Future Events Zoro won't fight Killingham
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I don´t think it´s that deep either way, imo we either have a situation where:
1. Oda doesn´t want the HK to bicker in the same way that past pirate crews would. These guys are just completely different, they aren´t competing for positions in the same way, they´re just trying to keep the *poors* and lower world people down. Of course you have cp0 as an exception, but those guys may not be pirates, but they´re not celestial dragons. In a similar way, despite any disagreements they had, the admirals will generally work together, or at least the OG 3, without too many issues(I mean in the context of a marineford war, obviously Sakazuki and Kuzan had their problems settled later, off screen)
2. If Oda wants to maintain this dynamic, we´ll see it in upcoming chapters. Elbaf is a pretty loaded arc with, Loki stuff, the flashback, Gaban stuff, the VC stuff, Imu etc etc, Oda might have just not felt like he had the time to focus on this dynamic yet, and could start now that things are clearing up a bit in the story.
True, but in that case, Gods Knights are going to remain an antagonistic group until the end of the series. Being the lackey of Moria or Doffy doesn´t have the same prestige to it. It would be a bit off an odd situation if Killingham had no powers beyond his DF, he should have at least basic haki. These guys are expected to subjugate entire countries, and were acknowledged by Dragon as a threat. I´d be skepticial that we´d see Usopp defeat one, especially before the final war, but I don´t want to spend too much time on this, we can agree to disagree, I guess.
Well, one of those three villains is Imu,who we did just see neg diff Rocks, and easily avoid the attacks from Roger, Rocks, Garp, Whitebeard, Big Mom and Kaido. That will be enough of a challenge for the SHP on there own. It´s possible the problem gets solved quickly, but you do also have Domni reversed giants, who are enough to be a big threat to the island as well.
Sure, but can you think of another situation like this? A character leaving right after being introduced in an arc, then returning at the very end for the climax to fight the Strawhats. It would be like if Kizaru left Marineford, only to return and fight Marco at the very end, it would just be bizarre all around. And it gets weirder if you consider the idea that Imu joining the fray wouldn´t be the last entrance of a villain in the arc, it would be.... Shamrock?
I think the fact that Shamrock left 5 mins after being introduced makes it clear, Oda just wanted to clear up some stuff about Shanks this arc, so he brought Shamrock to explain that Shamrock is the one who reported to the Gorosei, so Oda just wanted to debunk the evil Shanks theories. Similarly, Garling was introduced at Egghead island, but he never actually was summoned to help the Gorosei fight the SHP. Imo, Oda is just rushing a lot of things so he could potentially end the manga soon, and Shanks info is something he wants to get done before Shanks dies/loses.
1. Oda doesn´t want the HK to bicker in the same way that past pirate crews would. These guys are just completely different, they aren´t competing for positions in the same way, they´re just trying to keep the *poors* and lower world people down. Of course you have cp0 as an exception, but those guys may not be pirates, but they´re not celestial dragons. In a similar way, despite any disagreements they had, the admirals will generally work together, or at least the OG 3, without too many issues(I mean in the context of a marineford war, obviously Sakazuki and Kuzan had their problems settled later, off screen)
2. If Oda wants to maintain this dynamic, we´ll see it in upcoming chapters. Elbaf is a pretty loaded arc with, Loki stuff, the flashback, Gaban stuff, the VC stuff, Imu etc etc, Oda might have just not felt like he had the time to focus on this dynamic yet, and could start now that things are clearing up a bit in the story.
True, but in that case, Gods Knights are going to remain an antagonistic group until the end of the series. Being the lackey of Moria or Doffy doesn´t have the same prestige to it. It would be a bit off an odd situation if Killingham had no powers beyond his DF, he should have at least basic haki. These guys are expected to subjugate entire countries, and were acknowledged by Dragon as a threat. I´d be skepticial that we´d see Usopp defeat one, especially before the final war, but I don´t want to spend too much time on this, we can agree to disagree, I guess.
Well, one of those three villains is Imu,who we did just see neg diff Rocks, and easily avoid the attacks from Roger, Rocks, Garp, Whitebeard, Big Mom and Kaido. That will be enough of a challenge for the SHP on there own. It´s possible the problem gets solved quickly, but you do also have Domni reversed giants, who are enough to be a big threat to the island as well.
Sure, but can you think of another situation like this? A character leaving right after being introduced in an arc, then returning at the very end for the climax to fight the Strawhats. It would be like if Kizaru left Marineford, only to return and fight Marco at the very end, it would just be bizarre all around. And it gets weirder if you consider the idea that Imu joining the fray wouldn´t be the last entrance of a villain in the arc, it would be.... Shamrock?
I think the fact that Shamrock left 5 mins after being introduced makes it clear, Oda just wanted to clear up some stuff about Shanks this arc, so he brought Shamrock to explain that Shamrock is the one who reported to the Gorosei, so Oda just wanted to debunk the evil Shanks theories. Similarly, Garling was introduced at Egghead island, but he never actually was summoned to help the Gorosei fight the SHP. Imo, Oda is just rushing a lot of things so he could potentially end the manga soon, and Shanks info is something he wants to get done before Shanks dies/loses.
