General & Others Is anyone excited about One Piece currently?
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Yes it is. Factually it is. Sorry.
Stop analysing story or read One Piece more correctly.
Luffy is currently as strong as Shanks with 1/10th of his time at sea. If Imu is not meant to be a final villain, his age won't matter and you need to accept that. Age don't matter in powerscaling.
Again, I see words, I don't see any logic here.
You are hating because it feels good to hate and because you feel validated by others. It's not proper analysis and you are not the edgy king you think you are.
There is no basis for your argumentation. Your are analysis and appreciating based on your headcanon. You are not even reading, you are pre-disliking.
You completely pre-block yourself (and you are not alone) from even enjoying something in the story. Because there is simply no way to satisfy yourself with something you WANT to be bad.
No. it depends how the context. Creating such absolute expectation is completely meaningless. A story is a context. If the context is proper and Oda explains it correctly, there will be no problem.
That's what you don't understand. You are not analysing anything. You are not even understanding the story.
You pre-judge in absolute. You apply an absolute expectation on potential contextual narratives. This is can only be destructive and will only hurt your experience.
Stop analysing story or read One Piece more correctly.
Luffy is currently as strong as Shanks with 1/10th of his time at sea. If Imu is not meant to be a final villain, his age won't matter and you need to accept that. Age don't matter in powerscaling.
Again, I see words, I don't see any logic here.
You are hating because it feels good to hate and because you feel validated by others. It's not proper analysis and you are not the edgy king you think you are.
There is no basis for your argumentation. Your are analysis and appreciating based on your headcanon. You are not even reading, you are pre-disliking.
You completely pre-block yourself (and you are not alone) from even enjoying something in the story. Because there is simply no way to satisfy yourself with something you WANT to be bad.
No. it depends how the context. Creating such absolute expectation is completely meaningless. A story is a context. If the context is proper and Oda explains it correctly, there will be no problem.
That's what you don't understand. You are not analysing anything. You are not even understanding the story.
You pre-judge in absolute. You apply an absolute expectation on potential contextual narratives. This is can only be destructive and will only hurt your experience.
We will see. As I said, this is literally the last chance to Oda finally exceed readers expectations.
This was just my opinion. You can agree or disagree, and I disagree with yours opinion that you are trying to make as actual truth.
First advice: stop watching porn, especially disgusing porn, because this is the way to became low life, criminal;
Second advice: do something with your life, I really doubt that you are happy person;
Third advice: start reading something, such as Bible or other books that will help your mental problems;
Fourth advice: go to gym, workout, move your body.
This was just building up of Imu's role. not Loki or Luffy. The reason for this is because Imu is Nika too, but Nika who is the God of Destruction, while Luffy is Nika the Savior, Loki is just god of war. You can bet on this, because Imu is not going to fall untill Vivi is captured. BB can absorb him yes, but then he will just return in the Final Arc, while taking BB's life.
Yes it is. Factually it is. Sorry.
Stop analysing story or read One Piece more correctly.
Luffy is currently as strong as Shanks with 1/10th of his time at sea. If Imu is not meant to be a final villain, his age won't matter and you need to accept that. Age don't matter in powerscaling.
Again, I see words, I don't see any logic here.
You are hating because it feels good to hate and because you feel validated by others. It's not proper analysis and you are not the edgy king you think you are.
There is no basis for your argumentation. Your are analysis and appreciating based on your headcanon. You are not even reading, you are pre-disliking.
You completely pre-block yourself (and you are not alone) from even enjoying something in the story. Because there is simply no way to satisfy yourself with something you WANT to be bad.
No. it depends how the context. Creating such absolute expectation is completely meaningless. A story is a context. If the context is proper and Oda explains it correctly, there will be no problem.
That's what you don't understand. You are not analysing anything. You are not even understanding the story.
You pre-judge in absolute. You apply an absolute expectation on potential contextual narratives. This is can only be destructive and will only hurt your experience.
Stop analysing story or read One Piece more correctly.
Luffy is currently as strong as Shanks with 1/10th of his time at sea. If Imu is not meant to be a final villain, his age won't matter and you need to accept that. Age don't matter in powerscaling.
Again, I see words, I don't see any logic here.
