The oikophobia runs deep in many a white man.

Or maybe he just hates himself and projects it onto all white people?

White guilt is so tiring man.
Why do you keep saying that I hate white people?

Yes, I know that not every single person is bad. I know that not everyone breaks the law. I'm saying that we can't uphold a peaceful, united society because there'll still be a large amount of people who simply don't care to help said peaceful united society stay that way.
I'm sorry, i dont have a keyboard so maybe im confusing, but you still havent answered my question. I dont want to just give it like that, this is important to understand anarchism (and commuism) >>
Outside of not being assholes, why do the rest of the people maintain a set of rules outside even of the watch of the system in the case of circulation?
he says that everyone has bigotry ingrained in them, but he tends to go too far with it
Just to be sure, do you think that I believe that people are born racist or sexist or xxx?

Meanwhile, if Logiko is to be believed, I'm one bad day away from trying to enslave all my neighbours because they're a different skin tone from me
When a person tells to a woman that she is dumb because she is a woman, do you feel like it is the same level of violence as hitting her?
 
Why do you keep saying that I hate white people?
I'm legit not the only person who thinks this way. It's loaded in how you talk. You make the whites the problem every time. It's really frustrating.

When a person tells to a woman that she is dumb because she is a woman, do you feel like it is the same level of violence as hitting her?
No, I just think that person is right. :steef:

Jokes aside. This is irrelevant. :goyea:
 
Why do you keep saying that I hate white people?


I'm sorry, i dont have a keyboard so maybe im confusing, but you still havent answered my question. I dont want to just give it like that, this is important to understand anarchism (and commuism) >>


Just to be sure, do you think that I believe that people are born racist or sexist or xxx?


When a person tells to a woman that she is dumb because she is a woman, do you feel like it is the same level of violence as hitting her?
I interpret it as you believing everyone has a varying amount of racism and misogyny (as well as other forms of bigotry) ingrained in them from societal conditioning, so no I'm not of the belief that you think it's an inherent trait.
 
I'm legit not the only person who thinks this way. It's loaded in how you talk. You make the whites the problem every time. It's really frustrating.
Evrytime ? I talk a lot about the bourgeoisie, men, ableist, adults. I think there is a miissunderstanding . It has nothing to do with "hate"; in a materialist framework all of these are class positions.

Im talking about the "class position" that is being "white", like any sociologist and materialist on whiteness studies would. I have absolutly no hate against white pple

Jokes aside. This is irrelevant.
(i would love if pepople stopped evading my question, its hard to write and i have to repeat everytime, im not trying to trick you, im triyng to let you find the answers yourselves): I m showing you here that a domination can have different level of violence and therefore not be denounced the same way. Im transphobe when I missgender a trans person, but as long as I correct myself and say "sorry" the person should not take it too bad. On the other hand , when a person say "f trans people", it doesn't have the same weight.

But both come from patriarchy and cisnormativity and both are the represantation of a transphobic system. Do you see my perspective here ?

I interpret it as you believing everyone has a varying amount of racism and misogyny (as well as other forms of bigotry) ingrained in them from societal conditioning, so no I'm not of the belief that you think it's an inherent trait.
Exactly. This what I believe. But do you understand why Im saying that these oppressive mindset can't be completly stripped from our psyche at the moment, even if we try ?
 
Evrytime ? I talk a lot about the bourgeoisie, men, ableist, adults. I think there is a miissunderstanding . It has nothing to do with "hate"; in a materialist framework all of these are class positions.

Im talking about the "class position" that is being "white", like any sociologist and materialist on whiteness studies would. I have absolutly no hate against white pple


(i would love if pepople stopped evading my question, its hard to write and i have to repeat everytime, im not trying to trick you, im triyng to let you find the answers yourselves): I m showing you here that a domination can have different level of violence and therefore not be denounced the same way. Im transphobe when I missgender a trans person, but as long as I correct myself and say "sorry" the person should not take it too bad. On the other hand , when a person say "f trans people", it doesn't have the same weight.

But both come from patriarchy and cisnormativity and both are the represantation of a transphobic system. Do you see my perspective here ?


