Future Events Zoro won't fight Killingham

Zoro's matchup in Elbaf

  • Shamrock

  • Killingham

  • Sommers

  • Dorry and Brogy

  • Another HK

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Arcada

Arcada

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Title says it all, here's my breakdown:

1st point: Nearly every arc where Zoro and Sanji both get their 1v1 fights, Zoro always ends up against the swordsman. That's been the rule nearly since forever. Killingham and Sommers are both shown not to be swordsmen

2nd point: Sanji vs Sommers is clearly positioned as a stepping stone matchup ( gourmet side, the twisted "love" theme, hypetool just like sanji..) which is also a reason why Killingham won’t be Zoro’s 1v1 opponent. Unlike any past zoro nd sanji matchups where their opponents never coordinated, communicated, or acted as a team.. Sommers nd Killingham literally work in sync. That kind of direct teamwork never happened before with their opponents

3rd point: the most important point: I think Usopp the one who gonna defeat Killingham.

Killingham's power manifests dreams/nightmares into reality. This ties perfectly to Usopp, the SH most cowardly member, whose arc is all about overcoming fear to become a brave warrior of the sea..I'm not saying Usopp beats him in a 1v1 fight. But at the end, it will be Usopp who defeats him and frees Elbaf from the monsters created by Killingham. That moment is what leads to Usopp being considered a true warrior and the saviour of Elbaf and getting his recognition across the entire nation...

Now as for who gonna fight Zoro: My bet is it'll be either Shamrock who's a sword-focused HK or another HK summoned later hopefully someone from the Ethanbaron family to mirror how Sommers is connected to Shepherd
 
ヴィハーン

ヴィハーン

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#2
#2
Arcada said:
1st point: Nearly every arc where Zoro and Sanji both get their 1v1 fights, Zoro always ends up against the swordsman. That's been the rule nearly since forever. Killingham and Sommers are both shown not to be swordsmen
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First point is kind of wrong. But overall I agree.
Egghead itself has only Zoro and Luffy fight no sanji 1v1. And Zoro fought Lucci who isn't a swordsman.

As for who he might fight, It would be nice like you said shamrock may comeback, but I don't think so that's a possiblity.

So, 1v2 Dorry and Broggy. Is the only Viable option i can see. Or maybe 1v3 against Imu/Gunko. Zoro has a history of clashing/fighting main Antagonist of the arc.
 
soupongo

soupongo

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#4
This just seems to like wishcasting to me, no offense.

wrt to Zoro only fighting swordsman in major arcs, we know that isn´ true since Daz bones? And as for Sommers and Killingham getting along,idk maybe Oda just wanted to avoid that dynamic and instead focus on them being cruel to civilians instead. Or maybe we haven´t really seen that dynamic yet, and Oda will touch on it in the next couple chapters? We know that Sommers enjoys messing with his comrades a bit, since he tried killing Shakky to spite Garling.

Arcada said:
3rd point: the most important point: I think Usopp the one who gonna defeat Killingham.

Killingham's power manifests dreams/nightmares into reality. This ties perfectly to Usopp, the SH most cowardly member, whose arc is all about overcoming fear to become a brave warrior of the sea..I'm not saying Usopp beats him in a 1v1 fight. But at the end, it will be Usopp who defeats him and frees Elbaf from the monsters created by Killingham. That moment is what leads to Usopp being considered a true warrior and the saviour of Elbaf and getting his recognition across the entire nation...
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This is just silly. One member of the Gods Knights already low diffed most of the weakhats and Jinbei. Can Usopp maybe get a moment of standing up to Killingham? Sure, but the idea that he would actually fight and defeat him is less likely than ZKK. Usopp hasn´t beat any opponent in like a decade, and his first victory being against a Holy Knight would greatly diminish threat before we even start the final war.
Arcada said:
Now as for who gonna fight Zoro: My bet is it'll be either Shamrock who's a sword-focused HK or another HK summoned later hopefully someone from the Ethanbaron family to mirror how Sommers is connected to Shepherd
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Again, Shamrock already left the arc to go do something else. Why are people assuming he would return to Elbaf, while Mariejois is on fire? It objectively makes no sense. Shamrock leaving Elbaf, and then returning in what is realistically... maybe an hour in universe?

As for summoning anyone new, Imu could have done that when he arrived on Elbaf before the flashback. We aren´t at the point in the arc where Oda is going to introduce a new secret antagonist, after Imu has already arrived. And if there was really some Sommers rival from the HK, we could have simply seen them in the GV flashback, but we didn´t.
 
Arcada

Arcada

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ヴィハーン said:
First point is kind of wrong. But overall I agree.
Egghead itself has only Zoro and Luffy fight no sanji 1v1. And Zoro fought Lucci who isn't a swordsman.

As for who he might fight, It would be nice like you said shamrock may comeback, but I don't think so that's a possiblity.

So, 1v2 Dorry and Broggy. Is the only Viable option i can see. Or maybe 1v3 against Imu/Gunko. Zoro has a history of clashing/fighting main Antagonist of the arc.
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I meant in arcs where both Zoro and Sanji get dedicated 1v1 fights (like Enies lobby, Alabasta, or Wano), Zoro always faces the swordsman. A 1v3 clash against Imu/Gunko could happen like the rooftop but I don't see Zoro staying in it for the full fight. Oda's usual pattern is that when Sanji gets a 1v1, Zoro gets one too..
 
soupongo

soupongo

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#12
Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
Unless Hajrudin is fighting Dorry or Brogy there's no reason to assume that Zoro and Sanji are fighting Sommers and Killingham.
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One are an active group of villains with powers and personalities, and the others are mindless rampaging monsters that aren´t actually evil. Hm, I wonder which one is going to end up being arc fights for the main cast?
 
