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If I can’t post reasonable things here without being flung wild accusations of dictator support here, I have no recourse but unreasonable things
Given that he has proven he will continue to tell users that I am a socialist dictator lover without evidence, I don’t see how if that user remains in this thread I can trust he won’t willfully poison peoples opinions against me or others for no reason by randomly calling them red commie dictator lovers or whatever is next as a non sequitur. I’d love if he wasn’t here because I wouldn’t have to, and I can be less profane and rude, but I don’t see how if it’s allowed to fling accusations like that anyone can defend themselves without just constantly making it clear, even if unprompted, that some users actively posting here make an effort to shut down good faith conversation and throw meaningful slander around like “you support Maduro.” Because right now I don’t see what else I can call him but stupid or a wimp, or a bad faith actor. Again, I’ll stop being profane and rude, but this is an assessment of fact by me:
The only way we can meaningfully have any political discussion while galaxylevelshanks posts here is if we constantly remind users who don’t know him of his habits, otherwise we’ll have to weed through “REEE COMMIE DICTATOR LOVER” every other comment and people won’t know if it’s based on anything real instead of out of his ass
Given that he has proven he will continue to tell users that I am a socialist dictator lover without evidence, I don’t see how if that user remains in this thread I can trust he won’t willfully poison peoples opinions against me or others for no reason by randomly calling them red commie dictator lovers or whatever is next as a non sequitur. I’d love if he wasn’t here because I wouldn’t have to, and I can be less profane and rude, but I don’t see how if it’s allowed to fling accusations like that anyone can defend themselves without just constantly making it clear, even if unprompted, that some users actively posting here make an effort to shut down good faith conversation and throw meaningful slander around like “you support Maduro.” Because right now I don’t see what else I can call him but stupid or a wimp, or a bad faith actor. Again, I’ll stop being profane and rude, but this is an assessment of fact by me:
The only way we can meaningfully have any political discussion while galaxylevelshanks posts here is if we constantly remind users who don’t know him of his habits, otherwise we’ll have to weed through “REEE COMMIE DICTATOR LOVER” every other comment and people won’t know if it’s based on anything real instead of out of his ass
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You are addressing an important issue here: certain prestige jobs mostly attracting people that seek social recognition and lots of cash that don't actually care about the subject. The result is anti social cunts sitting in these jobs and some of the highest positions of society.
What's the point of being a surgeon? Not to serve humanity and heal the sick?!
Now imagine a society where almost everyone is a surgeon but there are no garbage cleaners, bus drivers, shop assistants. Would you enjoy living in such a society?
That's nice and well but can you define 'harm'?
'Society' wants rewards for basic work like, childcare, education, and social/ community work, but it's not society that pays the wages my guy
What's the point of being a surgeon? Not to serve humanity and heal the sick?!
Now imagine a society where almost everyone is a surgeon but there are no garbage cleaners, bus drivers, shop assistants. Would you enjoy living in such a society?
That's nice and well but can you define 'harm'?
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'Society' wants rewards for basic work like, childcare, education, and social/ community work, but it's not society that pays the wages my guy
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I don’t deny passion exists but if you think anyone’s gonna go through the living hell med school is to earn the same as a garbage cleaner I promise you 99% won’t take that route. You need money to survive and live a luxurious life and that’s a brutal fact.
I don’t think most of you would be saying this if you spent the living hell that engineering and med schools are. Ofc passion plays a big part but most are also expecting a good salary for their efforts. That’s what makes the hard work worth it. Easy to boil everything down to passion if arts is the only thing you’re going. With all due respect, some jobs objectively are much harder skills to learn and require exponentially more effort. And unless you take them then it’s easy to comment that everything is abt passion from outside but most of us want a good reward too.
I don’t think most of you would be saying this if you spent the living hell that engineering and med schools are. Ofc passion plays a big part but most are also expecting a good salary for their efforts. That’s what makes the hard work worth it. Easy to boil everything down to passion if arts is the only thing you’re going. With all due respect, some jobs objectively are much harder skills to learn and require exponentially more effort. And unless you take them then it’s easy to comment that everything is abt passion from outside but most of us want a good reward too.
