Speculations Is Imu the one who drew the Mural?

Did Imu draw the Elbaph Mural?

  • Yes! Having hundreds of years to perfect your art really pays off!

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • No! Just look at all statues of the First Twenty on the Red Line! Imu's more of a sculptor!

    Votes: 6 75.0%
  • Maybe? Art's subjective...

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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#1
This might come across as random, but I think there are puzzle pieces that are starting to fit together, here.

Take another look at Imu's newly-revealed form.


(Chapter 1179)

Imu seems to have what looks like a Elbaph-style viking-like belt around their waist. Combine that with Imu probably being pretty tall, maybe even Ancient-Giant size like Loki, and it feels like Oda is hinting that Imu actually has more of a tie to Elbaph than we originally thought.

I think it's possible that Imu actually originally came from Elbaph during the Void Century. Elbaph could be Imu's homeland. Imu might have some Ancient Giant blood in him. Which, if this is the case, could explain why Imu cares so much about getting this country under his control. He doesn't want to have to fight his own people during whatever conflict he's worried about coming up.



So, if we assume that Imu originally came from Elbaph, that would mean that at some point, Imu was a child. Just like everybody else. And remember what Ripley had to say about who originally made the Elbaph Mural?


(Chapter 1138)

The Mural was likely drawn by a child. Imu MAY have been a child from Elbaph. This is all VERY circumstantial, but I think it'd make for a interesting reveal if Imu was the one who originally drew the Mural. Imu may have been the one who drew the Mural showing us the history of the World up to that point. Possibly right before going off to help Joyboy fight in the then-upcoming War. Imu MAY be that "Ancient Giant with a Spear" we see in the Mural.

Let's take another look at that Mural.


(Chapter 1138)

The Ancient Giant in the Mural, underneath "Joyboy", is wielding a spear. When we first see Imu in Chapter 1178, he's wielding a "naginata"-like weapon. That's not QUITE the same thing, but it IS pretty close. Close enough for me to speculate that these could be a picture of Imu during Joyboy's battle during the Second World. The Ancient Giant in the Mural also has a belt, and white hair, just like Imu does. These are possibly the same people.



Also, this is a bit of a side-tangent, but I want to bring up the Statues in Mariejois, who are likely depicting the First Twenty.


(Chapter 906)

Not only does this show that there's SOMEONE in Mariejois with some artistic skill, and plenty of time on their hands. But, also, this reddit thread below makes a interesting point. There seems to be a ongoing theme of characters who use spears clashing with other characters who use swords. Rivals who end up respecting each other, by the end of their fights. Roger vs Whitebeard. Nekomamushi vs Inuarashi. Noland vs Kalgara. Possibly as part of the whole "Sun vs the Moon" theme.
reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rpse1w/mary_geoise_statues_and_the_god_a_common_detail/

And we see that, in the Mural, the Ancient Giant has a spear, and "Joyboy" has a sword. So, in a roundabout way, that kind of implies that at one point, Imu and Joyboy may have been more "friendly rivals", until something soured between them.



But, now for the big one, because there's a line in the Harley Text that seems to give away the game.
https://thelibraryofohara.com/2025/02/02/chapter-secrets-one-piece-chapter-1138-giga-analysis/

During the Second World portion, the text begins with:

"Within the nothingness, there is breath."

Which in Japanese is:
虚無に息吹あり
"Kyomu ni ibuki ari."

"Kyo...MU". And as we all know, Imu tends to refer to themselves as "Mu". "Nothing"


(Chapter 1163)

So, how does the line read change if we replace "Kyomu" with Imu's name in Japanese? (イム)

イムに息吹あり
"Imu ni ibuki ari."
"Imu has breath."

In other words, "Imu is born". The Second World begins with Imu being born. Imu is referring to themselves as "Mu". Which means Imu may have not just been the one who drew the Mural, Imu might be the one who wrote the Harley Text, too.



I also find Imu's weapon interesting. We're all focusing on the pointy end. But, Imu's weapon also has that black, fluffy cloud around it. Which...kind of makes it look like a paint brush, sorta. Kind of like Miss Goldenweek's paint brush.



I've talked about this several times before, but Miss Goldenweek's Color Trap seems suspiciously similar to Imu's Contract Marks. Possibly because they're both tapping into some sort of "Symbol Magic" themed Third Power System. So much so, that I have to wonder if that's why Miss Goldenweek is being portrayed as a lot more sinister in the Live Action series. Miss Goldenweek may be a early parallel for Imu. And if their powers are similar...could that mean that Imu is ALSO a artist? Giving some credence to the idea that Imu could have been the one who painted the Mural?
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/imu-still-may-not-be-the-sea-god.76012/#post-6482582



And if Imu IS a artist, that could mean that Kanjuro could also be a parallel with Imu.