You are hating because it feels good to hate and because you feel validated by others. It's not proper analysis and you are not the edgy king you think you are.
There is no basis for your argumentation. Your are analysis and appreciating based on your headcanon. You are not even reading, you are pre-disliking.
You completely pre-block yourself (and you are not alone) from even enjoying something in the story. Because there is simply no way to satisfy yourself with something you WANT to be bad.
No. it depends how the context. Creating such absolute expectation is completely meaningless. A story is a context. If the context is proper and Oda explains it correctly, there will be no problem.
That's what you don't understand. You are not analysing anything. You are not even understanding the story.
You pre-judge in absolute. You apply an absolute expectation on potential contextual narratives. This is can only be destructive and will only hurt your experience.
First advice: stop watching porn, especially disgusing porn, because this is the way to became low life, criminal;
Second advice: do something with your life, I really doubt that you are happy person;
Third advice: start reading something, such as Bible or other books that will help your mental problems;
Fourth advice: go to gym, workout, move your body.
Quick Elbaf recap for you:
Your issue is that you're massively overrating Imu. He's not the FV and he won't matter that much in the final saga (BB victim).
Once Elbaf is over he will lose relevance, just like the Gorosei did after Egghead.
Luffy, BB, Shanks, Buggy > Imu
Once Elbaf is over he will lose relevance, just like the Gorosei did after Egghead.
Luffy, BB, Shanks, Buggy > Imu
No. you guyz are. I'm only replicating. Your opinion is only your opinion when you mention it as such and when it is not used as a scale on a forum/fanbase scale to judge the story and ruin the experiences of others. At one point, your opinion because a system of belief and a system of nuisance.
Not yours per say, the one shared by all the people that, like you, spread hatred of a story without proper analysis or basis.
I don't mind your opinion, I mind the impact it has.
Not yours per say, the one shared by all the people that, like you, spread hatred of a story without proper analysis or basis.
I don't mind your opinion, I mind the impact it has.
No, you are trying to judge other people's opinions, starting to act like a blind fanatic. One Piece is not the Bible, it's not a perfect story. I dropped One Piece once, when Wano arc was going on, and I returned to Egghead because this is what I wanted to see for a long time: real tension etc. But Egghead Island was ruined by Haki-Knot, Vegapank surviving, and much more. I stopped reading manga again and returned to Elfbaf when God's knights appeared. If Oda ruins this arc again, I will have no hope for this story.
I'm telling you this right now: there was no need to summon Imu's real body to just make him retreat in defeat
Downplaying the character of such a great scail has cannot be justified. To make Imu lose the battle, Oda could just use Gunmu, and that's it. Imu could just have more power in Gunko's body and then lose the fight. It will be a nice decision, and no one would argue with it. But summoning real Imu's body for another fake tension doesn't make any sense for the story overall. And this will be enough reason for me to drop One Piece once and for all. Sometimes bad writing is just bad writing.
I'm telling you this right now: there was no need to summon Imu's real body to just make him retreat in defeat
Downplaying the character of such a great scail has cannot be justified. To make Imu lose the battle, Oda could just use Gunmu, and that's it. Imu could just have more power in Gunko's body and then lose the fight. It will be a nice decision, and no one would argue with it. But summoning real Imu's body for another fake tension doesn't make any sense for the story overall. And this will be enough reason for me to drop One Piece once and for all. Sometimes bad writing is just bad writing.
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I think you don't understand who you are talking with. I've been analyzing, enjoying and criticizing One Piece for multiple decades mate. I had time to hate, to enjoy and to rationnalize my love for the story multiple times over in the span you took to even read it. I'm not a simple fan, I'm someone who gets it.
And right now, you don't. And no, it's not "just an opinion", it's a belief system that is crafted through bad reading practices, illegitimates expectations and more than anything the belief that one understands how to analyze storytelling when they actually don't, thus creating false beliefs about the craft that I was already debunking that you did not even know what One Piece was about.
So relax, take a snak on your next chapter, try to just experience what you are reading instead of pre-formating your mind to hate something that is objectively technically amazing.
Now move on.