Did you read my post? This is precisely the problem. Society ends up with prestige seeking narcissistic assclowns in positions of influence for this very reason, which doesn't serve us in any way. Were lines of work like medicine and engineering less prestigious and promising of elitarian status it would attract the right people.
The harsh student life certainly contributes to them growing a certain sense of entitlement.
I'm not stupid, why would I ever consider doing this to myself? I don't need other people to worship and praise me.
The harsh student life certainly contributes to them growing a certain sense of entitlement.
I'm not stupid, why would I ever consider doing this to myself? I don't need other people to worship and praise me.
We were talking about the value of different types of work. Garbage cleaners, elementary teachers and childcare workers, to name a few, are much more important for society. Imagine a society with of only these aforementioned groups and ask yourself if this would be a functional society. Then imagine a society with only prestige jobs like, neurosurgeon, rocket scientist, engineer, ceo and ask yourself whether if this would be a functional society.
Yeah but that doesn't make any sense whatsoever....ofc it wouldn't be functional but it would also be fictional how would we have 8 bilion people become surgeons out of nowhere, u're just using an extreme and impossible to put in practice scenario to try and prove a point....
All the jobs that make society function properly are obviously important, but u can't just look at the time investment, amount of skill necessary, amount of stress to become a neurosurgeon AND practice neurosurgery and say " yeah being a garbage cleaner should be rewarded just as much as that "
All the jobs that make society function properly are obviously important, but u can't just look at the time investment, amount of skill necessary, amount of stress to become a neurosurgeon AND practice neurosurgery and say " yeah being a garbage cleaner should be rewarded just as much as that "
IMO the greatest trick Capitalists ever pulled was convincing people all of the countries run by dictators and fascist plutocracies were Socialism or Communism. No. No they weren't.
The reason these economic systems haven't worked, is incredibly simple:
The Capitalists destroy them and push puppets/controlled oppositions to guarantee these social experiments fail. That's why I stopped bothering to push them. It's like building a public garden in a city where arson is legal (stares at Gaza)
People will actually tell you that Hitler was sharing the means of the production with the proletariat, they're on the Walter White mix, holy shit.
Socialist/Communist societies do not have a chance in a global economy ruled by Capitalists, who profit off bombing and raping kids.
The way you can tell it isn't Socialism/Communism's fault is very simple: take Iraq and Iran. They are Muslim countries that worship an Abrahamic Religion, view Jesus with high regard, and in Iran's case had a functional democracy before terrorist insurgency from the West overthrew it and replaced it with these morons.
Why are they the way they are?
Because Capitalist murderers wanted their wealth/land. The
The ideology of the country's the USA, Israel, and Europe invade together do not matter to them. You can worship an offshoot of the same religion, and want nothing to do with these fuckers, and they'll still show up to rape and kill your kids. It has nothing to do with being Socialist or Communist.
Actual Socialism/Communism is where PEOPLE own the means of production, through government. As in, THE PEOPLE run the government. Guess why governments run by child murderers don't want the people, who want to rightfully jail them, to have power in the government?
They on the Walter White stuff if they want to tell me any major country is run by its people, none of them are fucking socialist/communist.
I used to believe the problem was money, but, I was wrong.
The problem is debt/interest. Capitalism is designed to make slaves through economic debt, and that's why it's evil. Slavery IS A FEATURE of Capitalism. I stopped bothering arguing about Socialism/Communism, though, because most of the people that call themselves as such are full of shit (the most Final Glue, the Shiniest Pillars), and 90% of people are just using their own definitions
These arguments are so semantics driven, people will tell you China is Communist. Telling anyone that China's People control its means of production, looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. No they do not, their Tennis Stars will get kidnap if they complain about getting raped, anyone who thinks the Proletariat is running China is smoking the Walter White pack, or maybe even the Oomaloompa Agent Orange.
Go ask Chinese slave workers how much political power they have, it's a disgusting insult to those people to pretend they have that power when all they have is misbranded tyranny.
Usury is the actual problem. The issue is it's hard to talk about this without racist idiots coming out of the woodwork, and trying to blame the Jews for everything while ignoring Christians Muslims Pagans and Atheists doing the exact same shit all over the place. I think a dude playing a Fish-Man Marine from a D&D Campaign (shout out Rustage the DM and Briggs who said it) put it best for me recently: "Every group of people has cunts."
