Questions & Mysteries Do you agree with Dragon Ball Editor, Torishima’s criticism of modern One Piece
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If it's a devil's deal, Imu has even more chances to take over walking corpse than alive one mate. It's the devil after all.
But then again. What happen can be explained in multiple ways without talking about death itself. They could have been on the brink of life itself. Domi reversi ending them all together. Or they could just be knock out. We don't actually have confirmed death, you guyz are jumping on conclusions all over the place.
But then again. What happen can be explained in multiple ways without talking about death itself. They could have been on the brink of life itself. Domi reversi ending them all together. Or they could just be knock out. We don't actually have confirmed death, you guyz are jumping on conclusions all over the place.
A part of the Domi Reversi pact is that the recipient loses a portion of their lifespan in exchange for increased strength. How would that work for a corpse, which has no lifespan to give?
How would DR finish them off? It does no physical damage to them, and they should revert back to full health when the DR versions of themselves are killed. The context of the scene implies that the Davies were killed by Xebec. It would diminish the scene if Oda revealed in an SBS that they were actually alive, but just unconscious and got killed off later on by someone else
How would DR finish them off? It does no physical damage to them, and they should revert back to full health when the DR versions of themselves are killed. The context of the scene implies that the Davies were killed by Xebec. It would diminish the scene if Oda revealed in an SBS that they were actually alive, but just unconscious and got killed off later on by someone else
There wouldn't be any need for a deal at all. Again, it's the Devil, the King of the deads.
Simple, let's say that you wound them enough so that they are just near death door and then, you make the deal. This is actually what Imu did with Brogy - I believe - to force his will to bend. If they are near death door, ending DR will kill them since the life span taken away was precisely what kept them alive in the first place.
The context of the scene implies that he took them down. The guy was completely bonker, it's completely possible that he never stopped even after the end of Domi reversi OR it's possible that they are just down as in, lying KO on the ground.
Really you guyz are trying to cherry pick something that really does not matter in anyway and can be explained in SOO many different ways. You are wasting your time and the problem is that it's always like that.
You guyz have so little to complain about that it's always about minuscule details, that look bad when we don't pay attention but can actually be explained quite easily.
And them being unconscious would actually be a good thing for Xebec as it would mean that he saved them. But the island was completely destroyed, so i'm sorry but they are dead in the depth of the water mate.
Simple, let's say that you wound them enough so that they are just near death door and then, you make the deal. This is actually what Imu did with Brogy - I believe - to force his will to bend. If they are near death door, ending DR will kill them since the life span taken away was precisely what kept them alive in the first place.
The context of the scene implies that he took them down. The guy was completely bonker, it's completely possible that he never stopped even after the end of Domi reversi OR it's possible that they are just down as in, lying KO on the ground.
Really you guyz are trying to cherry pick something that really does not matter in anyway and can be explained in SOO many different ways. You are wasting your time and the problem is that it's always like that.
You guyz have so little to complain about that it's always about minuscule details, that look bad when we don't pay attention but can actually be explained quite easily.
And them being unconscious would actually be a good thing for Xebec as it would mean that he saved them. But the island was completely destroyed, so i'm sorry but they are dead in the depth of the water mate.
This guy was Toriyama’s main editor and basically shaped nearly all of the most memorable moments in DB
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Apparently Androids 19 and 20 were going to be the main villains of the Android arc, but his editor made him change it because he didn't think an "Old Guy and a Fat Clown were boss material. then when you changed it to 17 and 18, Torishima made him change it again to Cell. because 17 and 18 were "Brats".
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Exactly
That is what happen when you meet someone who actually cares how people write good stories
No, they precisely have to think according to their character. And right now, you are not reasonning based on their characterization but on how you THINK they should behave based on their status.
Imu is someone who makes gamble and who takes risks, I already pointed that out in another thread. His power is based on the notion of fear and complete control, as such he always act in the principle that he is above all. Not in an Enel way where he is trying to convince himself that he is a god foolishly by trying to control the population, no. Imu KNOWS that he is the god of this world and that this simple fact is just a natural consequence of what he thinks to be his fate.