Which would kind of make sense. If Imu can create "Devils", like the Gorosei's "Yokai" forms, that would be pretty similar to Kanjuro's power to bring his drawings to life. Also, Kanjuro betrayed the other Scabbards. And it seems likely that Imu betrayed Joyboy, by forming the World Government.



This isn't the only time Imu's been associated with artwork, either. Because, arguably, the first time we saw Imu was actually IN a piece of "artwork".


(Chapter 722)

Momo takes the place of someone huddling away in a crown, which looks suspiciously like Imu's crown in his "Shadowy" form. And now that we know Imu is a man, Momo actually makes a lot of sense as a parallel for Imu, overall.

Giolla's Dying Art is probably another perspective on the event that the Chapter 1138 Mural is also depicting. Chopper is a "Dragon"-like character with a long neck, and Nami is a blocky "Robot"-like character, both trying to seal a Sun away behind a gate, which looks a lot like the Gate of Justice at Enies Lobby. While the Sun itself is split between "Good" and "Evil" halves, possibly representing the Joyboy and Davy factions.

Brook looks like he has wings like a Lunarian in this shot which may make him a parallel with Joyboy, since we've gotten a few hints that Joyboy may have been a Lunarian with wings. Which leaves Giolla herself...probably as Davy Jones?
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-fruit-users-before-luffy.56319/#post-6439582

If Imu DOES turn out to be the literal "Guardian of the Gate", like I think is possible, then this was all foreshadowed a long time ago in a piece of artwork.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...will-lose-in-elbaph.80593/page-8#post-6658028



A villainous character with a paintbrush as a weapon, who likes to disguise themselves in shadows, leaves special marks around everywhere they go, and really isn't that bad of a person, deep, DEEP down? That kind of reminds me of someone else, actually.


(Bowser Jr and Shadow Mario from Super Mario Sunshine)

Hmm...Do you think Oda was really looking forward to the Super Mario Galaxy Movie? Imu's just the mid-boss. And those "Shadows" that Imu covered himself with...could just be paint. Which might explain why he was coughing stuff up.



So, just wanted to put all that out there. Imu potentially has a lot of connections to artwork. So, don't be surprised if Imu has some sort of "art powers" when we actually see him make his move. In addition to all the OTHER potential powers he could have in his arsenal.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/so-imus-power-is.80684/#post-6658116


I might be jumping the gun on all this, since we really haven't even seen what Imu can do yet in his "Awakened" form. But, just in case I'm right, I just wanted to get this all out there. Time will tell if I was on the right track, or not.
 
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I see it and like it, but i personally saw Imu's outfit as very pirate-like. Rocks had a similar belt, Luffy goes bare chested a lot, and pirates always wear striped pants in everything

I personally wonder if Imu rather than having that dream, knew Joyboy and was scared to believe in it. Like the crew said, Luffys dream is super childish. There's a possibility that Imu was a cowardly traitor who didn't believe the dream was possible. Like Usopp said its impossible (but Usopp always comes through and is a good hearted kid not saying he is like IMU lmfao)
 
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I personally wonder if Imu rather than having that dream, knew Joyboy and was scared to believe in it. Like the crew said, Luffys dream is super childish. There's a possibility that Imu was a cowardly traitor who didn't believe the dream was possible. Like Usopp said its impossible (but Usopp always comes through and is a good hearted kid not saying he is like IMU lmfao)
I actually mostly agree with this. But, I think it's basically a little bit of both.

To clarify, right now, in my head, the timeline would go something like this:

1. Imu is born in Elbaph.

2. Joyboy is born in the Ancient Kingdom. Then he sets out of a journey to explore the World. He eventually finds the elephant Zunesha and they become buddies!

3. Joyboy and Imu meet and start out as rivals that dislike each other.

4. Imu is eventually won over by Joyboy's charisma and joins him.

5. Joyboy and Imu gather together other allies to help them overthrow the True God of the Second World. Including Davy Jones, and the mechanical creation Emet. The First Twenty Pirates gather together, all with the goal of literally making a better world.

6. Imu paints the Elbaph Mural, right before going off to the Final War of the Second World. Possibly Joyboy joins in. Maybe their entire crew helps, as a huge bonding exercise to lighten the mood before going off to war. It was the first time that they all smiled together.

7. Time passes. Joyboy, Imu, Davy Jones, and the First Twenty fight with the True God of the Second World. Travelling all over the World on their journey to overthrow the "Demon King"

8. Joyboy, Imu, and the rest learn some secret about their World. Likely the same thing that Luffy will learn about on Laugh Tale. Probably something connected to the origin of the World back in the First World. It's probably around now when Imu catches any "Mysterious Ancient Illnesses" he might currently have.