I'll link to someone smarter than me:
"Very nearly every single large-scale societal problem (poverty, homelessness, inequality, endless economic growth, war, imperialism, social breakdown, political corruption, mental illness, bullshit jobs) can be traced back to usury or interest. If you “solve” this problem, then you also fix every single problem I mentioned above. It’s not difficult to understand, merely extremely difficult to implement.
[If this is something that you're already aware of, great: please don't comment something along the lines of "Everyone knows that already," because it's simply not true. This post isn't meant for you.]
Very quick definition: Usury is the practice of lending money on the condition that more must be paid back than was originally borrowed; this ‘little bit extra’ is known as interest.
Here’s how it works: Suppose you need a loan to buy a house. The bank lends you €100,000 but only on the condition that you pay back more than you borrowed. Not only must you repay the €100,000 principal, you must also repay, say, an extra €50,000 in interest. So over time you work, earn €150,000, and pay it back. The bank pockets €50,000 in profit, and you keep your house. Seems fair enough at first glance.
But stop and think: where did that extra €50,000 come from? The bank never created it. They only gave you €100,000. That “extra” has to come out of the money already circulating in society.
Now imagine, for the sake of this argument, that the total money supply is fixed at €1 million. (I'm aware that the money supply is continually increasing; this is an example for the sake of understanding.) By repaying €150,000 on a €100,000 loan, you’ve effectively siphoned €50,000 out of the common pool and handed it to the bankers. Even if you create a valuable product or service, others need to pay you with money that has been created through loans so everyone else now has less to work with; the same amount of people end up “chasing” around less money, which means that society as a whole is poorer. And society will keep getting poorer in the same way unless something fundamental changes. Why? Because most money in our system is created through loans which means there will always be more debt than money available to repay it. The math guarantees defaults.
The debt-money system, the usury system, is like playing musical chairs with your life. Not paying back your loans is like not finding a chair; and as time goes on, there are less and less chairs to go around. So some people must lose their homes, starve, or fail because the system literally makes it impossible for everyone to pay back what they owe.
Interest on debt is the most important problem that you have to focus on, the head of the snake so to speak, if you’re serious about tackling any problem. Here’s why.
Poverty and Inequality: Every loan requires more to be paid back than was created in the first place. This mathematical imbalance guarantees that some must default, some must fall behind, and others must accumulate unearned gains. Poverty is literally baked into the system. As long as interest exists, inequality widens and wealth flows upward, towards those who lend money at interest.
Endless Growth and Ecological Collapse: If money is created as interest-bearing debt, then the economy must keep expanding forever to service that debt. This is why governments and corporations are obsessed with “growth.” But infinite growth on a finite planet is suicide. Usury is the hidden driver behind deforestation, fossil fuel extraction, mass extinction, and climate breakdown: the pressure to expand at all costs. Think of it: banks only lend to those who can generate more money than they were given; that’s an incentive for endless growth.
War and Imperialism: War is profitable because it generates debt. Nations borrow to fund armies, and banks happily collect interest for generations. Historically, entire empires, from Rome to Britain to America, have run on the war-debt machine. Usury feeds conflict, because war creates the perfect excuse for more borrowing, more taxation, more control.
Social Breakdown and Moral Decay: When survival itself is tied to debt repayment, human relationships are warped. Neighbors become competitors, communities fragment, friends fight over “scarce” resources, and trust erodes. Instead of giving freely, we ask: “what’s in it for me?”
Political Corruption and Oligarchy: Debt makes governments beholden to creditors. Instead of serving citizens, they serve bondholders, bankers, and financial elites. This is why policy consistently favors capital over people. Usury concentrates power until democracies rot into oligarchies.
Personal Stress and Mental Illness: On an individual level, usury is the biggest reason for anxiety and depression. Mortgages, student loans, medical bills, and credit card debt all create a permanent background hum of stress that grinds people down. Self-harm and family breakdown are often downstream effects of the crushing burden of interest. If you notice, too, most couples fight over money. Why is that?
To sum up: usury is the source of almost all of our large-scale problems since it forces everyone into perpetual slavery. Why do you think that every great religious tradition recognized this and sought to ban usury? From the Torah to the Qur’an to the teachings of Jesus, usury was condemned as incompatible with justice and human flourishing.
