Discussion Power Unpopular opinion: Despite ranking Ulquiora was the strongest Espada
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I never said Shinji without his mask dominated Grimmjow, you're gleefully exposing your own illiteracy here.
Yeah he was pressured by mask-less Shikai Shinji and was damaged by that Shinji before IQ diffing his Shikai. This is infinitely more than Grimmjow could even dream of doing, he legitimately can't even stand in Aizen's presence.
Yeah he was pressured by mask-less Shikai Shinji and was damaged by that Shinji before IQ diffing his Shikai. This is infinitely more than Grimmjow could even dream of doing, he legitimately can't even stand in Aizen's presence.
I mean base shinji and base shinji with his mask are 2 different things altogether. Masked shinji did same as hollow masked ichigo did which proves my point that bankai ichigo with hollow mask is comparable to vizard captains with their mask not taking their bankai into account. Shinji happens to have broken shikai unlike love and rose. So the point remains bankai ichigo with mask being comparable to shikai love or rose with their mask.
And R1 ulquiorra performed much better than released starrk against same caliber of fighters. For that matter love and rose had timelimit unlike ulquiorra fight ichigo when it comes to mask usage.
Shinji was one shot material for aizen and he got negged in group fight. Shinji hax does makes him stronger but again we are talking about stats here.
And R1 ulquiorra performed much better than released starrk against same caliber of fighters. For that matter love and rose had timelimit unlike ulquiorra fight ichigo when it comes to mask usage.
Shinji was one shot material for aizen and he got negged in group fight. Shinji hax does makes him stronger but again we are talking about stats here.
I never said base form Shinji I said base Zanpakuto Shinji. It's not my problem if you can't read. No they didn't do the same, base Grimmjow actually could compete with Masked Bankai Ichigo. And either way, just because two characters can stomp someone doesn't make them equal. And again, this is base Zanpakuto Shinji, not Shikai and not Bankai, unlike Ichigo. Love and Rose did well against Starrk who would finger diff Grimmjow while in base form, basic scaling already dictates Love/Rose > Grimmjow.
I do not care to argue with you about Starrk and Ulquiorra, I already did it and your answer was just to ignore the many statements the manga gives you and solely focus on feats, while also ignoring that the protagonist's fights are always more fleshed out and feat heavy than side-characters.
Shinji pressured and damaged Aizen, key distinction on that last part, you need to overcome your opponent's Reiatsu to damage them as proven by the Kenpachi and Ichigo fight.
I do not care to argue with you about Starrk and Ulquiorra, I already did it and your answer was just to ignore the many statements the manga gives you and solely focus on feats, while also ignoring that the protagonist's fights are always more fleshed out and feat heavy than side-characters.
Shinji pressured and damaged Aizen, key distinction on that last part, you need to overcome your opponent's Reiatsu to damage them as proven by the Kenpachi and Ichigo fight.
Are masked shinji and base shinji the same? Do they have same power level? Stop being a clown bro. Soon you will say base grimmjow is same as resurrection grimmjow.
Masked shinji didn't perform better than masked ichigo did. They performed the same. Base grimmjow was able to react to masked shinji where as a much stronger hollow masked bankai ichigo could barely react to R1 ulquiorra.
Bringing shinji's hax is meaningless. In stats he is fodder to aizen was negged once his shikai hax was negated.
Masked shinji didn't perform better than masked ichigo did. They performed the same. Base grimmjow was able to react to masked shinji where as a much stronger hollow masked bankai ichigo could barely react to R1 ulquiorra.
Bringing shinji's hax is meaningless. In stats he is fodder to aizen was negged once his shikai hax was negated.
You're attacking a phantom that you yourself created from your inability to read, this is shameful.
Base Grimmjow was utterly helpless against base Zanpakuto Shinji. Base Grimmjow was not helpless against Masked Bankai Ichigo. They didn't do the same.
All I said was Shinji shits on Grimmjow, you're the one that started goal post moving by bringing up stats. Again, this is just another phantom of yours that you're doing battle with right now.
Mask-less Shinji pressured and damaged Aizen.
Weak knees Grimmjow can't even stand if Aizen is within a mile of him.
There are levels to this.
Base Grimmjow was utterly helpless against base Zanpakuto Shinji. Base Grimmjow was not helpless against Masked Bankai Ichigo. They didn't do the same.
