Speculations Will EoS Zoro and Sanji be the “Sword God” and “Love God”?
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Sanji is not worldwide known for being an augmented human anyway.
Idk why you think that part of him would be more important than anything for some random "title".
Also this whole "Oda is leaning towards this cyborg thing" is majorly weird, because it was just a single PU he had in Wano. xD
There's a 99% chance he gets ACoC here in Elbaph in order to fight the HKs, which is yet another PU not related to the germa things.
I legit don't understand where this "Sanji is getting more germa PUs" even comes from, ngl.
Idk why you think that part of him would be more important than anything for some random "title".
Also this whole "Oda is leaning towards this cyborg thing" is majorly weird, because it was just a single PU he had in Wano. xD
There's a 99% chance he gets ACoC here in Elbaph in order to fight the HKs, which is yet another PU not related to the germa things.
I legit don't understand where this "Sanji is getting more germa PUs" even comes from, ngl.
Look, the distinction between "android," "cyborg," and "augmented human" is more theoretical than practical. In fiction, the terms are used interchangeably, and I don't care to discuss semantics past a certain point.
DBZ, which I was using as an example for Sanji's purported title in the first place, switches between "android" and "cyborg" for 18 and 17 based on localization.
That being said, Sanji's body is mechanical. It even goes "vrrr" when his genes activate in Wano.
Furthermore, take Queen's words if you don't believe me (bottom right panel):
Sure Sanji goes on to claim that is a human, because thanks to Sora he maintained his emotions. But his body is still engineered nonetheless.
DBZ, which I was using as an example for Sanji's purported title in the first place, switches between "android" and "cyborg" for 18 and 17 based on localization.
That being said, Sanji's body is mechanical. It even goes "vrrr" when his genes activate in Wano.
Furthermore, take Queen's words if you don't believe me (bottom right panel):
Sure Sanji goes on to claim that is a human, because thanks to Sora he maintained his emotions. But his body is still engineered nonetheless.
It wasn't just a single PU, it's part of his backstory and identity. It's the thing that made him run away from home and renounce his name. It's why he became a gentleman and a cook in the first place: because Zeff offered him an ideology in line with his mother's, and opposite that of Judge.
Sanji's body ignites because of his passion, but it wouldn't be able to resist the flames of the DJ if it weren't for his genetic enhancements.
Either Sanji likes it or not, he is a modified human, and only by accepting it will he grow.
Germa's own itinerant kingdom will have to play a role in the Final War, and Sanji will be associated with them, hence the whole Warrior of Science and the comic hero Sora narrative.
It's not a one-and-done PU. Even if Sanji gets ACoC, that won't play into his legacy and moniker, the same way no other ACoC user shows this power in their name.
Sanji will be known for what he is and what he looks like. A gentleman cook, who catches on fire and can turn invisible thanks to his speed. All characteristics that, once his Germa background becomes known (flags raised in his name against IMU), people will connect to Judge's experiments. He will become a Warrior of Science; more than that, since he is the wing of the future PK, he will become the Warrior of Science, the perfected version.
Sanji's body ignites because of his passion, but it wouldn't be able to resist the flames of the DJ if it weren't for his genetic enhancements.
Either Sanji likes it or not, he is a modified human, and only by accepting it will he grow.
Germa's own itinerant kingdom will have to play a role in the Final War, and Sanji will be associated with them, hence the whole Warrior of Science and the comic hero Sora narrative.
It's not a one-and-done PU. Even if Sanji gets ACoC, that won't play into his legacy and moniker, the same way no other ACoC user shows this power in their name.
Sanji will be known for what he is and what he looks like. A gentleman cook, who catches on fire and can turn invisible thanks to his speed. All characteristics that, once his Germa background becomes known (flags raised in his name against IMU), people will connect to Judge's experiments. He will become a Warrior of Science; more than that, since he is the wing of the future PK, he will become the Warrior of Science, the perfected version.
Yeah, you kinda missed the entire point of Sanji's story, m8. 
Again, you completely missed the point.
So, quick recap.
Judge used Sanji to gain an alliance with BM, because that's the only use he can think of for his one useless son. But then BM betrays them. As the Vinsmokes are about to be killed, Reiju tells us that she started to hate less her family name since she learned that Sanji grew up to be a kind person.
This already sets the stage for the siblings to side with Sanji EOS over Judge's ideology.