If we are serious about solving poverty, restoring the environment, ending war, rebuilding community, and reclaiming sanity, then we must face the root of the rot. And the root is usury.
There are real solutions too: Universal Basic Income, mutual credit systems, minimum and maximum pay, Georgist land value taxes, and the shift from centralized to decentralized banking. I’d be glad to go into detail on any of these if people are interested."
The reason these economic systems haven't worked, is incredibly simple:
The Capitalists destroy them and push puppets/controlled oppositions to guarantee these social experiments fail. That's why I stopped bothering to push them. It's like building a public garden in a city where arson is legal (stares at Gaza)
People will actually tell you that Hitler was sharing the means of the production with the proletariat, they're on the Walter White mix, holy shit.
Socialist/Communist societies do not have a chance in a global economy ruled by Capitalists, who profit off bombing and raping kids.
The way you can tell it isn't Socialism/Communism's fault is very simple: take Iraq and Iran. They are Muslim countries that worship an Abrahamic Religion, view Jesus with high regard, and in Iran's case had a functional democracy before terrorist insurgency from the West overthrew it and replaced it with these morons.
Why are they the way they are?
Because Capitalist murderers wanted their wealth/land. The
The ideology of the country's the USA, Israel, and Europe invade together do not matter to them. You can worship an offshoot of the same religion, and want nothing to do with these fuckers, and they'll still show up to rape and kill your kids. It has nothing to do with being Socialist or Communist.
Actual Socialism/Communism is where PEOPLE own the means of production, through government. As in, THE PEOPLE run the government. Guess why governments run by child murderers don't want the people, who want to rightfully jail them, to have power in the government?
They on the Walter White stuff if they want to tell me any major country is run by its people, none of them are fucking socialist/communist.
I used to believe the problem was money, but, I was wrong.
The problem is debt/interest. Capitalism is designed to make slaves through economic debt, and that's why it's evil. Slavery IS A FEATURE of Capitalism. I stopped bothering arguing about Socialism/Communism, though, because most of the people that call themselves as such are full of shit (the most Final Glue, the Shiniest Pillars), and 90% of people are just using their own definitions
These arguments are so semantics driven, people will tell you China is Communist. Telling anyone that China's People control its means of production, looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. No they do not, their Tennis Stars will get kidnap if they complain about getting raped, anyone who thinks the Proletariat is running China is smoking the Walter White pack, or maybe even the Oomaloompa Agent Orange.
Go ask Chinese slave workers how much political power they have, it's a disgusting insult to those people to pretend they have that power when all they have is misbranded tyranny.
Usury is the actual problem. The issue is it's hard to talk about this without racist idiots coming out of the woodwork, and trying to blame the Jews for everything while ignoring Christians Muslims Pagans and Atheists doing the exact same shit all over the place. I think a dude playing a Fish-Man Marine from a D&D Campaign (shout out Rustage the DM and Briggs who said it) put it best for me recently: "Every group of people has cunts."
I'll link to someone smarter than me:
"Very nearly every single large-scale societal problem (poverty, homelessness, inequality, endless economic growth, war, imperialism, social breakdown, political corruption, mental illness, bullshit jobs) can be traced back to usury or interest. If you “solve” this problem, then you also fix every single problem I mentioned above. It’s not difficult to understand, merely extremely difficult to implement.
[If this is something that you're already aware of, great: please don't comment something along the lines of "Everyone knows that already," because it's simply not true. This post isn't meant for you.]
Very quick definition: Usury is the practice of lending money on the condition that more must be paid back than was originally borrowed; this ‘little bit extra’ is known as interest.
Here’s how it works: Suppose you need a loan to buy a house. The bank lends you €100,000 but only on the condition that you pay back more than you borrowed. Not only must you repay the €100,000 principal, you must also repay, say, an extra €50,000 in interest. So over time you work, earn €150,000, and pay it back. The bank pockets €50,000 in profit, and you keep your house. Seems fair enough at first glance.
But stop and think: where did that extra €50,000 come from? The bank never created it. They only gave you €100,000. That “extra” has to come out of the money already circulating in society.
