Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1171 Spoilers Discussion

What will be Loki next power ?


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Forget about Luffy, he is the MC, and he will lap the old legends. Welcome to shonen.

In regards to how Loki compares to the other top tiers from the past. There is just way too much evidence at this point, one thing we can overlook, two things we can say is a coincidence, three, four, five, we're like 6+ "coincidences" deep now. At this rate Oda can come out and say people are straight up wrong and you'd still think he means something else.

Oda has conditioned this fandom so badly that he can put all this effort into conveying something, and they still don't believe him, which just speaks to how much he has traumatized this fandom 😂

However this isn't ZKK, Oda is literally doing everything in his power to tell his audience: Loki is that guy. He’s being positioned above the old legends, and these aren’t hunches anymore. The flashback is spelling it out in multiple ways.

1.There is a reason Oda made him replicate Kaidou's intro feat but as a newborn.
2.There is a reason Oda has an old legend himself, a top tier who fought with Roger his whole life, have a full time role wanking Loki.
3.There is a reason Oda spent the entire flashback hyping up this legendary fruit as the key to taking over the world, where someone like Harald wasn't even confident he could attain it without amps.
4.There is a reason both Harald and Xebec were amped, their downfalls paralleled. Them taking on multiple top tiers and still having the upper hand.
5.There is a reason Oda has Gaban + Shanks playing the role of chicken wings so Loki can come in and save the day.
6.There is a reason Imu had no issues with constantly sending even fodder Holy Knights up against Roger and his crew, but he doesn't dare do so around Loki.
7.There is a reason the final villain who has been alive for centuries is twerking to Loki when he was indifferent to every other legendary pirate.

Don't overcomplicate it. If you isolate any of these reasons by themselves sure you can sit here and find a reason to excuse it. That's not the point. You combine all of these things and the picture is clear. Oda is not doing all that just to say Loki is peers with Big Mom 😂 , especially given that current Loki is even older than those events.

The Shanks capture comment isn't enough to outweigh all of the above. It's suspicious in the first place why no one has ever said Shanks defeated Loki, when people have no issues saying Luffy defeated Kaidou, and even that didn't actually mean Luffy was stronger than Kaidou. Worst case scenario, Oda is about to make Shanks above everyone as well (this is the more unlikely path but I'm not about to act like this is my first shonen and that this isn't possible either).

This is just another generic shonen, yes power lvls get wonky near the end. Y'all need to stop holding it to some special standard, those legends are not the benchmark...that much has been cleared up, Oda has went out of his way now in this flashback to show it. The minute Luffy defeated Kaidou, someone who was already around the same lvl as the strongest of the old legends, before the final saga even began, this was bound to happen at some point. Oda couldn't even do Roger the courtesy of separating him from like 5 different characters in this flashback alone. He has spoken.
1. There is a reason Shanks beat his ass
2. There is a reason Gaban gave Luffy Loki's key, as he knew would beat Loki's ass (as Luffy said)
3. There is a reason the WG only gives him a 2.6 bill bounty
4. There is a reason he was KOed by Shamrock's dog, Gunko and base Luffy, which is not even 10% the damage Kaido took.
5. There is a reason he has no idea what ACoC is and has to be explained it by Gaban.

I agree. Let's not overcomplicate it.
 
The whole discussion about whether Loki is above Roger makes no sense because they fail to see the most basic premise of Shonen: power levels increase as the story progresses.

Roger, Shanks, Dragon, and Mihawk are the only characters whose power levels are still unclear, but since they will be revealed later, they'll all be superior to Loki.
 
So Shanks, Elbaf Luffy and God knows who else will all end up above Xebec, Roger, WB etc? :Rofl: Wtf have you been reading over the years? Its like you spent 10 years writing a dumb dissertation just to prove that 2 + 2 = 5. Some chapters might sound legit, but once you see the conclusion, you want to throw the whole thing in the trash.
Based on what is this conclusion false? This is a prime example of argument from incredulity. Just because you have pre set notions on what the power scales is, doesn’t mean all the new information we’re getting is irrelevant. Roger is outdated trash. Shanks and Loki (and other mid gen top tiers like Mihawk/Dragon/Akainu) are all much superior to old gen
 
The whole discussion about whether Loki is above Roger makes no sense because they fail to see the most basic premise of Shonen: power levels increase as the story progresses.

Roger, Shanks, Dragon, and Mihawk are the only characters whose power levels are still unclear, but since they will be revealed later, they'll all be superior to Loki.
Roger is forever capped at not being able to kill a holy knight he’s not on the level as eos dragon or shanks stop it
 
Big mom knows nothing about shanks
Don’t waste your time arguing with that bum

He thinks one throwaway statement is enough to ignore everything else in the manga lol

Whitebeard was the biggest legend since he’s been in the seas the longest so it’s obvious BM would see him in a higher light

And remember Saint Shanks was dormant at this time so he isn’t even making flashy moves for the One Piece

We all know what happens when Saint Shanks is in action
 
Based on what is this conclusion false? This is a prime example of argument from incredulity. Just because you have pre set notions on what the power scales is, doesn’t mean all the new information we’re getting is irrelevant. Roger is outdated trash. Shanks and Loki (and other mid gen top tiers like Mihawk/Dragon/Akainu) are all much superior to old gen
Clown.
 
God Tier is shitting your pants at DR era level attacks



Yes let’s conveniently ignore this is a Loki that’s been imprisoned for 6 years and is already very nerfed

And let’s downplay a supreme grade blade attack which has a legendary DF representing the mythical animal guarding the gates of hell

Absolutely impeccable scaling here bro

Loki is definitely only Doflamingo level. Or are we gonna put Pica above him?
 

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1. There is a reason Shanks beat his ass
When did this happen I must have missed it?

2. There is a reason Gaban gave Luffy Loki's key, as he knew would beat Loki's ass (as Luffy said)
Yes Luffy is the MC, he said he would kick Kaidou's ass when he was far weaker, his allies smiled and believed the chosen one, the future PK, god nika. Good catch dude, wow what a revelation! Is this your first manga?

3. There is a reason the WG only gives him a 2.6 bill bounty
This is fair on its own, before all the reasons I gave this was holding me up as well. Not anymore though cause new evidence has come out since then, and his bounty simply does not match his feats and portrayal. We know now, his power far exceeds the standard of 2.6 bil. Maybe this is why it was called a special bounty.

4. There is a reason he was KOed by Shamrock's dog, Gunko and base Luffy, which is not even 10% the damage Kaido took.
You just sound retarded. This doesn't merit a response even.

5. There is a reason he has no idea what ACoC is and has to be explained it by Gaban.
This is what makes him even scarier and why he is pretty much guaranteed to be Luffy's strongest ally in the end. He has arguably the best feat in this entire manga in taking out HK Amped Harald.....and he did this without any formal haki training, a feat that even haki masters had never achieved in their entire careers against far lesser competition. That is ridiculous, holy fuck I don't even have words to describe how dumb that is. Oda went too far with this one, the dude is pulling off the best feats of all time without even knowing what he is.
 
Loki actually not mastering his coc would be even worse for his downscalers because this literally means he still hasn’t reached his ceiling.He had strong enough coc to kill a holy knight and he’s not even realized he was using conquerors.

Woahki:goyea:
 
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