And right now, you don't. And no, it's not "just an opinion", it's a belief system that is crafted through bad reading practices, illegitimates expectations and more than anything the belief that one understands how to analyze storytelling when they actually don't, thus creating false beliefs about the craft that I was already debunking that you did not even know what One Piece was about.
So relax, take a snak on your next chapter, try to just experience what you are reading instead of pre-formating your mind to hate something that is objectively technically amazing.
Now move on.
It's not the belief of the system that is crafted. I'm a writer too, and I know what it means to write a good character and a good story. And despite the fact that I hate how the Egghead island arc ended, it didn't ruin the story. Emeth was a plot device from the beginning, nothing more. BUT when things like this happen in each arc, this is the bad writing. Instead of consistent writing of the story, Oda chose to make characters dumb, incompetent, and turn them into Stupid dolls(O-Lin is the best example), when he could just deal with things differently. If you put stakes on the high level, just don't ruin the moment of JOY.
This is the same if a girl went on a date with her beloved. Imagine she waited that he will purpose her this time. This happened already a few times before, and her expectations were ruined. He wanted just a good time with her in bed. But this time, everyone was saying this will be the MOMENT. That he was talking about with her mom, her dad...like it seems he is ready. He has money, and he made plans. And imagine, instead of a wedding purpose, he will say that he has to fly to another country and will live there, but wants to meet with her again, and stay in contact with her, and he is waiting for sex with her. What will her reaction be? Society dictated? Or she will become his sex doll that he can have fun and do other things?
Writing a story is hard, actually, you need to dispose of any unnecessary ideas, and write material that is important to the story, to character progression, etc. And from a writing standpoint, I was able to predict how the last chapter should look because Loki was a new hyped up character, Oda couldn't show him losing like Pirate King Wings. One Piece is a rollercoaster, from Lose to Win and then to Lose. But the ending of this arc is important. Oda already ruined Elbaf as Usopp's arc. But if in exchange, we will get real tension and the Final Villain building up, this will be sold for readers as an acceptable choice. But if this arc ends as Nika Piece, no one would ever believe in any tension in the future. Because everything will be ruined by another plot device.
You remember the Usopp Village arc? Why did no one believe that Pirates was coming? Because he shouted it every day, and people stopped even caring about his words. This will be Oda if he ruins this arc. And the reason for that is bad writing.
This is the same if a girl went on a date with her beloved. Imagine she waited that he will purpose her this time. This happened already a few times before, and her expectations were ruined. He wanted just a good time with her in bed. But this time, everyone was saying this will be the MOMENT. That he was talking about with her mom, her dad...like it seems he is ready. He has money, and he made plans. And imagine, instead of a wedding purpose, he will say that he has to fly to another country and will live there, but wants to meet with her again, and stay in contact with her, and he is waiting for sex with her. What will her reaction be? Society dictated? Or she will become his sex doll that he can have fun and do other things?
Writing a story is hard, actually, you need to dispose of any unnecessary ideas, and write material that is important to the story, to character progression, etc. And from a writing standpoint, I was able to predict how the last chapter should look because Loki was a new hyped up character, Oda couldn't show him losing like Pirate King Wings. One Piece is a rollercoaster, from Lose to Win and then to Lose. But the ending of this arc is important. Oda already ruined Elbaf as Usopp's arc. But if in exchange, we will get real tension and the Final Villain building up, this will be sold for readers as an acceptable choice. But if this arc ends as Nika Piece, no one would ever believe in any tension in the future. Because everything will be ruined by another plot device.
You remember the Usopp Village arc? Why did no one believe that Pirates was coming? Because he shouted it every day, and people stopped even caring about his words. This will be Oda if he ruins this arc. And the reason for that is bad writing.
Yes, it is. It is a full belief system.It has all the parameters of one. In fact, my love for the story is one too. But it stands on more than just hatred and fallacious analysis.
Perhaps, but not in this case. You obviously don't understand neither the story of One Piece or its impact. And you definitely don't know how to enjoy it without your illegitimate biases.
Sorry, not to me. (you can keep replying to me all you want, it won't change that, you are not a particular case here, you are just one of a hundred people I talked with about the same exact subject for the same exact reasons)
Everything is a plot device in a story. You should know that. The "plot device" excuse is for people who don't understand how stories are crafted or for people who don't know why a particular element was placed and they don't like it.