Now imagine, for the sake of this argument, that the total money supply is fixed at €1 million. (I'm aware that the money supply is continually increasing; this is an example for the sake of understanding.) By repaying €150,000 on a €100,000 loan, you’ve effectively siphoned €50,000 out of the common pool and handed it to the bankers. Even if you create a valuable product or service, others need to pay you with money that has been created through loans so everyone else now has less to work with; the same amount of people end up “chasing” around less money, which means that society as a whole is poorer. And society will keep getting poorer in the same way unless something fundamental changes. Why? Because most money in our system is created through loans which means there will always be more debt than money available to repay it. The math guarantees defaults.
The debt-money system, the usury system, is like playing musical chairs with your life. Not paying back your loans is like not finding a chair; and as time goes on, there are less and less chairs to go around. So some people must lose their homes, starve, or fail because the system literally makes it impossible for everyone to pay back what they owe.
Interest on debt is the most important problem that you have to focus on, the head of the snake so to speak, if you’re serious about tackling any problem. Here’s why.
Poverty and Inequality: Every loan requires more to be paid back than was created in the first place. This mathematical imbalance guarantees that some must default, some must fall behind, and others must accumulate unearned gains. Poverty is literally baked into the system. As long as interest exists, inequality widens and wealth flows upward, towards those who lend money at interest.
Endless Growth and Ecological Collapse: If money is created as interest-bearing debt, then the economy must keep expanding forever to service that debt. This is why governments and corporations are obsessed with “growth.” But infinite growth on a finite planet is suicide. Usury is the hidden driver behind deforestation, fossil fuel extraction, mass extinction, and climate breakdown: the pressure to expand at all costs. Think of it: banks only lend to those who can generate more money than they were given; that’s an incentive for endless growth.
War and Imperialism: War is profitable because it generates debt. Nations borrow to fund armies, and banks happily collect interest for generations. Historically, entire empires, from Rome to Britain to America, have run on the war-debt machine. Usury feeds conflict, because war creates the perfect excuse for more borrowing, more taxation, more control.
Social Breakdown and Moral Decay: When survival itself is tied to debt repayment, human relationships are warped. Neighbors become competitors, communities fragment, friends fight over “scarce” resources, and trust erodes. Instead of giving freely, we ask: “what’s in it for me?”
Political Corruption and Oligarchy: Debt makes governments beholden to creditors. Instead of serving citizens, they serve bondholders, bankers, and financial elites. This is why policy consistently favors capital over people. Usury concentrates power until democracies rot into oligarchies.
Personal Stress and Mental Illness: On an individual level, usury is the biggest reason for anxiety and depression. Mortgages, student loans, medical bills, and credit card debt all create a permanent background hum of stress that grinds people down. Self-harm and family breakdown are often downstream effects of the crushing burden of interest. If you notice, too, most couples fight over money. Why is that?
To sum up: usury is the source of almost all of our large-scale problems since it forces everyone into perpetual slavery. Why do you think that every great religious tradition recognized this and sought to ban usury? From the Torah to the Qur’an to the teachings of Jesus, usury was condemned as incompatible with justice and human flourishing.
If we are serious about solving poverty, restoring the environment, ending war, rebuilding community, and reclaiming sanity, then we must face the root of the rot. And the root is usury.
There are real solutions too: Universal Basic Income, mutual credit systems, minimum and maximum pay, Georgist land value taxes, and the shift from centralized to decentralized banking. I’d be glad to go into detail on any of these if people are interested."