9. Joyboy and Davy Jones disagree about what to do about what they just learned. There's a rift formed in their alliance. Imu can't decide which side he's on and refuses to pick between them.

10. Joyboy has Lili send the Poneglyphs all around the World, so what they learned about the World is never totally lost. Including the Apology Poneglyph to the original Mermaid Princess.

11. Davy Jones's faction kills the True God of the Second World.

12. Joyboy interferes, and because of his actions, the Mother Flame is lost.

13. Joyboy and Davy Jones have a all out fight. Joyboy dies. The Nika Fruit goes on the run.

14. Davy Jones declares himself the new God of this World. But, Imu interferes and takes the power for himself. Imu either kills Davy Jones or Davy dies because getting the power was the only way for Davy to heal a battle wound.

15. Imu becomes the Incomplete God of the Third World. Because Imu's power is Incomplete, the New World is born wrong. Not totally under Imu's control. Physics and nature grow...strange, in the Grand Line. Imu takes command of the First Twenty. He turns them from a pirate crew into the new government of this World, rushing around trying to give aid to the people in need. Trying to find a way to bring stability to this unstable new world. In exchange for their help, Imu gives his promise that he will always look out and care for their children. Zunesha is exiled for his crime of trying to help Joyboy.

16. Imu is a artist with power basically forced upon him. Imu tries his best, but there's so many compromises to make just to keep the world running. It wasn't supposed to be like this. This wasn't their dream. Imu can't even fix anything because he doesn't have the Complete Power. Joyboy was wrong! If we did things his way, everything we ever knew would have ended! Davy Jones was wrong! If he got his way, the wars would have never stopped! There HAS to be a middle way! The only way forward...is to keep everyone apart! If people can't gather together, they can't kill one another! Hide the truth! Let them forget! Keep things as they are as best we can! The truth only brings pain! Knowledge only brings conflict! With enough time the wounds will heal. We can have time now. We don't have to make THE CHOICE yet! Maybe the Third World can't be perfect, but at least it can have a little bit of peace. Imu will figure out a better solution...eventually...right? Imu just needs...a little time...alone.



Or, at least, that's kind of what I'm imagining right this second. Ask me tomorrow, I might have a different idea. But...the Void Century Flashback might look a little something like this. Or not. Oda's unpredictable at the best of times.
 
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#15
Imu wouldn’t write his own defeat to the sun god as it says in the 3rd verse, so that doesn’t track
Fair point. But, it kind of depends on how you interpret that part of the Harley. It doesn't necessarily say that the Sun God wins.

In fact, the Harley calling the Kouzuki Clan "Inconvenient Remnants" actually seems to imply that the Harley was written by someone who may have opposed Joyboy. Maybe.

Let's see how else we can interpret this.

"The Sun God dances and laughs, leading the World to it's End."
-If we assume Imu is the one writing this, it...actually kind of fits as a warning, of sorts. Imu is warning people that Nika/Joyboy's way of doing things will bring their doom. Don't listen to the Sun God, listen to Imu!

"The Sun returns and brings a new morning"
-It's worth mentioning that the "The Sun" is not necessarily the same thing as "The Sun God". "The Sun" could potentially be referring to the Forbidden Sun/Mother Flame. So, in the Second World, "Mankind" didn't necessarily kill Joyboy, they might have destroyed the Original Mother Flame, instead. If we assume that Imu is the one writing this, this would be Imu promising to bring back the Ancient Kingdom's power source, so that the Celestial Dragons can have it. Which we've actually seen Imu do, stealing it from the Vegapunks. Imu will bring back the old technology of the Void Century and lead everyone to a new golden age!

"And they shall surely meet."
-This ties into another of my theories. But, if Imu already has 3 out of the 4 God Fruits, thus explaining his 3 Skulls, then in order to become the "True and Complete" God of this World, Imu needs to get Luffy's Nika Fruit. Either way, if we assume Imu was the one to write the Harley, this would be Imu's promise to beat the Nika Fruit User, this time around. Imu's promising that he's going to fight Nika...and Imu's determined to win!
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/imu-still-may-not-be-the-sea-god.76012/
But, there is also another alternative here that I want to discuss. Because, so far, most people who have theorized about which God Imu could actually be have been making a big assumption. That Imu is only ONE of the 4 Gods. That the 4 Gods are completely separate characters.

Well...what if that's the wrong way to think about it?

What if this isn't a either/or option? What if Imu IS the Forest God...AND the Sea God...AND the Earth God? All at the same time?

What if Imu is actually...3 out of the 4 Gods, already? Could it be possible that Imu has actually already eaten the other 3 God Fruits, and just need's Luffy's Sun God Fruit to become the "True God" of this World? What if the God Fruits are basically like the Dragon Balls? You need to "collect" them all in order to gain their true power?

