Speculations How strong will Zoro and Sanji be at the end of Elbaph?

[Dark Knight Sanji]

Given we know who Zoro and Sanji are facing, how strong do you think they will both be at end of Elbaph?

Also bonus question, who will be strong enough to face them in the next arc?

Conservative guess:- Zoro (mid top tier, one below Mihawk)
Sanji (low top tier, on par with Old Gaban/Rayleigh)

 

[SkySanji]

Will they need a powerup to beat Super Sommers/Killingham? Pretty embarrassing if so.

Either they end up slightly stronger than they are now, so still YC+ level or they reach/come close to old Gaban/Rayleigh.

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

Will they need a powerup to beat Super Super Sommers/Killingham? Pretty embarrassing if so.

Either they end up slightly stronger than they are now, so still YC+ level or they reach/come close to old Gaban/Rayleigh.

Sanji definitely needs ACoC / equivalent power to deal with the holy knights and the fact that they are imu bumped shouldnt be discounted. Imu probably increases their strength tenfold.

 

[RiShin]

Still one shot material to Imu, seeing how super holy knights are weak sauce and they are definitely gonna get a PU. Espically Sanji and Zoro will have a better understanding of his advance CoC.

 

[Blax Blah]

Will they need a powerup to beat Super Super Sommers/Killingham? Pretty embarrassing if so.

Either they end up slightly stronger than they are now, so still YC+ level or they reach/come close to old Gaban/Rayleigh.

Yeah, before I was thinking they would be admiral level after Elbaf, but the knights are so bad

 

[Raiden7]

Same level of old gyaban/old ray. So low top tier able to keep up with yonko level character but not to win.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

There is a power gap between Yamato/current Zoro/Law/Kidd level and old garp/Ray/Gaban level.

Depending on whether they get any power ups they can be anywhere from inbetween the above mentioned power gap to low top tier level.

 

[Nagasaki]

I've already lost my patience with Zoro. They're on the same level, in the lowest category of the topic, YC1+.

 

[Royal Kick]

Yes.

 

[kekaro]

Three fiddy

 

[Bad English]

They will be yonko right hand man lvl, trust me.

 

[Rumble]

Prime Rayleigh and Gaban are Emperor level, dummy.

Post Elbaph, Zoro and Sanji will be Admiral level.

 

[Wh1p]

Low top tier

 

[Royal Kick]

In all seriousness, I can see Sanji reaching low Admiral level (Ryokugyu) and Zoro reaching high Admiral level (Kuzan).

 

[pg13]

Given we know who Zoro and Sanji are facing, how strong do you think they will both be at end of Elbaph?

Also bonus question, who will be strong enough to face them in the next arc?

Conservative guess:- Zoro (mid top tier, one below Mihawk)
Sanji (low top tier, on par with Old Gaban/Rayleigh)

It makes more sense that Zoro moves into that Old Man Tier with Gaban/Rayleigh/Garp & Sengoku

Sanji will move into Yamato’s Tier which is actually not far from old man trio tier.

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

It makes more sense that Zoro moves into that Old Man Tier with Gaban/Rayleigh/Garp & Sengoku

Sanji will move into Yamato’s Tier which is actually not far from old man trio tier.

I already think Sanji should be approaching YC+ tier if not already. The only step is that he surpasses Old Gaban at the end of elbaph. Plus we are approaching end game here, we will get an astronomic jump in power. Luffy is going to be ready to fight Imu soon, there is no way his wings should be dawdling at YC+ tier.

 

[pg13]

I already think Sanji should be approaching YC+ tier if not already. The only step is that he surpasses Old Gaban at the end of elbaph. Plus we are approaching end game here, we will get an astronomic jump in power. Luffy is going to be ready to fight Imu soon, there is no way his wings should be dawdling at YC+ tier.

Sanjis in that YC1 Tier Forsure But Yamato Tier? I don’t think we’ve Sanji in that range yet. You realize Yamato is a Mythical Zoan with Advanced Conquerors Haki right?

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Benchmark for the wings this arc is Prime Ray/Gaban imo.
Earlier this arc Gaban scolded Zoro with regard to the standard he has to be at in order to be able to support his Yonko captain in Luffy knowing full well what is in store for them this arc as well as at the end of their journey. He's been there and done that with Roger already, been on GV, seen the atrocity that was Imu, and even fought HK Harald and then to put the icing on the cake we quite literally had Imu descend on Elbaf and swift diff the wings so imo Gaban here is telling the wings to catch up to their predecessors (i.e. him and Ray) and tbh jusst looking at the sheer stakes of this arc, anything less would be underwhelming imo.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Benchmark for the wings this arc is Prime Ray/Gaban imo.
Earlier this arc Gaban scolded Zoro with regard to the standard he has to be at in order to be able to support his Yonko captain in Luffy knowing full well what is in store for them this arc as well as at the end of their journey. He's been there and done that with Roger already, been on GV, seen the atrocity that was Imu, and even fought HK Harald and then to put the icing on the cake we quite literally had Imu descend on Elbaf and swift diff the wings so imo Gaban here is telling the wings to catch up to their predecessors (i.e. him and Ray) and tbh jusst looking at the sheer stakes of this arc, anything less would be underwhelming imo.

That feels like an incredibly high benchmark imo. I mean old Ray was enough to scare off Blackbeard on Amazon Lily so I feel like Wings matching Ray/Gaban in their primes is a bit much right now.

I figured their current benchmarks were Dory and Brogy

 

[PuckTheGreat]

That feels like an incredibly high benchmark imo. I mean old Ray was enough to scare off Blackbeard on Amazon Lily so I feel like Wings matching Ray/Gaban in their primes is a bit much right now.

I figured their current benchmarks were Dory and Brogy

Ray was able to scare of Teach bcoz of his pedigree and not necessarily his strength at the time and Ray himself even admitted that he wouldn't be able to beat Teach at his current level. Teach at the point was arguably the weakest Yonko.

Also as strong as Prime Ray and Prime Gaban were, the standard they were at was for Roger the PK. Luffy is going to go one step further being the reincarnation of joy boy so Prime Ray/ Prime Gaban is the wings floor.

Moreover, there is no point in Oda having Imu absolutely embarass the wings only for them to be getting swift diff after their PUs this arc. At the very least it shouldn't be a one tap in similar scenarios and shit like YC+, Yamato level, Old man level etc aren't going to cut it.

Lastly Yasheen you cannot be serious with the Dorry Broggy ting surely?
Current Zoro and Sanji are stronger than those two or do you mean bounty benchmark?