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I’ll never forgive magats
I’ll never forgive magats
@TheAncientGorosei funny you mentioned healthcare spending yesterday. I’m looking at some projections for this healthcare company rn
$4.2B in revenue. All Medicare.
$4.2B in revenue. All Medicare.
Manual labour is easier than intellectual labour sadly. This is not to downplay manual labour. But usually, it's only one side that can replicate the other's work.
Regardless, if you read my post, you'd know that I advocated for everyone having basic human rights regardless of job and implementation of policies that prevent these poor people being abused but whatever, stay dense Mr "Neurosuregon should earn same as Garbage Man".
Your unrealistic utopia cannot be implemented because it's like a child wishing a world with just sunshine and rainbows. Every time people swear it will get implemented, they become yet another victim of human nature and it turns into a brutal authoritarian dictatorship where nobody even gets their basic human rights met and socialists who have never experienced struggle will downplay it and say "it wasn't real socialism" ignoring that it is damn near impossible to implement.
Regardless, if you read my post, you'd know that I advocated for everyone having basic human rights regardless of job and implementation of policies that prevent these poor people being abused but whatever, stay dense Mr "Neurosuregon should earn same as Garbage Man".
Your unrealistic utopia cannot be implemented because it's like a child wishing a world with just sunshine and rainbows. Every time people swear it will get implemented, they become yet another victim of human nature and it turns into a brutal authoritarian dictatorship where nobody even gets their basic human rights met and socialists who have never experienced struggle will downplay it and say "it wasn't real socialism" ignoring that it is damn near impossible to implement.
In life people search for more value than money in their work
Exactly. You seek money because you need money to survive. Now imagine living in a world were this need is not present anymore. Well... you will see that people find value in something else. And we are not necessarily talking about passion here. The sense of belonging, the sense of doing something that counts can be enough.
Why not ? The amount of work is the same and the value to society is also similar. If you start ranking the value of work then it's logical to say that a CEO must be payed more than a factory worker... but is it ethical ? Not really, not at all in fact.
This hierarchical mindset only works because we believe that we live in a meritocracy and because we need money to survive capitalism. But this is deeply flawed.
If one job is payed less, that would mean said job is less beneficial to society. But that's not the case. And the question is not if it's easy or hard, it's if it's necessary or not.
Do you feel like I lack individuality?
Sure..
Exactly. You seek money because you need money to survive. Now imagine living in a world were this need is not present anymore. Well... you will see that people find value in something else. And we are not necessarily talking about passion here. The sense of belonging, the sense of doing something that counts can be enough.
Why not ? The amount of work is the same and the value to society is also similar. If you start ranking the value of work then it's logical to say that a CEO must be payed more than a factory worker... but is it ethical ? Not really, not at all in fact.
This hierarchical mindset only works because we believe that we live in a meritocracy and because we need money to survive capitalism. But this is deeply flawed.
If one job is payed less, that would mean said job is less beneficial to society. But that's not the case. And the question is not if it's easy or hard, it's if it's necessary or not.
Do you feel like I lack individuality?
Sure..
Uhhh no ?
Let's just say that the value to society is similar, we need healthy people and we need our streets clean ( or there would be more sick people )
U can't compare picking up garbage from the ground to performing surgery the time you need to acquire that skill and the pressure / stress that's put on you when you execute it it's insane imagine having to opena dude's head in 2 and having to go through a 12+ hrs straight surgery to remove a tumor without a break and potentially killing OR permanently ruin what's left of the guy's life
A neurosurgeon can become a very good garbage cleaner tomorrow a garbage cleaner will have to go through life another time to become a neurosurgeon let alone a very good one. Both are valuable to society no one is saying they're not, but one skill is much more valuable than the other because it's insanely much more difficult to replicate.
Let's just say that the value to society is similar, we need healthy people and we need our streets clean ( or there would be more sick people )
U can't compare picking up garbage from the ground to performing surgery the time you need to acquire that skill and the pressure / stress that's put on you when you execute it it's insane imagine having to opena dude's head in 2 and having to go through a 12+ hrs straight surgery to remove a tumor without a break and potentially killing OR permanently ruin what's left of the guy's life
A neurosurgeon can become a very good garbage cleaner tomorrow a garbage cleaner will have to go through life another time to become a neurosurgeon let alone a very good one. Both are valuable to society no one is saying they're not, but one skill is much more valuable than the other because it's insanely much more difficult to replicate.
I wonder if all these pages of people talking about socialism aren't differentiating between Social Democracy (used in Nordic countries) and good old Socialism (like the USSR/Maoist China/North Korea).
Social Democracy is a good system and is needed to counter predatory practices that corporations may take against the working class.
Socialism is anti-human. Its end-goal is to abolish private property, which is as old as civilization itself.
Social Democracy is a good system and is needed to counter predatory practices that corporations may take against the working class.
Socialism is anti-human. Its end-goal is to abolish private property, which is as old as civilization itself.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/comm.htm
Marx’s end goal is the abolishment of private property.
Marx’s end goal is the abolishment of private property.
Yeah I mean I'm not saying they can't become a garbage person or that a garbage man can become a neurosurgeon, im saying they will be a not good worker. Any manual job ive ever worked was plagued with people who think they're too good for it and can't get a clue, constantly complain making everyone else just as miserable as them, etc.