There’s no narcissism involved
People with these high skill degrees objectively do a harder and more prestigious job than most people
Disagree? Go learn their skill as easily
This doesn’t mean they’re superior by any means. EVERY human should have access to their basic needs and human rights. These people deserve to get rewarded more for the extra effort they’ve put in. A person building an aeroplane is doing a much harder task than throwing trash. As long as everyone is having their basic necessities met, there’s no issue with harder working people getting more. The problem is when the resource hogging gets to the point people don’t or struggle to get their basic necessities which is why we need some socialist policies to maintain that
Passion and incentive are NOT mutually exclusive
The very fact you’re even trying to justify a neurosurgeon earning the same as a garbage cleaner shows you have no idea about even half the struggles they go through to get to that state
A functioning society with some narcissistic neurosurgeons you rarely have to interact with (if at all) is much better than a society with no incentive where everyone is going to go for low skill jobs since they give them the same amount of money. And the latter society is objectively going to go to shit and in the end, nobody will even be able to meet their basic needs
Not all jobs are equal and that’s the brutal fact of life. Some skills are objectively superior to others whether you like it or not and no I’m not sorry if that comes out as harsh
Case in point. Bro already knows he's not gonna get a high skill job because it's objectively a far worse investment in society where everyone has equal wealth. Look no further than the same people pushing this crap
Passion my ass bruh y'all just propping up laziness
People with these high skill degrees objectively do a harder and more prestigious job than most people
Disagree? Go learn their skill as easily
This doesn’t mean they’re superior by any means. EVERY human should have access to their basic needs and human rights. These people deserve to get rewarded more for the extra effort they’ve put in. A person building an aeroplane is doing a much harder task than throwing trash. As long as everyone is having their basic necessities met, there’s no issue with harder working people getting more. The problem is when the resource hogging gets to the point people don’t or struggle to get their basic necessities which is why we need some socialist policies to maintain that
Passion and incentive are NOT mutually exclusive
The very fact you’re even trying to justify a neurosurgeon earning the same as a garbage cleaner shows you have no idea about even half the struggles they go through to get to that state
A functioning society with some narcissistic neurosurgeons you rarely have to interact with (if at all) is much better than a society with no incentive where everyone is going to go for low skill jobs since they give them the same amount of money. And the latter society is objectively going to go to shit and in the end, nobody will even be able to meet their basic needs
Not all jobs are equal and that’s the brutal fact of life. Some skills are objectively superior to others whether you like it or not and no I’m not sorry if that comes out as harsh
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Case in point. Bro already knows he's not gonna get a high skill job because it's objectively a far worse investment in society where everyone has equal wealth. Look no further than the same people pushing this crap
Passion my ass bruh y'all just propping up laziness
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lol stfu
About which part? Be real
The populace of America would currently let anyone do anything to them if you just shout “commies!!” Loud enough to convince em. American right wingers seem to all want to legalize running over protestors if you get talking deeply to them, and they’ll usually say it’s because they’re radical left socialists or some bs like that
Now in this thread you have people biting your head off if you don’t virtue signal by putting in “socialism bad of course” in every comment talking about what U.S. intervention might bring. Yes, I’m absolutely right that popular support for “gulags” among the right wing in my country is way higher than the socialist bogeyman they claim everyone and their mother is a pawn of. Don’t USA already have deals with one South American dictator to open megaprisons to send whoever they want to?
Now they’re floating Stephen miller “running” Venezuela, and all the “you a dirty red commie?” Commenters here will say you can’t discuss if that’ll be good for the people because it means you want Maduro back. Maybe not you specifically, but this thread is totally full of people from the country doing the takeover who can be led like sheep’s with 50s style red scare shit against their fellow countrymen or any nation the U.S. military wants to take over.
They’ll probably start saying Greenland is a commie hellhole soon to justify
About which part? Be real
The populace of America would currently let anyone do anything to them if you just shout “commies!!” Loud enough to convince em. American right wingers seem to all want to legalize running over protestors if you get talking deeply to them, and they’ll usually say it’s because they’re radical left socialists or some bs like that
Now in this thread you have people biting your head off if you don’t virtue signal by putting in “socialism bad of course” in every comment talking about what U.S. intervention might bring. Yes, I’m absolutely right that popular support for “gulags” among the right wing in my country is way higher than the socialist bogeyman they claim everyone and their mother is a pawn of. Don’t USA already have deals with one South American dictator to open megaprisons to send whoever they want to?
Now they’re floating Stephen miller “running” Venezuela, and all the “you a dirty red commie?” Commenters here will say you can’t discuss if that’ll be good for the people because it means you want Maduro back. Maybe not you specifically, but this thread is totally full of people from the country doing the takeover who can be led like sheep’s with 50s style red scare shit against their fellow countrymen or any nation the U.S. military wants to take over.
They’ll probably start saying Greenland is a commie hellhole soon to justify
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@TheAncientGorosei funny you mentioned healthcare spending yesterday. I’m looking at some projections for this healthcare company rn
$4.2B in revenue. All Medicare.
$4.2B in revenue. All Medicare.