All I said was Shinji shits on Grimmjow, you're the one that started goal post moving by bringing up stats. Again, this is just another phantom of yours that you're doing battle with right now.
Mask-less Shinji pressured and damaged Aizen.
Weak knees Grimmjow can't even stand if Aizen is within a mile of him.
There are levels to this.
You repeating same thing doesn't make it true at all.
Aizen murked shinji in 1v 4 fight. Try again.
Aizen murked shinji in 1v 4 fight. Try again.
You could put a million Grimmjows in the captain's places there and he would be smushed into the pavement from Aizen's aura alone. Shinji at least pressured and damaged Aizen, Grimmjow has to crawl in his presence.
And I never denied shinji's hax potency. Outside of that he is fodder to aizen same as grimmjow. In terms of stats masked shinji and released grimmjow bare minimum should be on same level. Both masked unmastered ichigo in bankai and masked shinji in base performed the same against one handed grimmjow. Ichigo goes to become even stronger from getting destroyed by base ulquiorra in bankai to putting up a better fight in round 2.
So no matter which way look at it , ichigo fight ulquiorra with his mask and bankai bare minimum is comparable to masked love and rose not taking their bankai's into account and R1 ulquiorra performed far better than starrk against similar level of opponent.
So no matter which way look at it , ichigo fight ulquiorra with his mask and bankai bare minimum is comparable to masked love and rose not taking their bankai's into account and R1 ulquiorra performed far better than starrk against similar level of opponent.
Both being fodder to Aizen does not make them equal, you can fit a thousand tiers in power between Grimmjow and Aizen. Mask-less Shinji pressured and damaged Aizen, Grimmjow is a literal insect to Aizen, Aizen actively has to hold back his power so as to not accidentally crush the bug named Grimmjow.
Res Starrk is >>> Res Ulquiorra, and Ulquiorra completely shit on Bankai Masked Ichigo whereas Love and Rose did far, far better against Res Starrk.
Res Starrk is >>> Res Ulquiorra, and Ulquiorra completely shit on Bankai Masked Ichigo whereas Love and Rose did far, far better against Res Starrk.
Shinji without his haxed shikai was nothing more than a fodder who lost in 4v1 fight at the end. So again for the 100th time by stats they are shown to be comparable. Grimmjow could react to masked shinji's attacks in base. In resurrection given the power boost , he 101% does better.
No. R1 Ulquiorra >> Res. Starrk by feats.
No. R1 Ulquiorra >> Res. Starrk by feats.
You're just coping, Shinji's hax doesn't allow him to overcome Aizen's Reiatsu and damage him, you don't understand how the Bleach energy system works.
Either way, pressurring Aizen and damaging him is countless time greater than anything Grimmjow can dream of doing.
You're a biased dumbass, every single fucking statement in the manga puts Starrk as far above Ulquiorra, even Ulquiorra himself puts Starrk above him. Not wasting any more time on you if you're just going to ignore the manga in favor of which character you like more.
Either way, pressurring Aizen and damaging him is countless time greater than anything Grimmjow can dream of doing.
You're a biased dumbass, every single fucking statement in the manga puts Starrk as far above Ulquiorra, even Ulquiorra himself puts Starrk above him. Not wasting any more time on you if you're just going to ignore the manga in favor of which character you like more.
You're just coping, Shinji's hax doesn't allow him to overcome Aizen's Reiatsu and damage him, you don't understand how the Bleach energy system works.
Either way, pressurring Aizen and damaging him is countless time greater than anything Grimmjow can dream of doing.
You're a biased dumbass, every single fucking statement in the manga puts Starrk as far above Ulquiorra, even Ulquiorra himself puts Starrk above him. Not wasting any more time on you if you're just going to ignore the manga in favor of which character you like more.
Either way, pressurring Aizen and damaging him is countless time greater than anything Grimmjow can dream of doing.
You're a biased dumbass, every single fucking statement in the manga puts Starrk as far above Ulquiorra, even Ulquiorra himself puts Starrk above him. Not wasting any more time on you if you're just going to ignore the manga in favor of which character you like more.
For that matter wounded one armed grimmjow was still able to hold his own against vizard masked shinji. A healthy resurrection grimmjow should at least be on par with a vizard captain not taking bankai into account and bankai ichigo witth hollow mask was more or less comparable to ressurection grimmjow.
Even R1 ulquiorra has better feats than starrk when it comes to attack speed and AP.