Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1176: WITH GREAT PRIDE

[soupongo]

Kisame had his entire chest blown open and healed from it, I’m pretty sure he could regen a limb too.

Fair enough, but to my understanding, he´s just getting bailed out by Samehada´s chakara in that case. He can´t create entirely new limbs that were never poisoned in the first place. From my understanding, you need to actually remove poison from your body in Naruto.

Kisame was beating V2 Bee, while 4T Naruto was arguably >= Tenchi Bridge Orochimaru. Sure that version of Orochimaru was nerfed, but even Jiraiya (Orochimaru’s rival) nearly died from fighting 4T Naruto. Kisame scales above the Sannin, though that could just be due to powercreep

This is just silly. Jiraiya was watching over Naruto, not trying to capture him. Getting attacked by a child you´re supposed to take care of is a different context. He obviously scales above Tenchi bridge Orochimaru, who at the very least could play on the defensive(though he couldn´t injure) 4 tails Naruto. Regardless, Orochimaru already beat Jiraiya, so his antifeats don´t apply to Orochimaru.

And Kisame has a good matchup against B, he can absorb his Chakara.

 

[Shiroyru]

Fair enough, but to my understanding, he´s just getting bailed out by Samehada´s chakara in that case. He can´t create entirely new limbs that were never poisoned in the first place. From my understanding, you need to actually remove poison from your body in Naruto.

This is just silly. Jiraiya was watching over Naruto, not trying to capture him. Getting attacked by a child you´re supposed to take care of is a different context. He obviously scales above Tenchi bridge Orochimaru, who at the very least could play on the defensive(though he couldn´t injure) 4 tails Naruto. Regardless, Orochimaru already beat Jiraiya, so his antifeats don´t apply to Orochimaru.

And Kisame has a good matchup against B, he can absorb his Chakara.

Can’t Kisame theoretically feed his own chakra to Samehada to recover from serious injuries?

Sure Jiraiya was kinda nerfed by not trying to kill Naruto, but he wouldn’t have gotten that nearly fatal injury if he was a level above 4T Naruto

 

[Shiroyru]

@soupongo I’m sure that Orochimaru is good with poisons, but I don’t really remember him using poison that often in the series? All I remember off the top of my head is him paralyzing Spiral Zetsu by putting a Curse Mark on him, which isn’t really even a poison Jutsu anyways

 

[soupongo]

Can’t Kisame theoretically feed his own chakra to Samehada to recover from serious injuries?

Idk, poison is usually fatal unless you have a specific external cure. Also, am I supposed to assume he could consistently do that, or just once? Can Samehada be poisoned? I honestly have no idea, but I don´t see this as a reliable counter

I don´t agree with rumble that this would be a bad matchup for Kisame in specific, I don´t think.

Sure Jiraiya was kinda nerfed by not trying to kill Naruto, but he wouldn’t have gotten that nearly fatal injury if he was a level above 4T Naruto

Nah, preparation is everything. Being taken off guard by a tailed beast is pretty significant lol.

Plus, at most, this is just an argument for Orochimaru>> base Jiraiya, which is kind of their portrayal anyway.
(this is not good for Kisame, because if we´re being generous, he still had his reservations about fighting Jiraiya, someone Orochimaru doesn´t even consider a serious threat)

@soupongo I’m sure that Orochimaru is good with poisons, but I don’t really remember him using poison that often in the series? All I remember off the top of my head is him paralyzing Spiral Zetsu by putting a Curse Mark on him, which isn’t really even a poison Jutsu anyways

He used it against Sasuke, but Sasuke is immune to Poison because of Orochimarus experiments
(lol)

 

[Shiroyru]

Idk, poison is usually fatal unless you have a specific external cure. Also, am I supposed to assume he could consistently do that, or just once? Can Samehada be poisoned? I honestly have no idea, but I don´t see this as a reliable counter

I don´t agree with rumble that this would be a bad matchup for Kisame in specific, I don´t think.