We DO know that "Mu's world is incomplete" (Chapter 1163). So...maybe Imu was talking literally. They're literally only missing 1/4th of the keys they need to become the "True God" of this world. And rule unopposed.

Take another look at the Contract Marks we've been seeing in the story. The "base" for all the Marks seems to be a circle split into 4 quadrants by two "bones". Just like how the entire World is split into 4 Seas by the Red Line and Grand Line. There seems like there's a pattern, here. A single object...split into 4 artificially. If the entire World's ocean has been split into pieces artificially, somehow...then why wouldn't the "True God" of this world ALSO be split into 4 pieces?

This would mean that Imu isn't JUST responsible for the flooding (Sea God Powers), but also the creation of Devil Fruits (Forest God Powers), and also the creation of the Red Line (Earth God Powers). Although, I'll admit there's a problem with even that line of thought. Since, the God Fruits don't actually seem to have much connection to the elements they're named after. The Sea God, Forest God, and Earth God are more likely to have the powers of collecting things, playing board-games, and making things with legos rather than the power over the sea, plants, and ground. Still...I suppose you could get both at higher level "awakenings"?

There could be a couple ways Imu could do this. Imu might have a similar ability to Blackbeard, so Imu can just eat 4 Devil Fruits because their body might be extra-special. Or maybe the 4 God Fruits don't really count as "regular" Devil Fruits, because you're basically only eating 1/4th of the "true" Fruit whenever you eat one. Either way, there are ways to make this work.

Now...a good part of me doesn't believe that Oda would actually do this. Because you'd be cutting down the potential number of characters. Oda LOVES designing new characters. It's like...his favorite part of doing this manga. So, if Oda has a chance to create 3 new characters with godlike abilities...or have 1 character with 3 different godlike abilities...Oda is probably going to choose to make 3 different God Fruit Users instead. That's usually how Oda's brain works. But...this could be a exception to the rule. And we could still get past God Fruit Users in flashbacks. So, Oda COULD still create a handful of new characters AND make Imu ultra-overpowered by having 3 out of the 4 God Fruits of this World. Oda COULD do both!

This would mean that neither Loki nor Blackbeard have either of the other God Fruits, though. And...if so...I'm not sure where that would leave Blackbeard. I guess Blackbeard could be the one to kill Imu and get their 3 God Fruits. But, that feels less interesting than Blackbeard already having one with the Darkness Fruit secretly being one like Luffy's Fruit turned out to be. Maybe there's more gods than we know about, or maybe the Darkness Fruit could be a "Demon" instead of a "God". But, it would be...odd. I'm not sure.

I don't know if I actually believe that Oda would do this. But, I do think it's a possible solution to the problem. And it would make things more exciting if Imu was already 3/4ths of the way to completing their goal. Luffy would basically be the only thing standing between Imu and total control of the planet.
Y'know what? Here's a little bonus part of the theory I forgot to mention.

In the Chapter 1138 Mural, we get repeated lines of "They will never meet again". We've been thinking that this line refers to other characters who get separated. Perhaps the God Fruit Users, or perhaps the Ancient Weapon Keepers. But, what if it's the opposite?

What if the reason that these unnamed entities "will never meet again" is because they got absorbed into each other? If they're all part of the same person, they cannot meet. So, maybe the line of "They will never meet again" is referring to Imu eating the God Fruits, one by one. The God Fruits will never be reincarnated into separate people again, because one person is eating them all.

In the First World, Imu ate the Forest and the Earth God Fruits. By the end of the Second World, Imu got their hands on the Sea God Fruit. And in the Third World, we will see Imu finally confront Luffy/the Sun God, and try to take his Fruit, completing the set.

Again, I don't know if this is likely. But, I feel like it more or less works. I feel like it's a interesting read, if nothing else.



Now, this reading doesn't quite track with my other interpretation of Imu drawing the Mural back when he was a kid. But, no one ever said the Harley and the Mural were made at the same time. The Mural may have come first. And then the Harley Text could have been written at a later date. Even though they're presented to us at the same time, they're not necessarily supposed to go together.



So, yeah, I'll admit, you kind of have to twist things around in order to make it work. But, I don't think it's impossible. The Harley Text can be interpreted multiple ways. That's part of the fun. I'll admit, this might be going a bit too far to make it work. And I might be jumping to too many conclusions, here. And if anything the Harley could be MUCH older than we think, since it's from the country of the long-lived Giants. It could be some sort of prophetic vision someone had all the way back during the First World. We really don't know much about how old the Harley is.

But, we'll see. Like I said, the Harley doesn't guarantee the Sun God winning this fight. And the "meeting" is vague enough that no one can really say what it means for sure, right now. Oda could surprise us with something completely out of left field with all of this.
 
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