Powers & Abilities Loki isn't in Hybrid, because his Hybrid is like Gear 5: After Using his Hybrid he can't Fight for Several Minutes

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

This just kind of struck me today, and it's by far the most logical explanation for why Loki isn't in Hybrid as of 1181.

I think Loki's Full Zoan and Hybrid forms are like Gear 4/5: he can't use them without exhausting a lot of his stamina.

(I believe the energy Devil Fruits use is Haki, which is why Gear 4/5 and other Awakenings like Law and Kidd's drain you, and why Law and Kidd don't have strong Haki: their fruits take up too much of it).

Loki and Luffy are both Sun Gods, so them having a similar cooldown fits, and we have narrative evidence for this cooldown existing, already.

Loki is already a massive individual, who wields a ton of power.

He was an absolute monster before gaining Ragnir and Nidhoggr.

Using both of these Fruits at once just drains him, and he's seriously injured, anyway.

After Loki uses his Hybrid, he'll most likely be out of commission for a while.

I expect this is when outside forces will arrive, since the rest of the new world is not going to let the world government just take over the island, knowing how much of a pain, it would be for the world government to actually rule Elbaph.

Once Loki goes down, other top tiers will show up. Dragon, Shanks, Cross Guild, maybe even Kaido and Linlin.

I believe that this cooldown is absolutely necessary, because Loki just breaks the entire verse without this limiter.

This also quells some arguments against Loki joining the crew.

If he can only use his Zoan forms sparingly, and can't use Haki afterwards, Sanji and Zoro legitimately have a chance to match his power, because both of those characters have no cooldowns.

I'd imagine Zoro is in charge of helping Luffy when his cooldowns kick in, and that Sanji will aid Loki with his cooldowns, since they have similar storylines with their parent's death, mother's love, rejection by their biological parent, and and aspect of them that makes others view them as inhuman (Sanji exoskeleton, Loki eyes).

I doubt Loki will join the crew anytime soon if he does it all, but his Zoan forms draining his Haki and forcing him into cooldowns like Luffy's Gear 4/5 do open up the possibility of him joining in the future.

Loki realizes how strong Nerona Imu is, and is saving his Hybrid Zoan for when he truly needs it.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Yall can't read a simple Manga. Holy fuck.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Loki was confused by Luffy's form post-G5 so while being fuckhuge might consume more energy, I don't think he has this kind of drawback.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Loki was confused by Luffy's form post-G5 so while being fuckhuge might consume more energy, I don't think he has this kind of drawback.

Oh, yeah, i don't mean he's gonna turn into an old man or anything.

More like Luffy after using gear four against Doffy in Dressrosa.

Just him but tired.

 

[Dragon777]

It's not impossibile that he has some kind of time limit.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

No hybird form shown yet has limitations like that though. Its more likely that in awakening loki can have same weakness.

Unlike hybrid his full zoan form is too big so its understandable why that form consumes much more energy.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

He finished Harald in his base form after using his hybrid. So he should be able to keep fighting unless Oda wants to have fun.

 

[TheD.]

Most likely case

Only reason for him to not be using it is either this or Odas just saving it for a Cool double spread with him and gear 5 luffy

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

No hybird form shown yet has limitations like that though. Its more likely that in awakening loki can have same weakness.

Unlike hybrid his full zoan form is too big so its understandable why that form consumes much more energy.

We saw hybrid Loki silhouette, it's bigger than Harald but not to the point of dwarfing him, at most hybrid makes Loki 2 times bigger i'd say. Not comparable to full beast

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

No hybird form shown yet has limitations like that though. Its more likely that in awakening loki can have same weakness.

Unlike hybrid his full zoan form is too big so its understandable why that form consumes much more energy.

I just don't know what luffy's hybrid form is.

Like... is Gear 4 Hybrid? Is Gear 5 Full Zoan? But shouldn't the hybrid be stronger? Can Gear 5 still turn into Gear 4 forms?

Then the other question I have is, how big is Loki's hybrid? Is it closer to loki size? Or Nidhoggr size? Those are two very different sizes.

Gear 5 Giant Luffy is seen here on Full Zoan Loki. Then, here's Luffy at his normal size, eating with Loki and Ragnir

We have also just seen another God level character, Nerona Imu, increase their size. Another supernova in Urouge also possesses this ability.