Then, Sanji saves his family and, when asked why by Judge, he explains that Luffy wouldn't want his crewmates to be petty and stuck in past grudges.
Sanji also claims that the Vinsmoke version of him is already dead, but this is the beginning of him accepting his family ties.
Later on, Judge declares in front of Luffy how much of a failure Sanji is, but Luffy can only see everything Judge is critiquing as Sanji's strengths. This starts changing Sanji's own self-worth.
At this point, Sanji is still a tsundere towards the Vinsmokes and after revealing that he was given a raid suit by his brother, he claims that he'll never use such cheap tricks as "science".
Sanji's view is immature, and the SHs tell him so. On the one hand, Luffy and Chopper are hyped by the possibilities within the suit, while on the other Nami teaches Sanji to accept that science can do wonderful things.
This begins changing Sanji's opinion. Against Page One, he puts aside his pride to be as helpful as possible. He still rejects the Germa heritage, but the suit's pervy abilities already seduce him.
He even admits that his father's science has revitalized his dream!
And the fictional myth of Sora is immediately mentioned!
Then, just as Sanji was getting cozy to the idea of becoming "Stealth Black", in a chapter titled "Warrior of Science" (how much obvious can this be?), after being tricked by Queen into thinking that the raid is turning him into someone who'd hurt a woman, Sanji destroys the suit, not wanting to become controlled by Judge's tech.
Once more he rejects Germa, yet he is aware that his enhancements have been awakened and he'll never be the same again.
Enhancements that include durability, healing, super strength, and an icy heart. But Sanji doesn't have an icy heart. That's what sets him apart from his siblings. Now, after the raid suit has activated his genes, Sanji has everything his siblings have, and more--he maintained his humanity. His heart. His soul. His passions. That's what puts him above Judge's "successful" creations.
Queen wants to show the superiority of his technology over Judge's (because the siblings are still tech: they are genetic modifications, but they're still manmade improvements to the human biological baseline), which is when Sanji's heart changes once more. Having realized Queen's deception with the prostitute, Sanji can regain his identity, knowing that the tech isn't controlling him. He is in control.
And there you have it. Sanji finally accepts everything Judge gave him, and combines it with his own will to surpass his engineering and become stronger than Judge could've ever imagined.
This is when the fight against Queen ends. When Sanji finally integrates his Germa lineage into his own identity. When he lets his flames burn as bright as his will and modified body can allow him.
Because there's a reason why Sanji's element is fire. Fire in OP represents passion, represents will, ambition.
And Sanji now has outgrown his ego enough to one day accomplish what BM wanted to do:
Use Germa's science for good.
That's how Sanji will redeem his family's past. This is the path forward, using the product of centuries of experiments and eugenic ideology to help the future Pirate King liberate the world!
This is what you can't seem to comprehend. The raid suit was not just another power-up. It was a means to activate Sanji's genetic baggage, and therefore a jumpstart for his final character development, to get him where he needs to be by EOS: Vinsmoke Sanji, proud Germa leader, and left wing of the PK.
The genes, the suit, the exoskeleton are just half of the equation. The heart is the other half.
While the former half has carried much of the narrative from WCI until Wano, in Egghead Oda started focusing again (because that's always been Sanji's core identity trait) on his passions.
Which is why, in an arc in which the greatest scientist in the world acknowledges the existence of the soul, in an arc in which a cyborg ignores his death switch to save his daughter, in an arc in which a clone overwrites her orders because of the love that her original self proved for Luffy, Sanji starts blabbering about the Power of Love.
Being an augmented human is no longer a problem for him.
Being a Germa product is no longer a problem.
Sanji has overcome his identity crisis. He can now go back to being himself, back to expressing his passions.
That's Sanji's future: tech + love
That's what makes the perfect augmented human. And that's why the siblings are Judge's failures, and not Sanji. Because Judge removed their emotions, effectively neutering half of their potential.
EOS, Sanji will push his genes and his passions to the max, showing the entire world what the Germa lineage is capable of. It's not a coincidence that Germa's eagle emblem resembles Black Stealth's hairstyle.
During the Final War, there will be those countries who will follow Luffy because he's helped them (Alabasta, Drum, Amazon Lily, FMI, etc.) and those others who are tied to a specific Strawhat.
