Controversial Poll: Religious or rational?
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I'm really not sure whether or not God exists. And I don't know what comes after death, either. I also actively choose to avoid a lot of religions because they're all pretty scummy to me.
It's ultimately not our job to worry about all that anyway. It won't change much. And there's no way to prove God does or doesn't exist.
It's ultimately not our job to worry about all that anyway. It won't change much. And there's no way to prove God does or doesn't exist.
God = Most Supreme Being
His Existence means it's not up to us to decide whether We believe or not, it's up to him,
If you don't apply this then it's not God you're asking about, you're just asking about any Stronger Being
If you wanna know or test if God exists or not, become someone worthy of being a Believer & see if it works or not,
This isn't a World to see who's Smarter or Wiser among us, it's instead about our Morals & Ethics, something We can all have regardless of Place, Gender, Age, Intellect, Wisdom, Wealth, Physique, Beauty ... etc
So instead, the more important question is, where are your Morals derived from? Where do you learn them? Why should anyone trust the person next to them? Who sets Values to anything if We are all Equals & have different Views & Preferences?
Who you believe decides what's Right & Wrong, that's who you are currently Worshipping, it could be yourself, could be other People based on different Criteria or maybe something else completely, but if you say that you believe no one & nothing should decide such matter, then you have no Values, in which case that makes you an enemy of Human Order
This isn't about God vs Science, it's not School, this is about whether you believe in Judgment or not.
Only difference is that True Believers in God believe that everything We do is recorded & we will be judged for it one day, while Non-Believers think that they are only gonna be judged for things they were caught doing by other People, that's all.
His Existence means it's not up to us to decide whether We believe or not, it's up to him,
If you don't apply this then it's not God you're asking about, you're just asking about any Stronger Being
If you wanna know or test if God exists or not, become someone worthy of being a Believer & see if it works or not,
This isn't a World to see who's Smarter or Wiser among us, it's instead about our Morals & Ethics, something We can all have regardless of Place, Gender, Age, Intellect, Wisdom, Wealth, Physique, Beauty ... etc
So instead, the more important question is, where are your Morals derived from? Where do you learn them? Why should anyone trust the person next to them? Who sets Values to anything if We are all Equals & have different Views & Preferences?
Who you believe decides what's Right & Wrong, that's who you are currently Worshipping, it could be yourself, could be other People based on different Criteria or maybe something else completely, but if you say that you believe no one & nothing should decide such matter, then you have no Values, in which case that makes you an enemy of Human Order
This isn't about God vs Science, it's not School, this is about whether you believe in Judgment or not.
Only difference is that True Believers in God believe that everything We do is recorded & we will be judged for it one day, while Non-Believers think that they are only gonna be judged for things they were caught doing by other People, that's all.
Psalm 19: 1
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
You know I think it is interesting when people say you can't prove God exist. The very fact this Earth is here is proof. Look at people and animals. Everything has a specific function. Earthworms do their job in the Earth, Lobsters and shrimp clean up the oceans etc. This is obviously the work of a highly intelligent being. Now if the world was filled with chaos I would agree that we can't prove it but every time I see a human being their head is where it should be. Even when I studied biology at the University I learn how complex the immune system is and everything has a specific job. This is not a chance event someone design this body and made all mankind and that someone is God almighty even Jesus.
Isaiah 45: 18
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
You know I think it is interesting when people say you can't prove God exist. The very fact this Earth is here is proof. Look at people and animals. Everything has a specific function. Earthworms do their job in the Earth, Lobsters and shrimp clean up the oceans etc. This is obviously the work of a highly intelligent being. Now if the world was filled with chaos I would agree that we can't prove it but every time I see a human being their head is where it should be. Even when I studied biology at the University I learn how complex the immune system is and everything has a specific job. This is not a chance event someone design this body and made all mankind and that someone is God almighty even Jesus.
