General & Others Sanji getting conquerers haki and jinbe not having it is
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Yeah, I've been a Zoro fan since I started reading OP, but I've long since detached from the manga and its outcomes.
Without Agenda Piece, it's pretty clear to me that Oda does not view or treat Zoro the way that some (or most) Zoro fans would like to believe -- and I don't even think this is anything new, although it has definitely gotten worse in the last couple of years.
Anyway, I don't think being a Zoro fan really has anything to do with Jimbei vs. Sanji (or at least, it shouldn't). Of course, you guys are free to believe what you wish, but this all just seems to me like a way to continue to hold onto the idea that Sanji is nowhere close to Zoro in power
Without Agenda Piece, it's pretty clear to me that Oda does not view or treat Zoro the way that some (or most) Zoro fans would like to believe -- and I don't even think this is anything new, although it has definitely gotten worse in the last couple of years.
Anyway, I don't think being a Zoro fan really has anything to do with Jimbei vs. Sanji (or at least, it shouldn't). Of course, you guys are free to believe what you wish, but this all just seems to me like a way to continue to hold onto the idea that Sanji is nowhere close to Zoro in power
If sanji can get it this late, coc anyone can, wouldn't surprise me if Jinbei unlocked it as well. Jinbei can definitely have his time there is still plenty that jinbei can tie into, shirahoshi is going to be very prevalent moving forward.
When Jinbei called Big Mom a mere Yonko he essentially put Luffy above everyone, Whitebeard, Kaido etc. So he clearly believes he's under someone who is going to surpass them all, just like we see sanji now who feels a need to become a king in order to help Luffy, Jinbei hasn't been under anyone like Luffy, so that can explain why Jinbei would unlock it so late, is that he needed to serve under joyboy for it to bring it out of him.
It's not like this is going to be the last time they interact with Imu's underlings, if Jinbei does have to fight one, the only logical thing that can happen is he awakens coc.
When Jinbei called Big Mom a mere Yonko he essentially put Luffy above everyone, Whitebeard, Kaido etc. So he clearly believes he's under someone who is going to surpass them all, just like we see sanji now who feels a need to become a king in order to help Luffy, Jinbei hasn't been under anyone like Luffy, so that can explain why Jinbei would unlock it so late, is that he needed to serve under joyboy for it to bring it out of him.
It's not like this is going to be the last time they interact with Imu's underlings, if Jinbei does have to fight one, the only logical thing that can happen is he awakens coc.
I was Jimbei fan until Wano and then get disappointed with how he is treated ever since he joined the crew. I still like him and hope that Oda will give him justice.
But as much as I like him, I prefer for him not to get Coc. I kinda like the idea of him being able to beat the HK with only Fishman karate. Maybe the water manipulation might stop UK's regen or something. But anything is possible. He is someone who can't be taken down easily even by the likes of BM and Akainu after all.
But as much as I like him, I prefer for him not to get Coc. I kinda like the idea of him being able to beat the HK with only Fishman karate. Maybe the water manipulation might stop UK's regen or something. But anything is possible. He is someone who can't be taken down easily even by the likes of BM and Akainu after all.
Sanji was always destined to be above jinbe. Sanji will always be the number 3 and even in wano when jinbe joined sanji by the end of the arc was clearly over him. Jinbe is strong enough to give sanji a high diff fight currently but sanji is meant to fight the top of the verse later on. Sanji is going to fight admirals and gorosei so him having coc makes a ton of sense. Jinbe is probably going to be grouped with franky brook and Robin at some point. That goes triple if oda has someone insanely strong like Yamato or loki actually join the crew.
Jinbe being less important after he joined the crew is just an inevitability, just like what happened with Robin and Franky who were portrayed as stronger and more important before they joined the crew. People may not like that, but it is what it is, take your complaints with Loda. As someone who likes jinbe, I've just come to accept and learn to live with that.
At this point in the story I don't care if Sanji gets coc, so long as its written well and in a satisfying way, which after wci, I don't have much confidence in Oda anymore.
As a tangent, the fact that people still can't agree on just how one gets or qualifies in getting CoC just goes to show how badly Oda bungled the CoC concept as a whole.
Zoro skipped unlocking CoC was using ACoC in Wano against Kaido and King before he knew he even had it, while in elbaph Sanji literally needs to be told/spoonfed by Gaban what he needs to become/do to even get it.
I feel like people would have less of an issue of Sanji getting CoC in elbaph if Oda actually told us what are the actual requirements in getting CoC, while also giving Sanji some actual character development, and not just always reacting to more powerful opponents/people with powers he wants but doesn't understand himself, like CoC. I consider that a failure in character writing on Oda's part. The self discovery of one's own potential is pretty poorly done imo. Granted Luffy getting future sight and zoro getting CoC in Wano were kinda wishy washy too, but at least katakuri told Luffy that one needs to be calm to use CoO to its full potential. But with Zoro getting CoC in Wano and Sanji potentially getting it now in Elbaph it just feels to me like Oda is more wishy washy and lazy than ever before, to the point where I feel like if Oda dosent give Sanji some good character development, self discovery or explanation of how one actually gets CoC and it's requirements in getting it this arc, then it will almost feel like Sanji getting CoC this arc would feel almost like nothing more than a consolation prize of always getting something third after Luffy and Zoro already got it.
At this point in the story I don't care if Sanji gets coc, so long as its written well and in a satisfying way, which after wci, I don't have much confidence in Oda anymore.
As a tangent, the fact that people still can't agree on just how one gets or qualifies in getting CoC just goes to show how badly Oda bungled the CoC concept as a whole.
Zoro skipped unlocking CoC was using ACoC in Wano against Kaido and King before he knew he even had it, while in elbaph Sanji literally needs to be told/spoonfed by Gaban what he needs to become/do to even get it.
I feel like people would have less of an issue of Sanji getting CoC in elbaph if Oda actually told us what are the actual requirements in getting CoC, while also giving Sanji some actual character development, and not just always reacting to more powerful opponents/people with powers he wants but doesn't understand himself, like CoC. I consider that a failure in character writing on Oda's part. The self discovery of one's own potential is pretty poorly done imo. Granted Luffy getting future sight and zoro getting CoC in Wano were kinda wishy washy too, but at least katakuri told Luffy that one needs to be calm to use CoO to its full potential. But with Zoro getting CoC in Wano and Sanji potentially getting it now in Elbaph it just feels to me like Oda is more wishy washy and lazy than ever before, to the point where I feel like if Oda dosent give Sanji some good character development, self discovery or explanation of how one actually gets CoC and it's requirements in getting it this arc, then it will almost feel like Sanji getting CoC this arc would feel almost like nothing more than a consolation prize of always getting something third after Luffy and Zoro already got it.
