General & Others Whose Death was saddest Ace or Neji?

[soupongo]

1. I dont get this fujitora talking point that people making always. Its revealed in the sbs he was a military general and after that a war criminal. Fujitora being a "good guy" and will not fight a SH. Fujitora was litterarly a military org prior he will doe what his orders are
"but goofy" thats oda wanking goofy, fujitora will have no reversation fighting a SH, he probally killed 100s of guys as an admiral more "good" than SHs

Yeah I mean...maybe? Though this doesn´t help you really. If Fujitora fights a SHP, Aramaki will too. And you then have two competitive underlings of Akainu, which Kizaru isn´t really.

2. Kizaru chanches fighting an SH went UP after his plotline getting interhooked with the SH present (which was not a must, he could have seperate one like garp and kuzan away from SH

But he did ultimately end up helping them and feeding Luffy. Wouldn´t it be kind of awkward to try having him fighting the crew again?

As for damaji and Luffy fighting someone on the same level in the same arc: Ignoring that Akainu will clearly be potrayed stronger if that happens: Thats not that far fetched what happened in other arcs. While gucci (im taking that because we have literal power level numbers here) has double of the doriki of Jabra, look at the amount of tries and state of luffy vs gucci and sanji vs jabra + sanji being almost dead prior to the fight.
its not as far fetched as you think

Nah, Akainu and Kizaru are still portrayed equally even post TS. Akainu didn´t even believe it was really his place when talking to Kizaru after his mission ended up in a fuckup. The mutual respect and admiration between those two is crazy. You don´t have a Sanji opponent saying he´s willing to head out against BM and Kaido while Sakazuki stays in the office lol...

 

[kekaro]

Yeah I mean...maybe? Though this doesn´t help you really. If Fujitora fights a SHP, Aramaki will too. And you then have two competitive underlings of Akainu, which Kizaru isn´t really..

? The point is can fight SHP, ultimativly Kizaru obey oders like in egghead, thats the point of egghead

But he did ultimately end up helping them and feeding Luffy. Wouldn´t it be kind of awkward to try having him fighting the crew again?
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He didnt help goofy, he wanted goofy to kill saturn so he can save vegapunk, which didnt pan out. Dont know what is akward about this

Nah, Akainu and Kizaru are still portrayed equally even post TS. Akainu didn´t even believe it was really his place when talking to Kizaru after his mission ended up in a fuckup. The mutual respect and admiration between those two is crazy. You don´t have a Sanji opponent saying he´s willing to head out against BM and Kaido while Sakazuki stays in the office lol...

There is not 1 exact scene like this while that scene didnt even result into something is not an argument

 

[soupongo]

? The point is can fight SHP, ultimativly Kizaru obey oders like in egghead, thats the point of egghead

There´s 5 admirals, not every SHP can fight one(ignoring who the 10th shp would be I guess, Loki or Yamato). If we eliminate 2, Fujitora and Kizaru are the most obvious answers because it wouldn´t be as satisfying to see them go down, and they aren´t going to be as invested. But if we include Fujitora, you can pretty easily just say Kizaru and Kuzan will be the two exceptions, since they´re strongly linked to Akainu.

He didnt help goofy, he wanted goofy to kill saturn so he can save vegapunk, which didnt pan out. Dont know what is akward about this

Kizaru vs Shp would be repeating a plot point, which isn´t inherently bad, but it´s less likely than say Aramaki, who didn´t have any development, nor questioning of his role in the marines.

There is not 1 exact scene like this while that scene didnt even result into something is not an argument

we don´t need to overly analyze the scenes to know that Kizaru isn´t really sakazukis underling beyond a formality. Sakazuki doesn´t go around ordering him around or anything, and they´re literally introduced as the same rank lol.

 

[kekaro]

There´s 5 admirals, not every SHP can fight one(ignoring who the 10th shp would be I guess, Loki or Yamato). If we eliminate 2, Fujitora and Kizaru are the most obvious answers because it wouldn´t be as satisfying to see them go down, and they aren´t going to be as invested. But if we include Fujitora, you can pretty easily just say Kizaru and Kuzan will be the two exceptions, since they´re strongly linked to Akainu.

Jimbob can also fight an admiral

The only exception would be Kuzan, who is in fact not more an admiral and oda implied he is cooking bigger things with him

Kizaru vs Shp would be repeating a plot point, which isn´t inherently bad, but it´s less likely than say Aramaki, who didn´t have any development, nor questioning of his role in the marines.