And then there will be Germa, which will show up under the pretext of claiming back their territory, but in reality they'll be there for Sanji, and Sanji will once more get out of his way to save them and even lead them, because Sanji won't hold onto the grudge anymore.
Warrior of Science Sanji is inevitable, though that could only be half of it. I wouldn't be surprised if Oda makes him a Warrior of Science and Love to prove his point that science can improve human lives, but it is only a crutch when divorced from the emotional side of man.
You don't need to use Bonney as an example since, technically, DF users are enhanced humans--or at the very least, all zoans, logias, and the paramecias who change your body. DFs are technology, not magic. That's why VP can replicate them. And they do enhance a baseline human, which is why, again, VP describes them as potential human evolutions and why the one who eats a specific fruit is called a "x man", rubber-man, fire-man, string-man, etc. The DF adds something more to the human biology.
IMO, current Nika's sword and shield are allegorical.
Zoro is Luffy's sword.
Sanji is Luffy's shield.
EOS, this will become clear, as Zoro achieves the greatest attack power in the series (thus gaining the WSS title), while Sanji develops his exoskeleton to an almost unpenetrable level, far surpassing the Lunarians (which are currently the characters with the best defense in the series, and to whom Sanji has been compared twice by Queen).
No, you don't seem to have been paying attention at all.
So, quick recap.
Judge used Sanji to gain an alliance with BM, because that's the only use he can think of for his one useless son. But then BM betrays them. As the Vinsmokes are about to be killed, Reiju tells us that she started to hate less her family name since she learned that Sanji grew up to be a kind person.
This already sets the stage for the siblings to side with Sanji EOS over Judge's ideology.
Then, Sanji saves his family and, when asked why by Judge, he explains that Luffy wouldn't want his crewmates to be petty and stuck in past grudges.
Sanji also claims that the Vinsmoke version of him is already dead, but this is the beginning of him accepting his family ties.
Later on, Judge declares in front of Luffy how much of a failure Sanji is, but Luffy can only see everything Judge is critiquing as Sanji's strengths. This starts changing Sanji's own self-worth.
At this point, Sanji is still a tsundere towards the Vinsmokes and after revealing that he was given a raid suit by his brother, he claims that he'll never use such cheap tricks as "science".
Sanji's view is immature, and the SHs tell him so. On the one hand, Luffy and Chopper are hyped by the possibilities within the suit, while on the other Nami teaches Sanji to accept that science can do wonderful things.
This begins changing Sanji's opinion. Against Page One, he puts aside his pride to be as helpful as possible. He still rejects the Germa heritage, but the suit's pervy abilities already seduce him.
He even admits that his father's science has revitalized his dream!
And the fictional myth of Sora is immediately mentioned!
Then, just as Sanji was getting cozy to the idea of becoming "Stealth Black", in a chapter titled "Warrior of Science" (how much obvious can this be?), after being tricked by Queen into thinking that the raid is turning him into someone who'd hurt a woman, Sanji destroys the suit, not wanting to become controlled by Judge's tech.
Once more he rejects Germa, yet he is aware that his enhancements have been awakened and he'll never be the same again.
Enhancements that include durability, healing, super strength, and an icy heart. But Sanji doesn't have an icy heart. That's what sets him apart from his siblings. Now, after the raid suit has activated his genes, Sanji has everything his siblings have, and more--he maintained his humanity. His heart. His soul. His passions. That's what puts him above Judge's "successful" creations.
Queen wants to show the superiority of his technology over Judge's (because the siblings are still tech: they are genetic modifications, but they're still manmade improvements to the human biological baseline), which is when Sanji's heart changes once more. Having realized Queen's deception with the prostitute, Sanji can regain his identity, knowing that the tech isn't controlling him. He is in control.
And there you have it. Sanji finally accepts everything Judge gave him, and combines it with his own will to surpass his engineering and become stronger than Judge could've ever imagined.
This is when the fight against Queen ends. When Sanji finally integrates his Germa lineage into his own identity. When he lets his flames burn as bright as his will and modified body can allow him.
Because there's a reason why Sanji's element is fire. Fire in OP represents passion, represents will, ambition.
And Sanji now has outgrown his ego enough to one day accomplish what BM wanted to do:
Use Germa's science for good.
That's how Sanji will redeem his family's past. This is the path forward, using the product of centuries of experiments and eugenic ideology to help the future Pirate King liberate the world!