It is entirely possible that loki can somewhat control the size of his hybrid form.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

He finished Harald in his base form after using his hybrid. So he should be able to keep fighting unless Oda wants to have fun.

This would be like Luffy turning Gear 4 off after fighting before Onigashima.

Loki is above Luffy in that he can turn off his Zoan willingly, while Luffy pushes it to the end.

I think if Loki fights seriously for long enough in his Zoan forms, we'll see him unable to move like gear four in Dressrosa.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Can we agree that "zoan form costing stamina" is one of the laziest shit Oda came up with cause he can't balance for shit? The whole point of zoan is increased physical stats, INCLUDING endurance.
Only exception until G5 was Chopper's monster form, but that's because he has to use a drug to force this form, it's not something he could do naturally.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Can we agree that "zoan form costing stamina" is one of the laziest shit Oda came up with cause he can't balance for shit? The whole point of zoan is increased physical stats, INCLUDING endurance.
Only exception until G5 was Chopper's monster form, but that's because he has to use a drug to force this form, it's not something he could do naturally.

I think the stamina is just Haki. And that's why law and kidd both have shit haki.

If the excuse is just stamina, though, that is ridiculous.

The reason Luffy took so long to develop Haki is because his Fruit just BURNS Haki, IMO. Same reason Luffy couldn't punch to save his life when he first got his fruit. Giant Haki drain.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Can we agree that "zoan form costing stamina" is one of the laziest shit Oda came up with cause he can't balance for shit? The whole point of zoan is increased physical stats, INCLUDING endurance.
Only exception until G5 was Chopper's monster form, but that's because he has to use a drug to force this form, it's not something he could do naturally.

This is how oda writes luffy's power ups. In pre skip there was a time limit for G2. In post skip same for G4 and G5. I can understand if G2 and G4 has timelimits as they doesn't fall under normal usage of his base DF but it makes no sense why G5 awakening will have such a drawback given zoan awakenings were said to do reverse in pre skip.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

I just don't know what luffy's hybrid form is.

Like... is Gear 4 Hybrid? Is Gear 5 Full Zoan? But shouldn't the hybrid be stronger? Can Gear 5 still turn into Gear 4 forms?

Then the other question I have is, how big is Loki's hybrid? Is it closer to loki size? Or Nidhoggr size? Those are two very different sizes.

Gear 5 Giant Luffy is seen here on Full Zoan Loki. Then, here's Luffy at his normal size, eating with Loki and Ragnir

We have also just seen another God level character, Nerona Imu, increase their size. Another supernova in Urouge also possesses this ability.

It is entirely possible that loki can somewhat control the size of his hybrid form.

About luffy's zoan forms its bit tricky as luffy's DF was retconned from paramecia to a zoan. Logically luffy's hybrid and full zoan coincides with each other in base as the model is human mode. Think of it like luffy is always in his hybrid/full mode.

Though yeah logically luffy should have a hybrid and full mode.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

About luffy's zoan forms its bit tricky as luffy's DF was retconned from paramecia to a zoan. Logically luffy's hybrid and full zoan coincides with each other in base as the model is human mode. Think of it like luffy is always in his hybrid/full mode.

Though yeah logically luffy should have a hybrid and full mode.

It's so funny to me that we've known what Luffy's fruit is now for 2 arcs, and we still have no idea how the fuck it actually works.



Edit: i think it's clear at this point that mythical zoan awakenings have an entirely different set of rules than regular ones.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

It's so funny to me that we've known what Luffy's fruit is now for 2 arcs, and we still have no idea how the fuck it actually works.



Edit: i think it's clear at this point that mythical zoan awakenings have an entirely different set of rules than regular ones.

Its simply side effect of luffy's DF being retconned to a zoan one imo. Kaido had all 3 modes. Yamato had all 3 modes. Marco has shown all 3 modes. All 3 are mythical zoans.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

I just don't know what luffy's hybrid form is.

Like... is Gear 4 Hybrid? Is Gear 5 Full Zoan? But shouldn't the hybrid be stronger? Can Gear 5 still turn into Gear 4 forms?

>Luffy is always in full zoan form.
>His G2-G4 are his hybrid forms.
>Gear 5 is his awakening form where he takes the full appearance of Nika.
>Yes, Gear 5 Luffy can use his G4 hybrid forms. And is apparently capable of partial transformations like Marco. Bajrang Gun is him using G4 in Gear 5.