Powers & Abilities New Goalpost for Zoro?

King is hyped more by the fact that he's got a higher bounty of the guy that's known for creating chemical mass destruction weapons. He's more a threat because of his science than his actual powers. Meanwhile king is seen as a threat for being a lunarian. And he has his zoan on top of it.

Couldn't find it so quickly since Google is shit nowadays but Queen was actually hyping King himself while fighting Sanji.

Also feel free to create a scenario where queen beats king (which he cannot bc BP are building hierarchy on strength)
Both have 1.3 billion bounties. And queens bounty has nothing to do with the WMDs as Caesar makes those and his bounty is also 300 million

Queen was giving background information on king and why Zoro had no chance of victory. Same thing he did about himself and why Sanji had no chance of victory earlier that fight.

King and queen are right and left hands which at this point, it’s clear Oda holds that to similar levels
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> getting jumped by King and Queen
But King being 90% of the actual threat bc he's indestructible and Queen is a oneshot character proven twice
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Queen stopped fighting when went after the live floor then fought chopper for half an hour and then fought sanji.
In this time king beat the shit out of marco.
convenient that you ignored the other stuff i wrote

marco was doing a lot more stuff that exhausted him

Kata has shit coa to zoro who couldnt hurt flame off king.
zoro attacked flame off king what like 5 times before acoc? Kata fought hours and hours. He can just win the battle of attrition and slowly chip away at king
 
Both have 1.3 billion bounties. And queens bounty has nothing to do with the WMDs as Caesar makes those and his bounty is also 300 million

Queen was giving background information on king and why Zoro had no chance of victory. Same thing he did about himself and why Sanji had no chance of victory earlier that fight.

King and queen are right and left hands which at this point, it’s clear Oda holds that to similar levels
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Feel free to believe what makes you happy mate :BigW:
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convenient that you ignored the other stuff i wrote
You're writing a lot mate :kayneshrug:
 
Caesar's bounty was because of his science acumen, lol. We don't know anything about Queen's bounty but considering that the nature was 100% offensive, it's safe to say this had an effect that his strength or status wouldn't otherwise.
Caesar was literally a known creator and seller of WMDs and even blew up a WG island

Queens bounty is purely strength based as Marco mentioned it as such.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
convenient that you ignored the other stuff i wrote

marco was doing a lot more stuff that exhausted him


zoro attacked flame off king what like 5 times before acoc? Kata fought hours and hours. He can just win the battle of attrition and slowly chip away at king
King was taking acoc attacks.
Kata lost to 13 powder puff luffy hits.

Theres a huge gap between king and kata

The guy king was ragdolling did better vs hybrid kaido than the guy who beat kata did against base kaido.
 
King was taking acoc attacks.
Kata lost to 13 powder puff luffy hits.
king took 2 acoc attacks and decided to turn off his flame like a retard

kata fought condom for hours
Theres a huge gap between king and kata
yeah in favor of kata lol

df
kata - awakened king - rudimentary usage

haki
kata - fs and stronger hardening. basis coc king - basic coa and coo. no impressive haki showings at all

endurance
kata - can fight for hours king - got beaten in like an hour
kata - fought for hours after a huge hole in his stomach king - gave up scared right after he started getting hurt

intelligence
kata - average or above average king - straight up retarded enough to throw away his only advantage in a fight willingly and get fucked

speed
kata - can react and fight snake man easily king - needs to turn off his durability hax to get speed that's still below snake man

durability
kata - standard commander level dura king - arguably the best dura in series but with huge caveats




So yeah. King is above kata in exactly one stat. And that stat is useless against kata cause king will have to turn off the flame to use speed mode to have even a slight hope of hitting kata through his superior speed and fs.

The guy king was ragdolling did better vs hybrid kaido than the guy who beat kata did against base kaido.
king was only ragdolling zoro because of the flame mode hax. King won't be able to hit kata at all in flame mode.
 
king took 2 acoc attacks and decided to turn off his flame like a retard

kata fought condom for hours

yeah in favor of kata lol

df
kata - awakened king - rudimentary usage

haki
kata - fs and stronger hardening. basis coc king - basic coa and coo. no impressive haki showings at all

endurance
kata - can fight for hours king - got beaten in like an hour
kata - fought for hours after a huge hole in his stomach king - gave up scared right after he started getting hurt

intelligence
kata - average or above average king - straight up retarded enough to throw away his only advantage in a fight willingly and get fucked

speed
kata - can react and fight snake man easily king - needs to turn off his durability hax to get speed that's still below snake man

durability
kata - standard commander level dura king - arguably the best dura in series but with huge caveats




So yeah. King is above kata in exactly one stat. And that stat is useless against kata cause king will have to turn off the flame to use speed mode to have even a slight hope of hitting kata through his superior speed and fs.


king was only ragdolling zoro because of the flame mode hax. King won't be able to hit kata at all in flame mode.
King has magma like fire so better AP as well.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
king took 2 acoc attacks and decided to turn off his flame like a retard

kata fought condom for hours

yeah in favor of kata lol

df
kata - awakened king - rudimentary usage

haki
kata - fs and stronger hardening. basis coc king - basic coa and coo. no impressive haki showings at all

endurance
kata - can fight for hours king - got beaten in like an hour
kata - fought for hours after a huge hole in his stomach king - gave up scared right after he started getting hurt

intelligence
kata - average or above average king - straight up retarded enough to throw away his only advantage in a fight willingly and get fucked

speed
kata - can react and fight snake man easily king - needs to turn off his durability hax to get speed that's still below snake man

durability
kata - standard commander level dura king - arguably the best dura in series but with huge caveats




So yeah. King is above kata in exactly one stat. And that stat is useless against kata cause king will have to turn off the flame to use speed mode to have even a slight hope of hitting kata through his superior speed and fs.


king was only ragdolling zoro because of the flame mode hax. King won't be able to hit kata at all in flame mode.
Because king was taking attacks that SHIT on what kata was taking.

