Controversial Who needs a power up the most

RiShin

RiShin

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#21
#21
I go with Smoker and Tashigi too.

Smoker could have gone on the path of fighting strong pirates, and we get a glimpse of these past pirates. Like these pirates were runners ups to be part of the warlords system or were former rivals of said warlord.

Meanwhile Tashigi should of gotten trained by an admiral candidate. It ridiculous that Coby and Helmeppo got these favoritism from Garp...
 
Cozy Sofa

Cozy Sofa

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#25
Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
I don't want to sound like a hater/nitpicker but is Lucci really YC1 when he performed worse than King did against Zoro?
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Yeah, he is. All about match ups.

- Lucci fought a stronger Zoro than King from the start and did reasonably well.

- King has a gimmick that took a lot of time to figure out. Even without it he is a very capable all around fighter. Swordsman almost on Zoros level + Martial Artist + Dinosaur DF + Flying + Fire + Invurneability + Experience + Size + Great Shape + Superspeed + Fought for a cause (Kaido as PK).

- Luffy offered to help Zoro, this is probably the only time it has happened in the series. This was after he dealt with Lucci himself and saw his level. I don't think Luffy would have allowed anyone else than Zoro to fight him, including Jinbei and Sanji.

- Even if you put Lucci as bottom tier YC1 I can't see him lose to Queen, Sanji, Jinbei or Smoothie. Jozu would be very tough due to bad match up and I believe Ace is very underrated so I don't see him winning that one either but yeah, dude is legit. And he has the personality to still grow even more.
 
Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

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#26
#26
Cozy Sofa said:
Yeah, he is. All about match ups.

- Lucci fought a stronger Zoro than King from the start and did reasonably well.

- King has a gimmick that took a lot of time to figure out. Even without it he is a very capable all around fighter. Swordsman almost on Zoros level + Martial Artist + Dinosaur DF + Flying + Fire + Invurneability + Experience + Size + Great Shape + Superspeed + Fought for a cause (Kaido as PK).

- Luffy offered to help Zoro, this is probably the only time it has happened in the series. This was after he dealt with Lucci himself and saw his level. I don't think Luffy would have allowed anyone else than Zoro to fight him, including Jinbei and Sanji.

- Even if you put Lucci as bottom tier YC1 I can't see him lose to Queen, Sanji, Jinbei or Smoothie. Jozu would be very tough due to bad match up and I believe Ace is very underrated so I don't see him winning that one either but yeah, dude is legit. And he has the personality to still grow even more.
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I don't know, the way he just got decimated in one hit like that was kind of disappointing, don't you think?
He went from about 80% health wise to 10% in just one blow. Comparing this to flame off King, who took an ACoA+ACoC attack point blank and wasn't too injured, Lucci does look a bit pitiful. Especially since he's an Awakened Zoan.
This isn't me trying to downplay him, he is still strong, but honestly if that's how he gets treated by basic G5 punches and one attack from Zoro that's probably not better than an Onigiri or Rengoku Onigiri, how is he going to withstand an Ifrit Jambe beatdown or Vagabond Drill?
 
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Dragon777

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#27
#27
RiShin said:
I go with Smoker and Tashigi too.

Smoker could have gone on the path of fighting strong pirates, and we get a glimpse of these past pirates. Like these pirates were runners ups to be part of the warlords system or were former rivals of said warlord.

Meanwhile Tashigi should of gotten trained by an admiral candidate. It ridiculous that Coby and Helmeppo got these favoritism from Garp...
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Tbf Smoker did have an instructor (even though his canonicity Is very grey). It was just way younger, as Koby is.
 
Cozy Sofa

Cozy Sofa

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#28
#28
Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
I don't know, the way he just got decimated in one hit like that was kind of disappointing, don't you think?
He went from about 80% health wise to 10% in just one blow. Comparing this to flame off King, who took an ACoA+ACoC attack point blank and wasn't too injured, Lucci does look a bit pitiful. Especially since he's an Awakened Zoan.
This isn't me trying to downplay him, he is still strong, but honestly if that's how he gets treated by basic G5 punches and one attack from Zoro that's probably not better than an Onigiri or Rengoku Onigiri, how is he going to withstand an Ifrit Jambe beatdown or Vagabond Drill?
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Every fighter has strengths and weaknesses. Luccis AP is probably not the best, same with his durability (withstanding attacks). He has crazy recovery, great skill, awakening, speed and high "deadliness".

I would not bet on Sanji against Lucci, portrayal from Egghead strongly suggests Lucci was stronger.

Jinbei gets a pass as he is ex-shichibukai and has yet to be really tested. He handled Whos Who rather easily and held his own vs Big Mom so we are yet to see his max but I don't have too high hopes for how strong he will turn out to be. Some part of me feels like he is actively still holding back, allowing Zoro and Sanji to grow and be the wings (similar to Marco who knew it was their era, not his).
 
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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

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#29
#29
Cozy Sofa said:
Every fighter has strengths and weaknesses. Luccis AP is probably not the best, same with his durability (withstanding attacks). He has crazy recovery, great skill, awakening, speed and high "deadliness".

I would not bet on Sanji against Lucci, portrayal from Egghead strongly suggests Lucci was stronger.

Jinbei gets a pass as he is ex-shichibukai and has yet to be really tested. He handled Whos Who rather easily and held his own vs Big Mom so we are yet to see his max but I don't have too high hopes for how strong he will turn out to be. Some part of me feels like he is actively still holding back, allowing Zoro and Sanji to grow and be the wings (similar to Marco who knew it was their era, not his).
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Lucci didn't do much that I wouldnt' see Sanji doing, tbh.
Him clashing with G5 Luffy wasn't that different from Vista clashing with Mihawk, for example. And I would bet a few Ifrit Jambe kicks could do him in.
But we haven't seen Sanji have an actual fight since he defeated Queen, so who knows?
Gonna see how he fares against Sommers or Dorry/Brogy.
 
Blahmigooo

Blahmigooo

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#32
#32
Koby - Should have CoC on the very least if he try to touch Luffy boots.

Smoker - Seems he got lot of fans, but need to lvlup this guy first and foremost to do anything worth, last fight was him badly lost against Vergo lol.

All SH - should have armament + obs haki at least

Most of BB crew needs an upgrate too if they are Rocks parallel or last obstacles for SH, (anyway eventually they will get stronger, that's obvious)
 
Shyneseru

Shyneseru

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#35
#35
Koby : His Hachinosu feat is still only Dressrosa Zoro level. He should be stronger than current Zoro, like between Law and Luffy in term of power.

Smoker : The way this character was written is a betrayal from Oda, he should be who Fujitora is rn. I'll even say Fujitora exists because Oda failed Smoker as a character.

Tashigi : What does she even do ? Is she just going to receive the swords though Jinbe's UPS delivery EOS ?

Luffy : Luffy post Kaido is stagnating. Btw if he does the "I'm hungry" thing in front of Imu he should get packed up immediately/ an important character should die. This can’t go smoothly like in Egghead even though he is not developing his Acoc and endurance.
 
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Getku

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#36
#36
Zoro need a powerup seriously.

it's almost end of series.
and Zoro has no fs, no internal destruction, no special power(atleast Luffy has df and sanji has his germa genes)

Zoro is in serious need of powerup and fight against atleast admiral level character.

otherwise Zoro reaching yonko level eos is just being delusional at this point
 
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