Nah, preparation is everything. Being taken off guard by a tailed beast is pretty significant lol.

Plus, at most, this is just an argument for Orochimaru>> base Jiraiya, which is kind of their portrayal anyway.


He used it against Sasuke, but Sasuke is immune to Poison because of Orochimarus experiments
(lol)

Wasn’t the poison he used against Sasuke that stuff he uses to activate his body takeover jutsu? He can only use that once every 3 years right?

Don’t most poisons work by destroying your cells? Regen would let Kisame quickly recover his destroyed cells.

Was Jiraiya taken off guard? I thought they were specifically training to see how much Kyuubi chakra Naruto could handle, so obviously he’d be prepared for Naruto to go out of control

 

[soupongo]

Wasn’t the poison he used against Sasuke that stuff he uses to activate his body takeover jutsu? He can only use that once every 3 years right?

I think the body transfer is specifically what takes 3 years, but his snake zoan form is just a technique he mastered through body experimentation or whatever. He can just use poison in that form to my understanding.

Don’t most poisons work by destroying your cells? Regen would let Kisame quickly recover his destroyed cells.
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Hmm, I don´t want to die on this hill, but shouldn´t any medical ninja be able to deal with poison then? We saw that wasn´t necessarily true with Sasori. I can agree to disagree on this though.

Was Jiraiya taken off guard? I thought they were specifically training to see how much Kyuubi chakra Naruto could handle, so obviously he’d be prepared for Naruto to go out of control

Presumably, the situation got out of his understanding and he may have been prepared to deal with a lesser form. But idk, I don´t think the manga ever shows us.

 

[vikas]

Fire/water/cola=Elemental trio

One Panel Trio

Actually 1/3 this arc

 

[kekaro]

Aint no way zgirls are talking about panel time after blud got 7 months of panneled and is about to be 4th in panel time in the whole manga despite introduced chapter 3 bro crying 😭😭😭😭
0 selfaware

 

[Fn Lucci]

Gotta say, I'm hoping Nusjuro returns. Not only is the work already done, as in Zoro would draw to him and fight on sight, but he's really the perfect middle between Killingham and the god of war

 

[Loki D. Terror]

1. Pain
2. Obito
3. Itachi
4. Deidara
5. Orochimaru/Kisame
6. Sasori
7. Kakuzu
8. Hidan

@Shiroyru

 

[Loki D. Terror]

@Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

 

[Logiko]

Noticeably, you don´t really have anything to say here at all. Your grand point is that you think that Xebec probably wanted to make the world a better place, after paragraphs of self indulgence, and glazing. If you have a opinion, just leave it and go. There´s not really anything more to say.

I honestly can´t think of anything more pretentious and retarded than creating rhetorical questions ¨hanging¨ on an OP site with a simple argument about what a characters goal is.

Sure sure

 

[Shiroyru]

Sure sure

Do you think that Davy Jones, Xebec’s idol, was a good guy?

 

[Logiko]

Do you think that Davy Jones, Xebec’s idol, was a good guy?

I don't know. But to me it sounds like Davy Jones was a friend or at the very least a rival of Joy Boy

 

[Shiroyru]

I don't know. But to me it sounds like Davy Jones was a friend or at the very least a rival of Joy Boy

You really think Oda is gonna write a morally good King of the World?

 

[Logiko]

You really think Oda is gonna write a morally good King of the World?

Oda wrote a lot of morally good Kings.

 

[Shiroyru]

Oda wrote a lot of morally good Kings.

Bro the fact that there shouldn’t be a King of the World is kinda the whole point of the series… Fake fan

 

[Logiko]

Bro the fact that there shouldn’t be a King of the World is kinda the whole point of the series… Fake fan

Sure sure. Try to outwoke me lmao

 

[Shiroyru]

Sure sure. Try to outwoke me lmao

 

[Logiko]

Next time read better.