Luffy beat kata and got ONE SHOT by base kaido

Zoro got feats vs hybrid kaido and got ragdolled by king

King is tiers above kata
 
True. Surely Marco mid fighting queen can’t gauge his power level and we should take headcanon assumptions over it because muh agenda
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Post a panel where Marco implies that his strength outweighs his utility, or that his reputation/nickname is a misnomer.

Or a cover story where his strength takes value over MADS. Or Kaido praising his strength, or King saying "your friend will never beat that guy."
 
Post a panel where Marco implies that his strength outweighs his utility, or that his reputation/nickname is a misnomer.

Or a cover story where his strength takes value over MADS. Or Kaido praising his strength, or King saying "your friend will never beat that guy."
Marco equating Queen and Kings strength to their current bounties is enough.

Also his Bounty poster says Queen not Scien because the WG doesn’t know they’re the same.
 
The fact that he won't have a prolonged fight with a top tier by himself, a fight like Luffy vs Kizaru, Zoro vs Lucci. He didn't have this on the roof, nor did he have this on Egghead where there were 6 top tiers present. 6 of em. And Oda gave us a single clash. So yea Oda is clearly uncomfortable with it, as it has never happened in the manga.


This is inherently contradictory. Lucci is not a sufficient stalling opponent for a true top tier. Canonically, Zoro’s fight with Lucci dragged on longer than the Straw Hats could afford, to the point where Jinbe had to step in, on Nami’s orders, to pull Zoro back to the group.


My cutoff for top tier is being able to give Big Mom or Old Legends an extreme diff battle in a 1v1, nothing even slightly below this.


King is not an exception for a YC1. You can place him at the top but Katakuri and Marco are not getting ragdolled by King like Zoro was. Marco was the one ragdolling King when they were fighting on panel for a reason even in a 1v2, Katakuri is basically invulnerable when his FS is active in combination with his DF.
Oda gave each of the 3 YC1 nigh invulnerability. With Marco it's through his df and then linked to his stamina, with Katakuri it's through haki and then linked to his stamina, with King it's through his genes and linked to (god knows what) his flames. When all 3 characters have their invulnerable modes activated they are very close to invincible. You can argue one is more invincible over the other (depending on the situation).
In the time limited situation Zoro was in he was going to struggle equally as much against either of Marco or Katakuri.


The point was that rooftop Zoro was being placed above YC1s, based on his rooftop performance, and people thought King would be a waste of his time...only to be hit with a dose of reality.

This time, people aren’t putting Zoro above top tiers, just on the same level as them so the comparison naturally scales down. And unlike the massive gap between top tiers and everyone below them, the gap between YC1 and YC2 is much smaller, so Zoro being around YC1 lvl on the roof only strengthens my stance, because he "looked" like he was much stronger than YC1 which turned out false. 1v1s are a different beast.


Given the overlap in their toolkits (no DF, lethal weapons, ACoC, elite in CQC, solid ranged attacks, not lacking in speed with a clear edge to Gaban in mobility) lacking Future Sight becomes a serious disadvantage for Zoro and gives Gaban a significant edge. I wouldn’t be surprised if Future Sight ends up being standard for every DF-less top tier, effectively becoming the baseline form of observation haki at that level because with similar toolkits it ends up giving far too big of an advantage to the FS user.


Zoro's last major fight he nearly got killed by his own sword taking out King, who was quite literally proven to be trash to a top tier in Aramaki. There isn't enough on Zoro rn, did he get stronger? Sure....how much stronger remains to be seen. And there is a heck of a lot of ground to cover given Aramaki can defeat someone like King without breaking a single sweat.





Lunarians cannot be damaged with flames on, Luffy and Kaku were in the same boat far as damaging them goes.
Oh So top tier Luffy was struggling with a baby Lunrian heh
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" and without any sign of exhaustion " bro barely did anything.

I still need to see that Zoro can wield enma as well as Oden, if all that was just for zoro to be comfortable with it by mid elbaph that seems so lame honestly

So he's > Oden in every way right now?, I don't think so, I think he needs to be able to consciously use his coc haki, so he can be efficient with it.

That could be solved this arc, if Zoro isn't a top tier post elbaph then that would be lame as well.
Wtf are you talking about? Since when has Zoro ever struggled with a sword after the initial arc of having trouble with it? Zoro might never mention struggling with Enma ever again just like his other swords.
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Funny how oda made sure to never let king be hyped up more than Queen. Not even by Marco or the admiral that turned both into fertilizer
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Oda did let King be hype more than Queen. He gave him EMRHM status and had Quren hype him up you clown
 
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