Zoro doesn't always fight a swordsman but if there is a swordsman he is for Zoro.
For now, only people who have CoC can hurt them so Luffy, Zoro and Loki.
Oda will find something for Sanji. Unless Ussop unlocks Coc, he can't handle Killigham.
Sanji vs Sommers is 99% sure.
Zoro vs Killingham makes sense tho, he can materialize nightmares and soloing rn the entire Elbaf, has a mythical zoan (a dragon), and uses a weapon so can protect himself against swords. He doesn't give the vibe of King/Kaido for example but he is strong to me.
For now, only people who have CoC can hurt them so Luffy, Zoro and Loki.
Oda will find something for Sanji. Unless Ussop unlocks Coc, he can't handle Killigham.
Sanji vs Sommers is 99% sure.
Zoro vs Killingham makes sense tho, he can materialize nightmares and soloing rn the entire Elbaf, has a mythical zoan (a dragon), and uses a weapon so can protect himself against swords. He doesn't give the vibe of King/Kaido for example but he is strong to me.
The big issue here is that Sanji does feel like a perfect foil to Sommers...but does he really have Conqueror's Haki?
And neither he nor Killingham really feel like they would be that much of a match for Loki, and it feels more like he and Luffy will confront Imu anyway.
So, if Sanji *does* have it, he and Zoro can handle the two HK, and I guess Hajrudin and his crew hold back Dorry and Brogy?
And neither he nor Killingham really feel like they would be that much of a match for Loki, and it feels more like he and Luffy will confront Imu anyway.
So, if Sanji *does* have it, he and Zoro can handle the two HK, and I guess Hajrudin and his crew hold back Dorry and Brogy?
I like how Zoro rarely actually fights a swordsman. Cabaji, Nyaban bros, Daz, Ohm, Monet, Pica, King, Lucci. That's like 70% of his opponents.
Killingham would honestly be a better matchup if he had an interesting character or powers oriented to direct combat. That pitchfork and his toughness are probably good enough but still.
Sommers doesn't need to be taken out necessarily, so Sanji still works.
Killingham would honestly be a better matchup if he had an interesting character or powers oriented to direct combat. That pitchfork and his toughness are probably good enough but still.
Sommers doesn't need to be taken out necessarily, so Sanji still works.
That is a lie, King and Queen were a team and fought together against multiple foes, they don't need to be best friends tho
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Two options for Zoro: Fights Dorry and Broggy alongside Hajrudin and other giants while Sanji and Gaban deal with Sommers and Killingham. Or he fights Killingham while Sanji fights Gaban.
Killingham just threw a giant to the ground like nothing, he is clearly more than a guy who just summons stuff
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Two options for Zoro: Fights Dorry and Broggy alongside Hajrudin and other giants while Sanji and Gaban deal with Sommers and Killingham. Or he fights Killingham while Sanji fights Gaban.
Killingham just threw a giant to the ground like nothing, he is clearly more than a guy who just summons stuff
As i said, if King intended to actually get rid of Queen, he would, or perhaps he tried but couldn’t do it. And btw the Beast Pirates are a terrible example because they don't have loyalty to their crewmates, it's all about power and ranks, but even then we can see King and Queen working together many times despite all their bickering due to different personalities just like Sanji and Zoro. Kaku and Jabra also didn’t hate each other, Jabra just enjoyed making fun of his DF, it is even implied that Jabra actually had constant arguments/fights with Lucci, not Kaku
I wouldn't put it past Oda to give Zoro multiple fights again like Wano (Hawkins, Killer, fodder, one shot Apoo, Big Mom and Kaido confrontation, capping off 1v1 King). This arc I could see Zoro handle Dorry & Broggy as warm up, then fight Killingham.
At the end of the day, Zoro is mainly about fights and he does get a solid amount more than the other Strawhats. Not to mention he is a vanguard who jumps into the frey first so multiple fights seem fair.
At the end of the day, Zoro is mainly about fights and he does get a solid amount more than the other Strawhats. Not to mention he is a vanguard who jumps into the frey first so multiple fights seem fair.
I can't remember an arc where Zoro didn't fight so its highly likely he will fight. While I agree it doesn't necessarily have to be Killingham, at the moment very few others make sense so Killingham is at the very top of possible matchups.
1
Killingham (possible)
Summers (possible)
2
DR Dorry & Brogy (possible but only for stalling/reverse them back)
3
Gunko/Imu (less likely unless a team attack like in God Valley)
DR Sanji (has not occurred yet)
New Character (no one there yet)
1
Killingham (possible)
Summers (possible)
2
DR Dorry & Brogy (possible but only for stalling/reverse them back)
3
Gunko/Imu (less likely unless a team attack like in God Valley)
DR Sanji (has not occurred yet)
New Character (no one there yet)