Arcada

Arcada

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#16
#16
soupongo said:
This just seems to like wishcasting to me, no offense.

wrt to Zoro only fighting swordsman in major arcs, we know that isn´ true since Daz bones? And as for Sommers and Killingham getting along,idk maybe Oda just wanted to avoid that dynamic and instead focus on them being cruel to civilians instead. Or maybe we haven´t really seen that dynamic yet, and Oda will touch on it in the next couple chapters? We know that Sommers enjoys messing with his comrades a bit, since he tried killing Shakky to spite Garling.
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Fair counter , but Zoro mainly fights who use swords or at least lets say characters whose main abilities involve cutting and sending slashes but neither of Sommers nor Killingham fit that at all.As for Oda possibly changing a dynamic that he never changed its what feels like wishcasting... We’ve literally seen Sommers and Killingham act as a team, that kind of coordination almost never happens with Zoro/Sanji opponents...
soupongo said:
This is just silly. One member of the Gods Knights already low diffed most of the weakhats and Jinbei. Can Usopp maybe get a moment of standing up to Killingham? Sure, but the idea that he would actually fight and defeat him is less likely than ZKK. Usopp hasn´t beat any opponent in like a decade, and his first victory being against a Holy Knight would greatly diminish threat before we even start the final war.
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If someone said back then that Usopp would beat Perona who toyed with the whole crew or Sugar , people including me would've said the same: "No way, he hasn't won a real fight in years, it'd make the threat look weak. , Yet he did both for his growth payoff". Killingham's fear powers are tailor made for Usopp's to overcome cowardice in Elbaf. It's not about powerscaling a hk down it's a thematic victory..
soupongo said:
Again, Shamrock already left the arc to go do something else. Why are people assuming he would return to Elbaf, while Mariejois is on fire? It objectively makes no sense. Shamrock leaving Elbaf, and then returning in what is realistically... maybe an hour in universe?

As for summoning anyone new, Imu could have done that when he arrived on Elbaf before the flashback. We aren´t at the point in the arc where Oda is going to introduce a new secret antagonist, after Imu has already arrived. And if there was really some Sommers rival from the HK, we could have simply seen them in the GV flashback, but we didn´t.
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Imo having only 3 villains against the whole SH and elbaf feels anticlimactic with so many protagonists involved. Oda doesn't strictly follow "realistic" timing in the verse he kinda prioritizes story beats over strict logic.. Objectively, Imu focusing on Elbaf while Mariejois burns is what make no sense lol..Shamrock's last words lets make a game out of Elbaf imo a sign for him to return and with Abyssal Mark summoning powers shown, reinforcements or Shamrock returning isn't impossible even if not guaranteed.
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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
Zoro and Sanji vs Dorry and Brogy
Usopp vs Killingham
Robin vs Sommers
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Imo sanji vs. Sommers feels pretty much set in stone.As for Dorry and Brogy, I think it's similar to the Onigashima Ice Plague plot ,just a quick tension spike that gets resolved fast. Could be wrong, tho
 
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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

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#17
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Arcada said:
Fair counter , but Zoro mainly fights who use swords or at least lets say characters whose main abilities involve cutting and sending slashes but neither of Sommers nor Killingham fit that at all.As for Oda possibly changing a dynamic that he never changed its what feels like wishcasting... We’ve literally seen Sommers and Killingham act as a team, that kind of coordination almost never happens with Zoro/Sanji opponents...

If someone said back then that Usopp would beat Perona who toyed with the whole crew or Sugar , people including me would've said the same: "No way, he hasn't won a real fight in years, it'd make the threat look weak. , Yet he did both for his growth payoff". Killingham's fear powers are tailor made for Usopp's to overcome cowardice in Elbaf. It's not about powerscaling a hk down it's a thematic victory..

Imo having only 3 villains against the whole SH and elbaf feels anticlimactic with so many protagonists involved. Oda doesn't strictly follow "realistic" timing in the verse he kinda prioritizes story beats over strict logic.. Objectively, Imu focusing on Elbaf while Mariejois burns is what make no sense lol..Shamrock's last words lets make a game out of Elbaf imo a sign for him to return and with Abyssal Mark summoning powers shown, reinforcements or Shamrock returning isn't impossible even if not guaranteed.
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Imo sanji vs. Sommers feels pretty much set in stone.As for Dorry and Brogy, I think it's similar to the Onigashima Ice Plague plot ,just a quick tension spike that gets resolved fast. Could be wrong, tho
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You can't stop a domi reversi victim unless you beat them up or maybe use Nika hax
 
Loki D. Terror

Loki D. Terror

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FutureWarrior123 said:
Usopp vs Killingham could play out similarly to Perona fight. People getting too caught in power scaling here.

I don’t think he outright beats him but he could find a way to undo the nightmare creatures on Elbaf.
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Kiillingham is a mythical zoan user. It will be usopp over if they have a direct fight. And usopp has no counter to regen either.
 
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