Isaiah 45: 18
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
Well there are 48 prophecies about Jesus' life, made hundreds of years before he was born, that came true, no other religion has that because they don't know what will happen, the Bible knows what will happen because God wrote it
And the events happened in such a way that, with the historical context and all factors taken into account, the only explanation is he resurrected
So God is real and Jesus Christ is God
And the events happened in such a way that, with the historical context and all factors taken into account, the only explanation is he resurrected
So God is real and Jesus Christ is God
Yeah, the Bible says, people reject God because their deeds are evil, and if they come to the light then their deeds are made manifest and they are seen to be evil
You have to humble yourself and say, yeah my deeds are evil, and come to the light anyway
The only reason people nowadays go to hell is rejecting Jesus Christ for salvation, nothing else can send a men to hell, and only accepting Jesus for salvation can send a man to heaven
You have to humble yourself and say, yeah my deeds are evil, and come to the light anyway
The only reason people nowadays go to hell is rejecting Jesus Christ for salvation, nothing else can send a men to hell, and only accepting Jesus for salvation can send a man to heaven
If you check history all civilizations worship a god because people knew god existed. Everyone is born with that basic understanding. The issue with those same nations however is that they did not want to worship the GOD that made Heaven and Earth. We are now in the last days so people are denying the fact that God exist, just like the bible said they would.
Time is literally divided because of Jesus Christ and yet we like to pretend he didn't exist. I mean we believe all those presidents existed, we believe the history on certain figures such as Alexander the great and Napoleon. All of a sudden when Jesus is mentioned people have a problem. GOD exist, whether we want to acknowledge or not.
Time is literally divided because of Jesus Christ and yet we like to pretend he didn't exist. I mean we believe all those presidents existed, we believe the history on certain figures such as Alexander the great and Napoleon. All of a sudden when Jesus is mentioned people have a problem. GOD exist, whether we want to acknowledge or not.
Sir..... reading this thread made me remember those days i used to look up things about science, religion, and philosophy
Those days are over, but let me remember who were the top philosophers for religion..... a bit of memory exercise :
- William Lane Craig
- Alexander Pruss
- Robert Koons
- Josh Rasmussen
- Edward Feser, and many more
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Anyway, i agree there is an extremely intelligent designer who made us humans.
I used to watch this guy's highly impressive drawings :
Now, what is more impressive than this drawing of a human? The actual humans, with consciousness and all the technologies and information inside them.
About Consciousness :
I remember reading an article where 2 highly intelligent scientists ( Edward Witten and some famous biologist ) admit they don't know where consciousness come from.
I find that remarkable. that even someone who has been called "the world's smartest physicist" and "physicist's physicist" ( yes Edward Witten has been called that ) didn't know where consciousness come from.
Now i'm not saying Science will never find where it comes from, but i just find that remarkable.
About Information :
I remember reading this technical article by a Christian physicist a long time ago, that i don't deeply understand, but i think it says/predicts the information needed to make humans is out of this world-big :
https://scienceandculture.com/2025/04/the-math-behind-the-immaterial-genome/
Maybe it says that the information is going to vastly exceed 10⁹⁰, or 10 to the power of 90 bits ( that is 1 followed by 90 zeros ).
By the way, 10 Gigabytes is equal to 80 billion bits ( 8 followed by 10 zeros ).
I guess that illustrates a bit about how massive 10⁹⁰ is.
Anyway i think that is still unproven ( that the information needed to make a human vastly exceeds 10⁹⁰ ), but will it be surprising if it is proven ? I mean even the drawing of a human like i posted above needed a lot of efforts/skills.
About Technology in a human body :
I remember watching this vid where this Christian physicist explains/argues how Human's eyes are definitely made ( by a highly intelligent designer )
In this video i think he said Human eyes utilized some Quantum principle or technology to see, let's watch it :
( Please don't ask me about the details of Quantum Science lol, i don't really know much about Science ).
But man, i've seen/read about all these different technologies inside humans and animals, i agree there is a creator.
I also agree everything has it's functions, i remember reading an article about Whales helping to clean up Co2 in the Oceans or something.
And i agree that Humans' head is where it should be ( lol ). Also the eyes.
Now, i'm not a Christian, as i'm from Christianity's younger sibling ( Islam ), but i hope all the information i've written will be beneficial to you.
Those days are over, but let me remember who were the top philosophers for religion..... a bit of memory exercise :
- William Lane Craig
- Alexander Pruss
- Robert Koons
- Josh Rasmussen
- Edward Feser, and many more
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Anyway, i agree there is an extremely intelligent designer who made us humans.
I used to watch this guy's highly impressive drawings :
Now, what is more impressive than this drawing of a human? The actual humans, with consciousness and all the technologies and information inside them.