In other words, like Luffy and at the exception of Joyboy, Imu has no fears. His outer shell is like Kaido's, impenetrable. He knows his strenght and his power and until a few hours ago, he though that he shouldn't even have to move to take action.
On top of that, he is a very despicable person and seems to believe that anyone below outside of his circle is worthless. So it's perfectly logical for him to use Xebec to kill his wife or to fight Garp and Roger. He will not attack himself, he prefers to let others do the job for him.
That is what happen when you meet someone who actually cares how people write good stories
No, they precisely have to think according to their character. And right now, you are not reasonning based on their characterization but on how you THINK they should behave based on their status.
Imu is someone who makes gamble and who takes risks, I already pointed that out in another thread. His power is based on the notion of fear and complete control, as such he always act in the principle that he is above all. Not in an Enel way where he is trying to convince himself that he is a god foolishly by trying to control the population, no. Imu KNOWS that he is the god of this world and that this simple fact is just a natural consequence of what he thinks to be his fate.
In other words, like Luffy and at the exception of Joyboy, Imu has no fears. His outer shell is like Kaido's, impenetrable. He knows his strenght and his power and until a few hours ago, he though that he shouldn't even have to move to take action.
On top of that, he is a very despicable person and seems to believe that anyone below outside of his circle is worthless. So it's perfectly logical for him to use Xebec to kill his wife or to fight Garp and Roger. He will not attack himself, he prefers to let others do the job for him.
Any non shonen writers will tell you that you that writing characters without flaws, weaknesses and bad choices of judgment is akin to writing machine like characters.
The shonen genre is the rare one where writers can actually do that for protagonist because the structure is often different and the genre doesn't so much plays on the weaknesses of the characters but their actual goals. Usually they allow the story to go inside the heads of the characters and play on the counter attacks of the adversaries. In other words, for most shonen, battle are a chess game.
But One Piece actually go the opposite way and use a much more western approach. Battles are used for narration, usually to depict the emotion of the characters and to make the final "dot" on the sentence of the protagonists. Battles are rarily a spectacle of wits or techniques in One Piece there are exceptions of course (the amazing Luffy vs katakuri for ex) but its rare.
And you can check that very easily, in One Piece, you will have a LOT LESS inner thoughts. In fact we almost NEVER hear the thoughts of Luffy. Luffy expresses everything directly.
If you strip your antagonist or protagonist from flaws in combat, you transform them into this (the red one):
Yes. It CAN be good (it is in this case). But it is also a choice that will completely destroy the potential to create a more human-like character. The character will be efficient, but they will be cold, emotionless. Until you make them break.
Oda seems to prefer to humanize all his characters, even the bad one. They are not super-humans who can think at the speed of light, they just have some kind of powers. They are not perfect, they are not completely efficient, they will make errors of judgment, they will jump into the danger without thinking, even the most intelligent ones. In other words, they are relatables.
The shonen genre is the rare one where writers can actually do that for protagonist because the structure is often different and the genre doesn't so much plays on the weaknesses of the characters but their actual goals. Usually they allow the story to go inside the heads of the characters and play on the counter attacks of the adversaries. In other words, for most shonen, battle are a chess game.
But One Piece actually go the opposite way and use a much more western approach. Battles are used for narration, usually to depict the emotion of the characters and to make the final "dot" on the sentence of the protagonists. Battles are rarily a spectacle of wits or techniques in One Piece there are exceptions of course (the amazing Luffy vs katakuri for ex) but its rare.
And you can check that very easily, in One Piece, you will have a LOT LESS inner thoughts. In fact we almost NEVER hear the thoughts of Luffy. Luffy expresses everything directly.
If you strip your antagonist or protagonist from flaws in combat, you transform them into this (the red one):
Yes. It CAN be good (it is in this case). But it is also a choice that will completely destroy the potential to create a more human-like character. The character will be efficient, but they will be cold, emotionless. Until you make them break.