This is what you can't seem to comprehend. The raid suit was not just another power-up. It was a means to activate Sanji's genetic baggage, and therefore a jumpstart for his final character development, to get him where he needs to be by EOS: Vinsmoke Sanji, proud Germa leader, and left wing of the PK.
The genes, the suit, the exoskeleton are just half of the equation. The heart is the other half.
While the former half has carried much of the narrative from WCI until Wano, in Egghead Oda started focusing again (because that's always been Sanji's core identity trait) on his passions.
Which is why, in an arc in which the greatest scientist in the world acknowledges the existence of the soul, in an arc in which a cyborg ignores his death switch to save his daughter, in an arc in which a clone overwrites her orders because of the love that her original self proved for Luffy, Sanji starts blabbering about the Power of Love.
Being an augmented human is no longer a problem for him.
Being a Germa product is no longer a problem.
Sanji has overcome his identity crisis. He can now go back to being himself, back to expressing his passions.
That's Sanji's future: tech + love
That's what makes the perfect augmented human. And that's why the siblings are Judge's failures, and not Sanji. Because Judge removed their emotions, effectively neutering half of their potential.
EOS, Sanji will push his genes and his passions to the max, showing the entire world what the Germa lineage is capable of. It's not a coincidence that Germa's eagle emblem resembles Black Stealth's hairstyle.
During the Final War, there will be those countries who will follow Luffy because he's helped them (Alabasta, Drum, Amazon Lily, FMI, etc.) and those others who are tied to a specific Strawhat.
And then there will be Germa, which will show up under the pretext of claiming back their territory, but in reality they'll be there for Sanji, and Sanji will once more get out of his way to save them and even lead them, because Sanji won't hold onto the grudge anymore.
Warrior of Science Sanji is inevitable, though that could only be half of it. I wouldn't be surprised if Oda makes him a Warrior of Science and Love to prove his point that science can improve human lives, but it is only a crutch when divorced from the emotional side of man.
You don't need to use Bonney as an example since, technically, DF users are enhanced humans--or at the very least, all zoans, logias, and the paramecias who change your body. DFs are technology, not magic. That's why VP can replicate them. And they do enhance a baseline human, which is why, again, VP describes them as potential human evolutions and why the one who eats a specific fruit is called a "x man", rubber-man, fire-man, string-man, etc. The DF adds something more to the human biology.
IMO, current Nika's sword and shield are allegorical.
Zoro is Luffy's sword.
Sanji is Luffy's shield.
EOS, this will become clear, as Zoro achieves the greatest attack power in the series (thus gaining the WSS title), while Sanji develops his exoskeleton to an almost unpenetrable level, far surpassing the Lunarians (which are currently the characters with the best defense in the series, and to whom Sanji has been compared twice by Queen).
So, quick recap.
Judge used Sanji to gain an alliance with BM, because that's the only use he can think of for his one useless son. But then BM betrays them. As the Vinsmokes are about to be killed, Reiju tells us that she started to hate less her family name since she learned that Sanji grew up to be a kind person.
This already sets the stage for the siblings to side with Sanji EOS over Judge's ideology.
Then, Sanji saves his family and, when asked why by Judge, he explains that Luffy wouldn't want his crewmates to be petty and stuck in past grudges.
Sanji also claims that the Vinsmoke version of him is already dead, but this is the beginning of him accepting his family ties.
Later on, Judge declares in front of Luffy how much of a failure Sanji is, but Luffy can only see everything Judge is critiquing as Sanji's strengths. This starts changing Sanji's own self-worth.
At this point, Sanji is still a tsundere towards the Vinsmokes and after revealing that he was given a raid suit by his brother, he claims that he'll never use such cheap tricks as "science".
Sanji's view is immature, and the SHs tell him so. On the one hand, Luffy and Chopper are hyped by the possibilities within the suit, while on the other Nami teaches Sanji to accept that science can do wonderful things.
This begins changing Sanji's opinion. Against Page One, he puts aside his pride to be as helpful as possible. He still rejects the Germa heritage, but the suit's pervy abilities already seduce him.
He even admits that his father's science has revitalized his dream!
And the fictional myth of Sora is immediately mentioned!
Then, just as Sanji was getting cozy to the idea of becoming "Stealth Black", in a chapter titled "Warrior of Science" (how much obvious can this be?), after being tricked by Queen into thinking that the raid is turning him into someone who'd hurt a woman, Sanji destroys the suit, not wanting to become controlled by Judge's tech.