About Consciousness :
I remember reading an article where 2 highly intelligent scientists ( Edward Witten and some famous biologist ) admit they don't know where consciousness come from.
I find that remarkable. that even someone who has been called "the world's smartest physicist" and "physicist's physicist" ( yes Edward Witten has been called that ) didn't know where consciousness come from.
Now i'm not saying Science will never find where it comes from, but i just find that remarkable.
About Information :
I remember reading this technical article by a Christian physicist a long time ago, that i don't deeply understand, but i think it says/predicts the information needed to make humans is out of this world-big :
https://scienceandculture.com/2025/04/the-math-behind-the-immaterial-genome/
Maybe it says that the information is going to vastly exceed 10⁹⁰, or 10 to the power of 90 bits ( that is 1 followed by 90 zeros ).
By the way, 10 Gigabytes is equal to 80 billion bits ( 8 followed by 10 zeros ).
I guess that illustrates a bit about how massive 10⁹⁰ is.
Anyway i think that is still unproven ( that the information needed to make a human vastly exceeds 10⁹⁰ ), but will it be surprising if it is proven ? I mean even the drawing of a human like i posted above needed a lot of efforts/skills.
About Technology in a human body :
I remember watching this vid where this Christian physicist explains/argues how Human's eyes are definitely made ( by a highly intelligent designer )
In this video i think he said Human eyes utilized some Quantum principle or technology to see, let's watch it :
( Please don't ask me about the details of Quantum Science lol, i don't really know much about Science ).
But man, i've seen/read about all these different technologies inside humans and animals, i agree there is a creator.
I also agree everything has it's functions, i remember reading an article about Whales helping to clean up Co2 in the Oceans or something.
And i agree that Humans' head is where it should be ( lol ). Also the eyes.
Now, i'm not a Christian, as i'm from Christianity's younger sibling ( Islam ), but i hope all the information i've written will be beneficial to you.
Yap, the title and poll sound a bit inflammatory and dividing,
And seems to imply religious people/ people of faith can't be scientists, because Science and Religion are completely incompatible/in conflict
That seems untrue, there probably are a lot of scientists in the world who're of faiths,
There were organizations in USA for scientists of Christianity, i forget the other ones but one of them was BioLogos.
Francis Collins was a member of it. He was a major Geneticist.
Other scientists that were said to be Christians ..... Physicists Don Page, Aron Wall, John Polkinghorne, Christopher Isham, George Ellis ( world class Cosmologist )
Maybe Donna Strickland and Juan Maldacena ( their Wikipedia pages said they're members of Christian groups ) :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Maldacena
Honestly, probably like all the founders/starters of Science in the West were people of faiths.
Isaac Newton, James Maxwell, Copernicus, that Belgian Big Bang theorist etc.
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For the Islamic faith, Iran has an award for muslim scientists, it's "Mustafa Prize" :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Prize
Cumrun Vafa, M. Zahid Hasan, Omar Yaghi ( 2025 Nobel Prize winner ), Yahya Tayalati, Vahab Mirrokni are some of it's laureates
Maybe some of these people are not muslims anymore though, and it's just a background or cultural thing for them.
And seems to imply religious people/ people of faith can't be scientists, because Science and Religion are completely incompatible/in conflict
That seems untrue, there probably are a lot of scientists in the world who're of faiths,
There were organizations in USA for scientists of Christianity, i forget the other ones but one of them was BioLogos.
Francis Collins was a member of it. He was a major Geneticist.
Other scientists that were said to be Christians ..... Physicists Don Page, Aron Wall, John Polkinghorne, Christopher Isham, George Ellis ( world class Cosmologist )
Maybe Donna Strickland and Juan Maldacena ( their Wikipedia pages said they're members of Christian groups ) :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Maldacena
Honestly, probably like all the founders/starters of Science in the West were people of faiths.
Isaac Newton, James Maxwell, Copernicus, that Belgian Big Bang theorist etc.
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For the Islamic faith, Iran has an award for muslim scientists, it's "Mustafa Prize" :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Prize
Cumrun Vafa, M. Zahid Hasan, Omar Yaghi ( 2025 Nobel Prize winner ), Yahya Tayalati, Vahab Mirrokni are some of it's laureates
Maybe some of these people are not muslims anymore though, and it's just a background or cultural thing for them.