Character Discussion why did Oda let Zoro face Sommers and Sanji face Killingham while the opposite makes a lot more sense?

[Cruxroux]

Funnily enough even Sanji fans wanted sommers vs Sanji.
Now they try to clown us saying we said something else we are the retards.

Lmao, all of us are.
It barely happens Zoro gets the 'Clown' part of the opponent team. It's been always like that.

- Mr1 vs Bon clay
- Kaku vs Jabra
- Ryuma vs Abasalom
- King vs queen

Initial Killin didn't felt goofy, now he does.

 

[Afroking]

The reason is because the right hand of the previous Pirate King faced Sommers and Oda likes to repeat stuff.

 

[Killerj]

Damn cucks

 

[humanbeing2022]

I think it is about to give the sanji harder time Sanji has speed and fire theoretically he Sommer should be easier to defeat but he needs to awaken his CoC Haki only Killingham can help him since he created Zaza attacks children and females .. just plot. If it was against Sommer he will just burn his DF attacks and rescue the children

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

Does it matter? Both are bozos

 

[Notwhy56]

Funnily enough even Sanji fans wanted sommers vs Sanji.
Now they try to clown us saying we said something else we are the retards.

Lmao, all of us are.
It barely happens Zoro gets the 'Clown' part of the opponent team. It's been always like that.

- Mr1 vs Bon clay
- Kaku vs Jabra
- Ryuma vs Abasalom
- King vs queen

Initial Killin didn't felt goofy, now he does.

A lot of sanji fans are actually still very disappointed he didn't fight sommers. Sommers basically took a poop on soras and zeffs sacrifices for sanji earlier in this arc and has a power that can be very tricky for sanji to over come. But the idea of current sanji facing the embodiment of someone who is his complete opposite and preaches his opposite themes is just better than zoro vs sommers. Which even now that its started ppl cant see the vision behind. Sanji would have greatly benefited from facing sommers because his insecurities on love causing sacrifice from his mom and zeff would be confronted making him realize he cant just be a product of love but a preacher and awaken conquers haki. Its very understandable why some sanji fans feel robbed

 

[Sir Yasheen]

A lot of sanji fans are actually still very disappointed he didn't fight sommers. Sommers basically took a poop on soras and zeffs sacrifices for sanji earlier in this arc and has a power that can be very tricky for sanji to over come. But the idea of current sanji facing the embodiment of someone who is his complete opposite and preaches his opposite themes is just better than zoro vs sommers. Which even now that its started ppl cant see the vision behind. Sanji would have greatly benefited from facing sommers because his insecurities on love causing sacrifice from his mom and zeff would be confronted making him realize he cant just be a product of love but a preacher and awaken conquers haki. Its very understandable why some sanji fans feel robbed

Sanji already showed that Sommers’ powers would be completely ineffective against him in a legit fight

 

[Notwhy56]

Sanji already showed that Sommers’ powers would be completely ineffective against him in a legit fight

Omen can amp devil fruits up. Itd actually make alot of sense jimbei said i guess there good against heat. Clearly oda symbolically implying sanjis flames of passion are a good match against sommers thorns of cruelty. But with omen sommers thorns would become even more powerful forcing sanji to apply acoc on his flames making them more powerful symbolising his development he'd gain from the fight and increasing his power of love

 

[thedarkdragon11]

It's just a CoC demo... Doesn't matter who they fight... Matchups for everyone haven't been consistent since NW in order to demo "new" skills...

 

[BattalGazi]

Because appearance of the Quilin is a sign of a virtuous Kings birth so Killingham is needed to Sanji CoC awakening.

 

[NotTommy]

I think it's cool, maybe intentional. Lets us see Zoro, rather than Sanji, against a very expressive opponent who's still strong. Killingham though could've gone to either.

As for other reasons, Gaban already faced Sommers so perhaps Oda wanted more than just Sanji and his parallel facing the same guy. With Killingham, he arrived with a goofy full zoan form and trident, he didn't really scream Zoro opponent in my opinion so Sanji v him doesn't seem like much of a stretch even if his regular form is more serious.

As far as fighting styles go, I feel like what we got works better. Sommers was introduced with a sword and after that got destroyed he uses his thorn club as his weapon. We saw Gaban with his axes against Sommers, we'll see how Zoro does against a stronger Sommers' thorns. Sanji and Killingham both fly and can fight in the skies so that also fits.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Who cares Holy knights are 3 chapter fodders

 

[zzShinichi]

TBH I did think Sommers was gonna face Zoro before he turns out to be a bitch.
He seems to give more authorities and focuses than Bellingham.
People didn't want Sommers because he got clowned so much lol

 

[The White Crane]

Oda usually alternates silly and serious opponents for the two.
Hachi - Goofy
Kuroobi - Serious

Mr. 1 - Serious
Mr. 2 - Goofy

Kaku - Goofy
Jabra - Serious

Ryuma - Serious
Absalom - Goofy

So after King and Queen, oda is giving Zoro the goofy one and Sanji the serious one.