Once more he rejects Germa, yet he is aware that his enhancements have been awakened and he'll never be the same again.
Enhancements that include durability, healing, super strength, and an icy heart. But Sanji doesn't have an icy heart. That's what sets him apart from his siblings. Now, after the raid suit has activated his genes, Sanji has everything his siblings have, and more--he maintained his humanity. His heart. His soul. His passions. That's what puts him above Judge's "successful" creations.
Queen wants to show the superiority of his technology over Judge's (because the siblings are still tech: they are genetic modifications, but they're still manmade improvements to the human biological baseline), which is when Sanji's heart changes once more. Having realized Queen's deception with the prostitute, Sanji can regain his identity, knowing that the tech isn't controlling him. He is in control.
And there you have it. Sanji finally accepts everything Judge gave him, and combines it with his own will to surpass his engineering and become stronger than Judge could've ever imagined.
This is when the fight against Queen ends. When Sanji finally integrates his Germa lineage into his own identity. When he lets his flames burn as bright as his will and modified body can allow him.
Because there's a reason why Sanji's element is fire. Fire in OP represents passion, represents will, ambition.
And Sanji now has outgrown his ego enough to one day accomplish what BM wanted to do:
Use Germa's science for good.
That's how Sanji will redeem his family's past. This is the path forward, using the product of centuries of experiments and eugenic ideology to help the future Pirate King liberate the world!
This is what you can't seem to comprehend. The raid suit was not just another power-up. It was a means to activate Sanji's genetic baggage, and therefore a jumpstart for his final character development, to get him where he needs to be by EOS: Vinsmoke Sanji, proud Germa leader, and left wing of the PK.
The genes, the suit, the exoskeleton are just half of the equation. The heart is the other half.
While the former half has carried much of the narrative from WCI until Wano, in Egghead Oda started focusing again (because that's always been Sanji's core identity trait) on his passions.
Which is why, in an arc in which the greatest scientist in the world acknowledges the existence of the soul, in an arc in which a cyborg ignores his death switch to save his daughter, in an arc in which a clone overwrites her orders because of the love that her original self proved for Luffy, Sanji starts blabbering about the Power of Love.
Being an augmented human is no longer a problem for him.
Being a Germa product is no longer a problem.
Sanji has overcome his identity crisis. He can now go back to being himself, back to expressing his passions.
That's Sanji's future: tech + love
That's what makes the perfect augmented human. And that's why the siblings are Judge's failures, and not Sanji. Because Judge removed their emotions, effectively neutering half of their potential.
EOS, Sanji will push his genes and his passions to the max, showing the entire world what the Germa lineage is capable of. It's not a coincidence that Germa's eagle emblem resembles Black Stealth's hairstyle.
During the Final War, there will be those countries who will follow Luffy because he's helped them (Alabasta, Drum, Amazon Lily, FMI, etc.) and those others who are tied to a specific Strawhat.
And then there will be Germa, which will show up under the pretext of claiming back their territory, but in reality they'll be there for Sanji, and Sanji will once more get out of his way to save them and even lead them, because Sanji won't hold onto the grudge anymore.
Warrior of Science Sanji is inevitable, though that could only be half of it. I wouldn't be surprised if Oda makes him a Warrior of Science and Love to prove his point that science can improve human lives, but it is only a crutch when divorced from the emotional side of man.
You don't need to use Bonney as an example since, technically, DF users are enhanced humans--or at the very least, all zoans, logias, and the paramecias who change your body. DFs are technology, not magic. That's why VP can replicate them. And they do enhance a baseline human, which is why, again, VP describes them as potential human evolutions and why the one who eats a specific fruit is called a "x man", rubber-man, fire-man, string-man, etc. The DF adds something more to the human biology.
IMO, current Nika's sword and shield are allegorical.
Zoro is Luffy's sword.
Sanji is Luffy's shield.
EOS, this will become clear, as Zoro achieves the greatest attack power in the series (thus gaining the WSS title), while Sanji develops his exoskeleton to an almost unpenetrable level, far surpassing the Lunarians (which are currently the characters with the best defense in the series, and to whom Sanji has been compared twice by Queen).
But I am the one not payi g atrention to the story.
xD