This words imply a lack of deepness, which is completely fallacious in your argumentation since Emeth has an element of the story or plot continuation is everything but shallow
Yeah, writer huh? You visibly don't understand neither Big-Mom or One Piece. Stop talking about storytelling.
And I won't even explain why, this should be obvious for you.
First rule of storytelling : Rules can be broken.
Writing a story can be done in many aspect, even through the usage of unecessary ideas. Your vision is the one of someone who learned the rules, but never cared to think outside the box. Especially in the case of non-western stories such as One Piece which have completely different narrative rules.
Plus, there is no reason to speak about "unecessary ideas" here, since the context of this discussion is not based on unecessary elements. Again, you invent your own reasons to dislike the story.
You constructed the idea that Elbaph was Usopp's arc and you were validated in this belief by the fanbase who perpetuating this idea.
You followed the basic western storytelling logic applied to the basic arcs of One Piece implying that if a character is deeply linked to a philosophical conflict or thematic of the arc, therefore said arc MUST revolve around said character. Completely ignoring the fact that other character and similar ties or the fact that Elbaph is not a recrutment arc.
Thus, you ignored the lessons of Wano, Egghead, Water Seven, and many more. Egghead was never created to be the focus of Franky and Wano was never created for Zoro to be central. Oda never told you that Sanji would fight in Whole Cake, or that Fishmen Island would be a complete apocalypse for the strawhats or that Impel down wouldn't be funny or that Zoro would kill Kaido or that Xebec would have a badass death...
YOU (and the fanbase) CONSTRUCTED THESE BELIEFS ON YOUR OWN.
And like any belief, you created a belief system around it, with various sub-belief and ILLEGITIMATE expectations for various character.
This is the result of a pure social construct and the result of people who don't udnerstand the material or do not care enough to look through the subtilities. And trust me I know. I've seen THOUSANDS people like your who created completely narratively baseless beliefs over the years. I know exactly how you do it, I had the time to deeply analyze the phenomenon.
And it's not new. it predates even Marineford.
Perhaps, but not in this case. You obviously don't understand neither the story of One Piece or its impact. And you definitely don't know how to enjoy it without your illegitimate biases.
Sorry, not to me. (you can keep replying to me all you want, it won't change that, you are not a particular case here, you are just one of a hundred people I talked with about the same exact subject for the same exact reasons)
Everything is a plot device in a story. You should know that. The "plot device" excuse is for people who don't understand how stories are crafted or for people who don't know why a particular element was placed and they don't like it.
This words imply a lack of deepness, which is completely fallacious in your argumentation since Emeth has an element of the story or plot continuation is everything but shallow
Yeah, writer huh? You visibly don't understand neither Big-Mom or One Piece. Stop talking about storytelling.
And I won't even explain why, this should be obvious for you.
First rule of storytelling : Rules can be broken.
Writing a story can be done in many aspect, even through the usage of unecessary ideas. Your vision is the one of someone who learned the rules, but never cared to think outside the box. Especially in the case of non-western stories such as One Piece which have completely different narrative rules.
Plus, there is no reason to speak about "unecessary ideas" here, since the context of this discussion is not based on unecessary elements. Again, you invent your own reasons to dislike the story.
You constructed the idea that Elbaph was Usopp's arc and you were validated in this belief by the fanbase who perpetuating this idea.
You followed the basic western storytelling logic applied to the basic arcs of One Piece implying that if a character is deeply linked to a philosophical conflict or thematic of the arc, therefore said arc MUST revolve around said character. Completely ignoring the fact that other character and similar ties or the fact that Elbaph is not a recrutment arc.
Thus, you ignored the lessons of Wano, Egghead, Water Seven, and many more. Egghead was never created to be the focus of Franky and Wano was never created for Zoro to be central. Oda never told you that Sanji would fight in Whole Cake, or that Fishmen Island would be a complete apocalypse for the strawhats or that Impel down wouldn't be funny or that Zoro would kill Kaido or that Xebec would have a badass death...
YOU (and the fanbase) CONSTRUCTED THESE BELIEFS ON YOUR OWN.
