Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1174 Spoilers Discussion

[sanjikun]

Loki is most likely even better defensively.

You don't need ACoC to gravely wound Loki, so no.

 

[Shiroyru]

So do you still think Loki is below Shanks after this chapter

Yes. He needs to awaken his fruit to surpass the Child of Destiny

 

[Doggo]

@soupongo Ngl Poseidon’s power always seemed kinda underwhelming for an Ancient Weapon. Sure, the combiner might of every Sea King in the world is pretty formidable, but it’s not like Shirahoshi can teleport them all to her location. Any top tier that wants to kill Poseidon could do so pretty easily since there’s only gonna be at beast a few dozen or so Sea Kings in the immediate vicinity of FMI, and it doesn’t help that fodders like Momonga can easily one shot Sea Kings. Uranus’s and Pluton’s ability to instantly vaporize islands is more impressive

Blud think Ancient Weapons are "1v1" characters.

 

[Dragon777]

I mean momonga killed a small seaking. There are those that are as large as islands themselves as we’ve seen.

The only people who’s ever been able to kill those were Dory and Brogy, 1.8 billion Berry legends And even they didn’t treat it as something small.

Someone who can control an army of those things is definitely worth being called a weapon on par with pluton.

And wait for the moment Poseidon gives orders to the thing in the Florian triangle.

 

[sanjikun]

I hope the end of your character development is realizing that the Knights of God on Elbaf are stronger than Doflamingo. We can drop the Loki>Kaido thing in the meanwhile.

Mate if HKs keep jobbing at this rate, Imu is going to make Doffy a HK and have Sommer's fodder ass server under him.

There will be an opening after Shamz becomes Supreme Commander after all.

 

[Shiroyru]

Blud think Ancient Weapons are "1v1" characters.

Any top tier would instantly get vaporized if Uranus or Pluton were used on them. Any top tier could plow through the Sea Kings defending Shirahoshi and kill her

 

[Levi]

I agree (even though short of Awakening we have seen everything). I think there are, idk, ten fruits above Kaido's, maybe.

It is a really strong fruit. No wonder Kaido was centered on that.

I’m just gonna wait and see what momo does with it in the finale war because rn luffy has an eastern and western dragon on his side now.

 

[soupongo]

"clearly"
Oh how people like to set themselves up for disappointment....

What´s even your disagreement lol? Imu is the dude cutting up the posters, and Luffy and Teach as leaders of pirate crews are obviously going to get the most focus story wise. Shirahoshi has the most ¨power¨ but she isn´t going to become as important as Luffy story wise.

 

[Dragon777]

You don't need ACoC to gravely wound Loki, so no.

Loki was completely chained in seastone, so not really comparable.
(It's not even true you need AdvCoC for Kaido either: that's simply the way Luffy went for)

Anyway, Loki Is going to take Imu's attacks. Something that would have made Kaido look like this:

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yes. He needs to awaken his fruit to surpass the Child of Destiny

I was gonna make a snide remark, but honestly, I just really admire how belligerent you are with your agendas. It takes real dedication to just refuse to admit you're wrong on powerscaling

 

[Dragon777]

I’m just gonna wait and see what momo does with it in the finale war because rn luffy has an eastern and western dragon on his side now.

Consider that Loki too is likely to awaken his.

 

[Zemlya]

I’m either gonna wake up to the rawest design in OP or face another week of disappointment

 

[Xione]

When Loki killed Harald. He questions it

And we know he "feels" or sees things given he saw Rocks and conversed with him, recognized Joyboy's Haki through the Gorosei's bodies, and was visually taking over Gunko's body.

So why he doesnt recognize Loki's power here is weird

I think the seals that Gunko and Gorosei have are higher degree.

We know Gunko is more special with Imu than the HKs as she was even "servicing" IMU 50 years ago.

HK Harald was more part was just emo Harald, simkar to how Venom turns Peter into an Emo in spiderman 3. Rather than full Imu taking over his body and appearing themselves through Harald as an avatar and having control over Haralds body. Imu has mental influence for the HKs.

So the feeling and what Imu sees is not the same as with the Gorosei and Gunko, since hes actually using them as Avatars.

 

[soupongo]

Mate if HKs keep jobbing at this rate, Imu is going to make Doffy a HK and have Sommer's fodder ass server under him.

There will be an opening after Shamz becomes Supreme Commander after all.

Has there been a single situation where the Gods Knights jobbed that Doffy wouldn´t have lol?

against Rocks D Xebec:
Doffy obviously loses as badly as Garling did, or even worse. Rocks has next level Haki, while Doffy´s Haki is borderline mediocre

Against Rayleigh, while Off guard:
Since he was off guard, he probably gets fucked up as well....

Against the entire Roger pirates:
This one is just obvious lol? Three top tiers, no one can beat that. Doffy ran away from Tsuru alone, and she´s never even been portrayed to Gaban level.

Old Gaban:
He was enraged and using ACOC, so obviously Doffy isn´t winning this. Him being ¨rusty¨ or whatever wouldn´t be super relevant in a short fight like this.

 

[Xione]

😂😂😂😭😭

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

😂😂😂😭😭

No matter how stupid people on here may think I am, I'm never going to be dumb enough to bet against Loki. Dude's literally top 4 in the verse right now

 

[Xione]

No matter how stupid people on here may think I am, I'm never going to be dumb enough to bet against Loki. Dude's literally top 4 in the verse right now

Standing 10-toes down on Mihawk beats Loki high-diff if not lower, at his current strength.

 

[Zoroe]

Mannn can't wait for the raws

 

[CbShadow]

Loki and Kaido are no more of a dragon than Kings flames lmfao. They are men who can take the appearance/properties of a dragon, and some of it´s abilities, but they´re literally not dragons, like how a logia or paramecia user does not literally become their element....

The editor comment is meaningless, it´s just a description of what happened at the end of the chapter and trying to make it sound cool. Yes, Zoro could literally kill dragons since PH, but they added the comment because he cut a ¨dragon¨ in that chapter because it sounds cool, they aren´t thinking deeply or significantly about the story at all, and the fact that they say something like ¨sanjis legs are burning hot¨ is just describing what happened in the chapter, and there´s nothing more interesting happening(as if Sanji couldn´t have burning hot legs since prior to that in the story anyway).


This is just an assumption, Loki was tied up to seastone and couldn´t defend himself, nor use his devil fruit at all. There´s literally no reason to believe any character in the series wouldn´t be injured in that situation, with the likes of Luffy nearly passing out from Seastone touching him at some point in the series.

King's flames is not a living creature. It just flames in shape of a dragon. Kaido and Loki actually turn into dragons, living creatures. There's a huge difference between the two. Logia do literally become their element.

People are making this out to be more difficult than it needs to be because they don't want to give Zoro the credit he deserves. Zoro fought Kaido, a dragon. Zoro fought a character who is harder to damage than Kaido, King. Zoro created a technique capable of defeating King. Put it together and you have a technique that is able to defeat dragons, like Kaido, with one swing. It's that simple.

Seastones weaken df uses but don't take away their df power. Luffy nearly passed out but his body didn't stop being rubber like.

 

[TheD.]

Consider that Loki too is likely to awaken his.

Loki not being awakened is a very scary thought

even I doubt It.