Exactly. This what I believe. But do you understand why Im saying that these oppressive mindset can't be completly stripped from our psyche at the moment, even if we try ?
It can. It just takes a lot of effort, because it's ingrained in almost everything we see, say, or think. And it’s pushed on us more than we think.
For example, news outlets that make headlines like this:
 
It can. It just takes a lot of effort, because it's ingrained in almost everything we see, say, or think. And it’s pushed on us more than we think.
For example, news outlets that make headlines like this:
Completely, but this is a case of "strong" racism. What Im talking about are less strong behaviors, mindset that are almost imperciptible. But there is a reason why we believe that it is impossible to get rid of racist bias even if a personn is "deconstructed" under w. supremacy:

The "white" class position. Ok, Here, I'll ask you all your attention, because this is not an easy logic to understand. Took me a long time even tho I knew about it. I'll keep it short

As materialist, we believe that social classes can expand to more socio-domains than simply the economical one. For us, being white, is not a priviledge, it's a class position with material intersts. Just like the bourgeoisie is a class position with material interests (their capitals).

Before going further, do you follow/understand me here ?
 
Completely, but this is a case of "strong" racism. What Im talking about are less strong behaviors, mindset that are almost imperciptible. But there is a reason why, we believe that it is impossible to get rid of racist bias even if a personn is "deconstructed":

The "white" class position. Ok, Here, I'll ask you all your attention, because this is not an easy logic to understand. Took me a long time even tho I knew about it. I'll keep it short

As materialist, we believe that social classes can expand to more socio-domains than simply the economical one. For us, being white, is not a priviledge, it's a class position with material intersts. Just like the bourgeoisie is a class position.

Before going further, do you follow/understand me here ?
Sure, but that doesn't mean they can't get rid of their biases though.
 
Under a materialist framework, we consider that by definition, a person in a position of class domination CAN'T delete their fundamental need to keep their position of class, because giving up material interest of class would declass them and render them exposed to superior forms of class domination.

This is the fundation of dialectical materialism.

Under capitalism, the systems always requires more production and exploitation of value, therefore we consider that stagnation for the bourgeoisie equates to the proletarization of that bourgeoisie. This is why a business that does not create profit is considered dead or dying. And this is why rich people always want to be richer.
 
This idea of class creates the idea of class intersts for dominating classes. Fundamental material needs that pushes a person to stay on their class. And the tricky thing is that it can be applied for ALL domination systems.

A man will have a form of class intersts over women to keep their position. And because patriarchy englobes men too, men will have an interst in staying on the superior ladder of what we call "masculinities". A femenized men will therefore face a declassingprocess, often reprensated by bullies under the terms : "he is not a real man"

And what applies for patriarchy, applies to white supremacy. Researchers have documented the presence of what we now call "whiteness" (that i tied to explain multiple time). Whiteness is a form of class consciousness. Instead of knowing that im in a lower economical class, i know that im in a dominant class regarding whiteness, i know the system will give me benefits it won't give to black people. So I have a material interest to keep these priviledges of white supremacy, even if I want them gone. Because the moment I'll be considered as non white by white people, I will face a logical declassing process (that we call a racialization in the case of racism & w. supremacy) and I'll loses these advantages a face the consequenes of this domination.

The tricky thing in this case : it's not possible to go down or up the class ladder of white supremacy* after a personnal choice. This is why whiteness is a TRAP for racialized people. (considering that you must be examplary for example)

*The only exceptions resulting of "choices" being conversion to judaism or islam. As in the west, these believers are considered "non-white" and are therefore racialized. People who are white and convert to islam, will often be shocked by the islamophobia directed at them. The reason is simple: racialization = declassing process on the racial scale of white supremacy

So as materialist, we consider that the reason why it is impossible to be racist against white people is because they are always on top of the ladder of benefits under white supremacy. And w. supre. is a world wide system . So saying that a black man in the world can be racist against a white person is similar to saying that a working class worker can have the same power of harm as a billionnaire. The systems renders this configuration impossible.

Now the interesting thing is that it is also possible for a white person to be hit by white supremacy and face a declassing process, like it is possible for a man to be feminized or a sane person to be psychiatrized or an adult to be infantilized (specially women).

An example of NON-intentional declassing/racialization process are the irish back in the day of their immigration. The irish because of their oppression, ended up being racialized and treated as non-white.

But as you can see- the moment you face racism, it means that you are RACIALIZED by white supremacy and society an declassed from your position of being "white"

This is why you can't stay white and face racism, just like you can't stay rich while facing a proletarization.
 
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From your perspective perhaps, but from a materialist one, I made a legit amazing job of synthetization, I'll post it again also.

I just synthetize in two messages what I learned in two years, perhaps it will requiere a little bit more simplification
Would you get mad if I said you're one of the most pretentious people I've ever met?
I'm not trying to insult you, just being honest.
 
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