Oda seems to prefer to humanize all his characters, even the bad one. They are not super-humans who can think at the speed of light, they just have some kind of powers. They are not perfect, they are not completely efficient, they will make errors of judgment, they will jump into the danger without thinking, even the most intelligent ones. In other words, they are relatables.
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Exactly
That is what happen when you meet someone who actually cares how people write good stories
No, they precisely have to think according to their character. And right now, you are not reasonning based on their characterization but on how you THINK they should behave based on their status.
Imu is someone who makes gamble and who takes risks, I already pointed that out in another thread. His power is based on the notion of fear and complete control, as such he always act in the principle that he is above all. Not in an Enel way where he is trying to convince himself that he is a god foolishly by trying to control the population, no. Imu KNOWS that he is the god of this world and that this simple fact is just a natural consequence of what he thinks to be his fate.
In other words, like Luffy and at the exception of Joyboy, Imu has no fears. His outer shell is like Kaido's, impenetrable. He knows his strenght and his power and until a few hours ago, he though that he shouldn't even have to move to take action.
On top of that, he is a very despicable person and seems to believe that anyone below outside of his circle is worthless. So it's perfectly logical for him to use Xebec to kill his wife or to fight Garp and Roger. He will not attack himself, he prefers to let others do the job for him.
That is what happen when you meet someone who actually cares how people write good stories
No, they precisely have to think according to their character. And right now, you are not reasonning based on their characterization but on how you THINK they should behave based on their status.
Imu is someone who makes gamble and who takes risks, I already pointed that out in another thread. His power is based on the notion of fear and complete control, as such he always act in the principle that he is above all. Not in an Enel way where he is trying to convince himself that he is a god foolishly by trying to control the population, no. Imu KNOWS that he is the god of this world and that this simple fact is just a natural consequence of what he thinks to be his fate.
In other words, like Luffy and at the exception of Joyboy, Imu has no fears. His outer shell is like Kaido's, impenetrable. He knows his strenght and his power and until a few hours ago, he though that he shouldn't even have to move to take action.
On top of that, he is a very despicable person and seems to believe that anyone below outside of his circle is worthless. So it's perfectly logical for him to use Xebec to kill his wife or to fight Garp and Roger. He will not attack himself, he prefers to let others do the job for him.
In other words, like Luffy and at the exception of Joyboy, Imu has no fears. His outer shell is like Kaido's, impenetrable. He knows his strenght and his power and until a few hours ago, he though that he shouldn't even have to move to take action.
On top of that, he is a very despicable person and seems to believe that anyone below outside of his circle is worthless. So it's perfectly logical for him to use Xebec to kill his wife or to fight Garp and Roger. He will not attack himself, he prefers to let others do the job for him.
On top of that, he is a very despicable person and seems to believe that anyone below outside of his circle is worthless. So it's perfectly logical for him to use Xebec to kill his wife or to fight Garp and Roger. He will not attack himself, he prefers to let others do the job for him.
Imu is someone who is currently planning on sinking the entire world, of mostly billions of fodder who don't break any laws, but we're supposed to take seriously the idea that Imu couldn't spare a couple of minutes on God Valley to kill..... major enemies of the Government, lol?
Because Luffy is just Luffy, not joyboy. Joyboy was not joyboy because of his fruit but who he was (at least according to the story). And Imu was affected by him because of his character.
Imu will not go after every D. he sees. He will keep an eye on them, but he doesn't consider them as a serious menace it seems. But The Davy clan seemed to have rather sensible informations about the world targetting directly Imu's power. As such, they became a direct threat, bigger even that the ohara people.
That's literally what I said.
Again, they are not a threat for him.
Imu will not go after every D. he sees. He will keep an eye on them, but he doesn't consider them as a serious menace it seems. But The Davy clan seemed to have rather sensible informations about the world targetting directly Imu's power. As such, they became a direct threat, bigger even that the ohara people.
That's literally what I said.
Again, they are not a threat for him.