And like any belief, you created a belief system around it, with various sub-belief and ILLEGITIMATE expectations for various character.
This is the result of a pure social construct and the result of people who don't udnerstand the material or do not care enough to look through the subtilities. And trust me I know. I've seen THOUSANDS people like your who created completely narratively baseless beliefs over the years. I know exactly how you do it, I had the time to deeply analyze the phenomenon.
And it's not new. it predates even Marineford.
I'm not going to argue with a fanatic. The story shouldn't be based on a plot device. When a story depends on plot devices, this is BAD WRITING. Plot device can be used once-two times, but not in every arc. Plot Device usage means that the author can't write a good story by showing off a logical explanation of finding the way. But again, you are fanatical in your faith in One Piece. You can't recognize what Bad writing means. But as a consequence of this, you start to criticize Oda's story for different things, which are obvious, because again you are blind. You don't get any emotions from reading, because you know it's a fake story.
You are the only "fanatic" here mate. Just not in the way you think.
You know that what you just said is completely absurd, right?
EVERYTHING in a story is a plot device ! Really, stop talking.
Plot devices are what we call every tools of storytelling genius.
- An outline is a plot device
- A line is a plot device
- The situation is a plot device
- Characters are plot devices
- A weapon in a scene is a plot device
- A relationship between characters is a plot device
- A scene is a plot device
EVERYTHING is a plot device in a story.
"It's a Plot device" is the term used by people who don't know how to define things they don't like or feel as too shallow in stories. It has absolutely no meanings whatsoever.
Dude, I have critics of One Piece you wouldn't even think of. Your critics are not surprising, they are not even new.
Relax and humble.
Take a snack and listen to some music during your next chapter experience and perhaps you will start to feel something else rather than the void created by your pre-critics and bad expectations.
Ffs
You know that what you just said is completely absurd, right?
EVERYTHING in a story is a plot device ! Really, stop talking.
Plot devices are what we call every tools of storytelling genius.
- An outline is a plot device
- A line is a plot device
- The situation is a plot device
- Characters are plot devices
- A weapon in a scene is a plot device
- A relationship between characters is a plot device
- A scene is a plot device
EVERYTHING is a plot device in a story.
"It's a Plot device" is the term used by people who don't know how to define things they don't like or feel as too shallow in stories. It has absolutely no meanings whatsoever.
Dude, I have critics of One Piece you wouldn't even think of. Your critics are not surprising, they are not even new.
Relax and humble.
Take a snack and listen to some music during your next chapter experience and perhaps you will start to feel something else rather than the void created by your pre-critics and bad expectations.
Ffs
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Ok, maybe I misspelled what I mean by Plot Device - Bad Plot Device usage:
A plot device is a narrative technique, object, or event in storytelling designed to move the story forward, initiate action, or resolve dilemmas. Effective devices arise naturally, while poor ones feel contrived. Common examples include the MacGuffin (object pursued, like in LOTR), cliffhangers, and red herrings.
Characteristics of Plot Devices:
A plot device is a narrative technique, object, or event in storytelling designed to move the story forward, initiate action, or resolve dilemmas. Effective devices arise naturally, while poor ones feel contrived. Common examples include the MacGuffin (object pursued, like in LOTR), cliffhangers, and red herrings.
Characteristics of Plot Devices:
- Purpose: They exist to propel the narrative, create tension, or bridge gaps in logic.
- Nature: They can be physical items, character actions, or unexpected events.
- Risk: If used poorly or too frequently, they feel forced, resulting in "cliché" or "contrived" storytelling.
- Effectiveness: Good plot devices are organic, stemming from character decisions and the established world rather than appearing randomly
You're practically illiterate dude, shut up lol
Reading things you type (not the stuff you copy) is actually challenging to read because it's so fragmented and put together like patchwork. You also use colorful language which is common for people who lack strong writing skills.
I don't honestly want to see you talking about plot devices when you can barely string together a competent sentence structure.
Reading things you type (not the stuff you copy) is actually challenging to read because it's so fragmented and put together like patchwork. You also use colorful language which is common for people who lack strong writing skills.
I don't honestly want to see you talking about plot devices when you can barely string together a competent sentence structure.