This. I was actually surprised to see you're the first to notice there is nothing new with Zoro vs Sommers or Cook vs Qlingham. Lolda can't subvert expectations anymore. He is an old dog, he ain't got new tricks.

 

[Notwhy56]

Z

I think it's cool, maybe intentional. Lets us see Zoro, rather than Sanji, against a very expressive opponent who's still strong. Killingham though could've gone to either.

As for other reasons, Gaban already faced Sommers so perhaps Oda wanted more than just Sanji and his parallel facing the same guy. With Killingham, he arrived with a goofy full zoan form and trident, he didn't really scream Zoro opponent in my opinion so Sanji v him doesn't seem like much of a stretch even if his regular form is more serious.

As far as fighting styles go, I feel like what we got works better. Sommers was introduced with a sword and after that got destroyed he uses his thorn club as his weapon. We saw Gaban with his axes against Sommers, we'll see how Zoro does against a stronger Sommers' thorns. Sanji and Killingham both fly and can fight in the skies so that also fits.

Sorta but Rayleigh did too.... idk there's a lot sanji can have facing sommers thats very beneficial to his character. Idk why oda would avoid it. In some ways it feels almost necessary for him to defend soras sacrifice and zeffs leg sacrifice as the declarations of love (that caused them pain) they made to him. It justifies and defends his existence against someonw who denies the love that came from it and lets him develop into a preacher of love rather than remaining just a product. I don't see how the killingham can surpass. It feels sanji fans where robbed in some ways

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Who cares Holy knights are 3 chapter fodders

This. I was actually surprised to see you're the first to notice there is nothing new with Zoro vs Sommers or Cook vs Qlingham. Lolda can't subvert expectations anymore. He is an old dog, he ain't got new tricks.

he’s a very old droopy dog

 

[NotTommy]

Z

Sorta but Rayleigh did too.... idk there's a lot sanji can have facing sommers thats very beneficial to his character. Idk why oda would avoid it. In some ways it feels almost necessary for him to defend soras sacrifice and zeffs leg sacrifice as the declarations of love (that caused them pain) they made to him. It justifies and defends his existence against someonw who denies the love that came from it and lets him develop into a preacher of love rather than remaining just a product. I don't see how the killingham can surpass. It feels sanji fans where robbed in some ways

I can see how Sommers could have worked given them both having themes of passion in their beliefs and linked to their powers. I agree with you in a lot of ways, I do think Oda could've done a lot with the Sommers fight and explored it in an interesting way but I'll wait and see what he does with the Killingham one as well.

 

[BillSlipton]

A guy with hearts on his underwear was clearly intended as Sanji's matchup so the fact that he ended up facing Zoro means that these fights are completely optional, for Zoro at least, and there is no thought behind them.
The same as Lucci fight was in Egghead, just to give Zoro to do something while other things conclude, even tho he was doing literally nothing, mainly talking with Lucci.
It means Zoro could have skipped Elbaf if all he ends up doing is fighting Sommers, he wasnt necessary for anything. Expected, no risk no reward scenario, just like Egghead.

No retard. Its just like every single other time weve seen this.

Kaku and jabra

Mr1 and mr2

Dory and Brogy

King and queen

Its the same setup as always and you tards always try and insert your own retardation inspired headcanon.

Nikita. Nikita san. Come back to us. We need you in the right state of mind. No brain fever for Nikita san.

 

[pg13]

Funnily enough even Sanji fans wanted sommers vs Sanji.
Now they try to clown us saying we said something else we are the retards.

Lmao, all of us are.
It barely happens Zoro gets the 'Clown' part of the opponent team. It's been always like that.

- Mr1 vs Bon clay
- Kaku vs Jabra
- Ryuma vs Abasalom
- King vs queen

Initial Killin didn't felt goofy, now he does.

Tbh I don’t think it’s that Clear who the goofy one is between Sommers and Killingham. Sommers just Aura Farmed tf out of Killingham in the recent Anime episode.

 

[Notwhy56]

I can see how Sommers could have worked given them both having themes of passion in their beliefs and linked to their powers. I agree with you in a lot of ways, I do think Oda could've done a lot with the Sommers fight and explored it in an interesting way but I'll wait and see what he does with the Killingham one as well.

Yeah for sure. Im sure we'll be eating well no matter what. That's one of the most fun things about one piece to me looking at a "what if scenario"

Who knows maybe oda will give us a matchup swap? I wouldn't be opposed to it