rivalries. What a waste.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Making him an ally would mean that the (supposed) golden boy of the new gen would be on their side in his prime. When that didn't work out, they would rather nip him in the bud before he grew up to become a PK tier character inheriting the strongest pirate crew in the world (WB's crew), with likely backing of RHP.

this

 

[MonsterKaido]

Yeah, Oda was very clearly implying that Roger, even as a very young man, knew there was something he had to do and that he was driven by destiny to change the world.

The very aura of Roger meeting Rayleigh was everything the CDs feared about the Ds. An uncontrollable, almost prophetic, rebel attempting to flip over the table and throw the world into chaos.
There is something about the "great men" of history IRL, where narratives show they were almost possessed by an otherworldly force and purpose. Roger used to give that vibe with the Rayleigh flashback, legend of power/fame/wealth, ushering in a new age, etc.

Unfortunately Loda threw that characterization out of the window, and made him a clueless Goofy clone just interested in exploring and mickey mouse rivalries. What a waste.

Oda divided OG roger into 2 characters one of them being xebec and the other being the goofy retconned roger.

 

[grey matter]

Oda divided OG roger into 2 characters one of them being xebec and the other being the goofy retconned roger.

The Roger of our imaginations (or at least mine lol) pre TS was a more legendary figure than Rocks lol.

Even Rocks didn't live upto what we thought about him lol. Rocks was implied to be a far more chaotic and maniacal figure than what he turned out to be.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Rocks was implied to be a far more chaotic and maniacal figure than what he turned out to be.

 

[Master OF Haki]

Oda changed Roger's role in the series.

Roger went from the over-arching larger than life figure, who had some similarities with Luffy but was still implied to be notably different; to ditto old gen Goofy having mickey mouse rivalries.

Pre TS Roger was the undisputed GOAT. And the way even old sick Whitebeard was an absolute menace pointed to the monster that Roger was, who was prime Whitebeard's equal.
This guy, while honourable and of good character (relative to other pirates), was implied to be a monster who murders entire crews and cities if they messed with him too much.

Roger directly went against the world govt, deciphered the poneglyphs, navigated the world and became the first person in centuries to learn the censored versions of history.
His actions were a direct rebellion against the world govt order/consensus.

And in his dying moments, he ushered in the great pirate era by mobilizing pirates across the world to find one piece.

Pre timeskip, Rocks also wasn't a thing. For the longest time in the story, Roger was the biggest boogeyman of the govt.

In this context, actions of world govt makes more sense.

Giving Ace an out makes sense as well.
Making him an ally would mean that the (supposed) golden boy of the new gen would be on their side in his prime. When that didn't work out, they would rather nip him in the bud before he grew up to become a PK tier character inheriting the strongest pirate crew in the world (WB's crew), with likely backing of RHP.

Seeing somebody with brains in this forum is so refreshing, nice to meet you, I think we haven't been acquainted before.

 

[JackThaConflagration]

The Roger of our imaginations (or at least mine lol) pre TS was a more legendary figure than Rocks lol.

Even Rocks didn't live upto what we thought about him lol. Rocks was implied to be a far more chaotic and maniacal figure than what he turned out to be.

That's because we learn about rocks from people who didn't truly understand him. Marines, most of his crew thought he was just some crazy lunatic that happened to be strong.

The only people who did understand him were herald and Loki. Dudes that knew a lot of history and understood what xebec was really trying to do.

And no, Roger pre ts wasn't as impressive as xebec. Xebec already knew the true history, fought imu, and was planning something much grander than anything Roger ever dreamed up.

Think of it this way. Rookie xebec was already a step a head of Roger after Roger went to raftel.

 

[Album]

Oda changed Roger's role in the series.

Roger went from the over-arching larger than life figure, who had some similarities with Luffy but was still implied to be notably different; to ditto old gen Goofy having mickey mouse rivalries.

Pre TS Roger was the undisputed GOAT. And the way even old sick Whitebeard was an absolute menace pointed to the monster that Roger was, who was prime Whitebeard's equal.
This guy, while honourable and of good character (relative to other pirates), was implied to be a monster who murders entire crews and cities if they messed with him too much.
.

oda didn't change Rogers role there is no difference or change between Roger pre time skip and roger post time skip the only difference is that we actually see more of him rather then just glimpses

and Roger isn't just a copy of luffy
we only saw some glimpses at pics of him when he was dying.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Oda changed Roger's role in the series.

Roger went from the over-arching larger than life figure, who had some similarities with Luffy but was still implied to be notably different; to ditto old gen Goofy having mickey mouse rivalries.

Pre TS Roger was the undisputed GOAT. And the way even old sick Whitebeard was an absolute menace pointed to the monster that Roger was, who was prime Whitebeard's equal.
This guy, while honourable and of good character (relative to other pirates), was implied to be a monster who murders entire crews and cities if they messed with him too much.

Roger directly went against the world govt, deciphered the poneglyphs, navigated the world and became the first person in centuries to learn the censored versions of history.
His actions were a direct rebellion against the world govt order/consensus.

And in his dying moments, he ushered in the great pirate era by mobilizing pirates across the world to find one piece.

Pre timeskip, Rocks also wasn't a thing. For the longest time in the story, Roger was the biggest boogeyman of the govt.

In this context, actions of world govt makes more sense.

Giving Ace an out makes sense as well.
Making him an ally would mean that the (supposed) golden boy of the new gen would be on their side in his prime. When that didn't work out, they would rather nip him in the bud before he grew up to become a PK tier character inheriting the strongest pirate crew in the world (WB's crew), with likely backing of RHP.

It’s sad how Roger got retconned from the GOAT of piracy to just another average great pirate. Literally nothing stands out about him other than a dora the explorer feat

 

[zenox]

This is nothing

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

This is nothing

How??

 

[zenox]

How??

Not impactful

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Not impactful

what are you even talking about lol