General & Others Were Gaban and Shanks truly not strong enough to defeat Harald

Actually, could that say something about Mihawk too? Because "pre-Yonko Shanks" was able to keep up with an extremely strong swordsman who's considered the best in the world after all.
Even assuming only Shanks got stronger but not Mihawk (for some weird reason), I don't see how this matters as HK Harald is one of the 5 strongest characters in the verse right now. It's not bad if Mihawk is below him
 
It took a prime Roger and Garp passing out to defeat DR Xebec, why is Gaban paired with a mid twenties Shanks unable to defeat Amped Harald unbelievable to you? It should be expected.

It's more that Loki could solo him which you have an issue with.
Well technically Loki woke him up and he let himself be killed.
 
They were not, but I don't think it was simply a matter of power level like some make it seem. I think Gaban and young Shanks would beat Loki in a battle.

There is something either in Loki's DF or Ragnir's DF that counters Imu's devil fruit. This was emphasized over and over. I think their DFs can temporarily "freeze" Imu's powers, and counter it like the Yami Yami no Mi.



We just need to wait and have a proper explanation of how Loki's 2 DFs work.
 
They were not, but I don't think it was simply a matter of power level like some make it seem. I think Gaban and young Shanks would beat Loki in a battle.

There is something either in Loki's DF or Ragnir's DF that counters Imu's devil fruit. This was emphasized over and over. I think their DFs can temporarily "freeze" Imu's powers, and counter it like the Yami Yami no Mi.



We just need to wait and have a proper explanation of how Loki's 2 DFs work.
Your delusional Loki wipes the floor with Scopper
 
They were not, but I don't think it was simply a matter of power level like some make it seem. I think Gaban and young Shanks would beat Loki in a battle.

There is something either in Loki's DF or Ragnir's DF that counters Imu's devil fruit. This was emphasized over and over. I think their DFs can temporarily "freeze" Imu's powers, and counter it like the Yami Yami no Mi.



We just need to wait and have a proper explanation of how Loki's 2 DFs work.
Dude stfu
 
Even assuming only Shanks got stronger but not Mihawk (for some weird reason), I don't see how this matters as HK Harald is one of the 5 strongest characters in the verse right now. It's not bad if Mihawk is below him
Except that Shanks was still able to defeat and capture Loki. So if Shanks is stronger enough than Loki to kick his ass, then that would mean he'd be stronger than Harald anyway. So something doesn't add up.
 
Except that Shanks was still able to defeat and capture Loki. So if Shanks is stronger enough than Loki to kick his ass, then that would mean he'd be stronger than Harald anyway. So something doesn't add up.
DR Harald > Loki. It's only because his regen got slowed down enough to let Loki take one final hit that Loki won.

That's why he said "Hurry up."

 
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