By that logic they will not fight aramaki either because their allies "dealt" with aramaki and they now knows aramakis abilities as the mosnter trio + jimbo watch the whole fight, like i said im not convinced by this argument

we don´t need to overly analyze the scenes to know that Kizaru isn´t really sakazukis underling beyond a formality. Sakazuki doesn´t go around ordering him around or anything, and they´re literally introduced as the same rank lol.

Thats the whole SH crew too, thats why every single crew member is also treated an officer, which is not true of any crew. Now you can disagree on this how the fanbase perceives it but thats odas own statements and how its in the manga, unless you want to argue goofy is more of a authority figure to the SH than Akainu as a fleetadmiral to the rest

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

When these chapters were dropping I was in training at an IT job. I pored over this for that whole month and when it was time for me to hit the floor, I actually didn't know shit about what I was even doing. Great times.

I remember I was in a psych ward for suicide ideation around the time I decided to just read the latest Naruto chapters. That chapter with Neji dying had me SHOOK.

 

[soupongo]

Jimbob can also fight an admiral

not happening

The only exception would be Kuzan, who is in fact not more an admiral and oda implied he is cooking bigger things with him

Kuzan is in an enemy crew the SHP are directly facing though, idk how you get around that
(if you say he´s a double agent, I can debunk that in like 5 mins, there´s no reason to assume the Gorosei would be kept in the dark, nor would Kuzan need to tell Smoker anything about Doffy, he could just contact Hq like Drake did)

By that logic they will not fight aramaki either because their allies "dealt" with aramaki and they now knows aramakis abilities as the mosnter trio + jimbo watch the whole fight, like i said im not convinced by this argument

Nah, Aramaki just had his intro, which is similar to Kizaru or Kuzans into where he just gets to show off his DF power. That isn´t the same as being an actual arc fight, using a good extent of his powers.

Thats the whole SH crew too, thats why every single crew member is also treated an officer, which is not true of any crew. Now you can disagree on this how the fanbase perceives it but thats odas own statements and how its in the manga, unless you want to argue goofy is more of a authority figure to the SH than Akainu as a fleetadmiral to the rest

Nah, Luffy just isn´a an authoritarian. The SHP are all very much his underlings though, they don´t stfu about how Luffy is the man who will become PK. Kizaru wouldn´t treat Sakazuki that way, and Sakazuki doesn´t tell Kizaru what to do much, despite being an authoritarian

Anyway if you believe in Kizaru vs Sanji that´s fine. I´m just explaining my disagreement

 

[Fn Lucci]

I remember I was in a psych ward for suicide ideation around the time I decided to just read the latest Naruto chapters. That chapter with Neji dying had me SHOOK.

Well, fuck. Thanks for sticking with us

 

[Jaguark101]

Neji's death wasn't sad, it was just dumb and made no sense lol

All for a stupid shipping.

Neji died for a ship that ain't even good or well written 😂

 

[MUUGEN]

in this arena alone, I can comfortably say

Haku neg difs

 

[MUUGEN]

I don't even remember how Haku died and I watched/read that arc multiple times. Zabuza went out like a G.

todays pick me character...

 

[MUUGEN]

The comment is wild cause the whole start/setup of Zabuzas death scene is BECAUSE of Hakus death. Its ok bro everyone gets old

before madara there was Zabuza the Demon of the Hidden Mist

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Neji died for a ship that ain't even good or well written 😂

Don’t care. His death was still sad as hell.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

He was a branch member and forced to save Hinata. At the end of the day he couldn’t change his destiny. ;( so sad ngl.

 

[Jaguark101]

Don’t care. His death was still sad as hell.

My dude, the ten tails nuking the Alliance HQ and killing Inoichi and Shikaku was sadder than Neji's death.

 

[vikas]

I didn't care about Aces death at all... I was more angry that because of him others died...

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

My dude, the ten tails nuking the Alliance HQ and killing Inoichi and Shikaku was sadder than Neji's death.

Who gives af about the older gen dudes.

 

[RyoQ]

Enough. Danzos death was sadder than both

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Enough. Danzos death was sadder than both

@SakazOuki

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Even though Ace was a goddamn idiot, his death was very important, plotwise.

Neji was an afterthought that came off as strangely spiteful. Like his VA fucked Kishi's wife or something.

 

[Blax Blah]

I remember I was in a psych ward for suicide ideation around the time I decided to just read the latest Naruto chapters. That chapter with Neji dying had me SHOOK.

That sucks man but I'm really happy you're here now